Eye Problems

[Guest guest]

<<SO...I think, because of the water drop in our eyes (do our eyes not water in

bright light? this is part of this phenomenon of seeing the spirochetes

(floaters " " " )..>>>

I believe the floaters that you see are actually scar tissue from old infections

in the jelly part of your eye.........

Connieknwnj

[Guest guest]

> <<SO...I think, because of the water drop in our eyes (do our eyes not

water in bright light? this is part of this phenomenon of seeing the

spirochetes (floaters " " " )..>>>

>

> I believe the floaters that you see are actually scar tissue from old

infections in the jelly part of your eye.........

The Lyme Spirochete is very tiny, extremely tiny, you need a powerful

Magnascope to see them. It would take about 1500 end to end to cover an

inch and some 10,000 side by side to cover an inch as well.

[Guest guest]

I heard the floaters were tiny blood vessels that run through the liquid gel in

your eyeball. When they are dilated, you can see them by looking at a light

source. The dilation may be caused by the onset of a Lyme attack, which

accompanies other reactions of the nervous system (Dilation and constriction of

blood vessels all being part of the nervous system response to something). I've

noticed when the floaters show up, a headache usually follows, and it's preceded

by swollen fingers, gout like and arthritic like reactions in the joints of my

extremities. I take an aspirin, and it goes away, as do the floaters. Not sure

why. At one point, the headache lead me to believe it might have been a

bloodclot loose in my circulatory system, due to my sedentary lifestyle ( I

mean, how much can one accomplish in a day, if the next day you pay for it

dearly? I helped unscrew a bolt under the sink one day and the next day, I

couldn't use my fingers because they were all protesting the fact they had to do

some work).

The Lyme Spirochete is very tiny, extremely tiny, you need a powerful

Magnascope to see them. It would take about 1500 end to end to cover an

inch and some 10,000 side by side to cover an inch as well.

[Guest guest]

I used something like that, came with the eye cup. I think it was called

collirium .

hth,

Carol

[ ] please help with eye problem.

>>>

>>> My son is 11 and i am currently chelating with td-dmps. Things

> are

>>> going well in that department so far. However, even before I

> began

>>> chelating sam he started to put spit on his hand and rub it in

> his

>>> eye. it is getting worse and worse. I have tried artifical

> tears,

>>> allergy eye stuff homopathic tablets for allergy but nothing

> works to

>>> stop this. some days he does it for so long I think he might be

>>> damging his eyes. he even squeazes toothp[aste out or pump soap

> and

>>> puts it in his eye then things get so much worse. I am so

> worried

>>> about him and don't know what to do. His eye dr. only

> recommended

>>> trying different eye drops. He can't communicate either.

>>> He does it a lot in the am so I am thinking it must be allergy

>>> related? he started doing this long before we started

> chelation. I

>>> would say in march he began this. I have him on CLO, multi,

> cultrelle,

>>> other probotics, candex, houston enzymes, transfer factor,

> calcium, vit

>>> c. I hope somone has an idea. thank

>>>

>>>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

- you really should see an opthalmologist about your eyes.

I know what you mean about being sick of docs, though. In 2005, I

only saw 1 doctor, only 1 time, and that was for my annual

physical. Now I've developed PA and I've been to various doctors 8

times so far in 2006! Seems kind of ridiculous, doesn't it?

sherry z

>

> Hey everyone! I am hoping someone else can help me out here. I

have

> had Psa for several years, have been on Enbrel for 6 weeks. I also

> have PUVA treatments on my hands twice a week. Anyway, my eyes are

> bugging me. They have always been dry since I started the PUVA.

I am

> sure that is caused by the Oxsolalen tablets. But now my left eye

> feels like I am looking through a dirty lens, sometimes it has

like a

> fog over it, but always looks " dirty " . I have had a small amount

of

> drainage dried around my eyes in the morning for quite some

time. I

> thought I read something about irisitis caused by either the PSA or

> the Enbrel, but I'll be damned if I can find where I read that. I

am

> hoping that it is not a side effect of the Enbrel, because I think

> that is starting to make a major difference in my pain. (Or at

least

> I am trying to convince myself of that!)

>

> Has anyone else had any eye symptoms from the PSA?? I am

wondering if

> Visine might " clean up the windows " or if I need to see an eye doc

for

> A rx. I am SICK of docs and don't want to see another one if I can

> help it! Thanks for any info anyone has!

>

[Guest guest]

Hey...I'm hoping to learn from your questions as well on this one. I

had horrific eye infections 24 years ago and doctor after doctor

could do nothing to clear it up. One doctor told my Mom that I'd

probably loose my left eye. It has lattice degeneration now which is

a thinning of the retina wall that has a 2% chance of snapping in

most patients. If it does, my eye doc said to go to the emergency

room and I'd go in for surgery to fix it. I'll know if the retina

snaps because I will be blind in that eye. Back when I had these

infections, my eyes were crusted together each morning. I could not

pry them apart without hurting myself so I kept a bowl of water by

the bed and a rag and had to soak my eyes to get them open before I

got out of bed. There were no whites to my eyes...only red. It

looked like my eyes were bleeding. I wore dark glasses most of the

time. I could only drive a car if it was raining in the daytime.

Night driving was out of the question rain or not...the oncoming

headlights blinded me. The sun blinded me during the day. I can't

beleive I endured this for 2 years. Lately my eyes have been a

little goopy in the mornings and it's not pink eye so I wonder if

it's a PA thing. I don't know much about the eye involvement

associated with the disease. I'm getting my eyes examined on Tuesday

so I'll be asking questions then. Visine for allergies is clearing

mine up and I'm taking some Alavert for allergies just in case it's

the famous Hudson Valley allergies but I'd still like to know more. -

Betz

>

> Hey everyone! I am hoping someone else can help me out here. I

have

> had Psa for several years, have been on Enbrel for 6 weeks. I also

> have PUVA treatments on my hands twice a week. Anyway, my eyes are

> bugging me. They have always been dry since I started the PUVA.

I am

> sure that is caused by the Oxsolalen tablets. But now my left eye

> feels like I am looking through a dirty lens, sometimes it has

like a

> fog over it, but always looks " dirty " . I have had a small amount

of

> drainage dried around my eyes in the morning for quite some

time. I

> thought I read something about irisitis caused by either the PSA or

> the Enbrel, but I'll be damned if I can find where I read that. I

am

> hoping that it is not a side effect of the Enbrel, because I think

> that is starting to make a major difference in my pain. (Or at

least

> I am trying to convince myself of that!)

>

> Has anyone else had any eye symptoms from the PSA?? I am

wondering if

> Visine might " clean up the windows " or if I need to see an eye doc

for

> A rx. I am SICK of docs and don't want to see another one if I can

> help it! Thanks for any info anyone has!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi my sister told her therapist about my condition and

she did some research on it and it can cause eye

problems also blindness. Go have your eyes checked by

a doc as soon as possible. I know my eyes are not what

they used to be,and I have bifocals now. Go get them

checked! Shron

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[Guest guest]

I did go to the eye doctor and he recommended Refresh or some other

eye lubricant. Don't do the visine--it will just increase the

problem. All you need is more saline solution--not medicine. I

still have the crusty eyes in the morning. Not sure what would help

with that.

Ks Di

>

> Hey everyone! I am hoping someone else can help me out here. I

have

> had Psa for several years, have been on Enbrel for 6 weeks. I also

> have PUVA treatments on my hands twice a week. Anyway, my eyes are

> bugging me. They have always been dry since I started the PUVA.

I am

> sure that is caused by the Oxsolalen tablets. But now my left eye

> feels like I am looking through a dirty lens, sometimes it has

like a

> fog over it, but always looks " dirty " . I have had a small amount

of

> drainage dried around my eyes in the morning for quite some

time. I

> thought I read something about irisitis caused by either the PSA or

> the Enbrel, but I'll be damned if I can find where I read that. I

am

> hoping that it is not a side effect of the Enbrel, because I think

> that is starting to make a major difference in my pain. (Or at

least

> I am trying to convince myself of that!)

>

> Has anyone else had any eye symptoms from the PSA?? I am

wondering if

> Visine might " clean up the windows " or if I need to see an eye doc

for

> A rx. I am SICK of docs and don't want to see another one if I can

> help it! Thanks for any info anyone has!

>

[Guest guest]

, the best thing to do is to see an

ophthalmologist. I know you don't want to see any more

docs, but it could be one of several things. It could

just be allergies, OR it could be the uveitis

associated with PA and other rheumatic conditions

which usually requires steroids to clear up, OR

another common thing with rheumatoid conditions like

PA is to have SECONDARY Sjogrens. That is what I have,

and unless I am faithful about taking my moisturizing

Systane eye drops at LEAST twice a day, my eyes get

all dry, red, itchy (feels like there's sand in them),

sometimes draining goo (cloudy white stuff) and get

all blurry to the point where I can't read or see the

TV/computer screens well, and when I drive, things

like oncoming car lights and street lights have glowy

halos around them. I see the ophthalmologist twice a

year for this. I also have the lattice degeneration

someone else mentioned they have; as a general rule,

people who are severely nearsighted tend to have more

problems with their retinas than those who are not,

according to my ophthalmologist.

Take care! Wanda

Wanda

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[Guest guest]

I have been having the blurry vision and foggy vision it comes and goes and when

I wake up in the morning my eyes are crusty sometimes a lot worse than others.

I just had my eyes examined and they didnt tell me they saw anything.

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[Guest guest]

sounds a little like a retinal vein occlusion, especially the dirty glass- i got

one that has mostly gone away but the edema in the retina takes a long time to

dissipate- about a year but the rest of my vision has come back

can be brought on by tension, high blood pressure, diabetes etc.

they mostly go away but you do need to see the opthamologist or a retinal

specialist.

greg

[ ] Eye Problems

Hi there, I know that someone on here has had eye problems associated

with PA, but I can not remember what their symptoms were. I have

something going on in my eye and am scared to death. My GP looked in

them and said that he could see something going on in it and also

thought he saw cataracts on both of them. He referred me to an

opthalmologist but I don't see him for several weeks yet. I don't

have the classic halo's around lights at night and even though he

thought he saw cataracts in both eyes it is only my right eye that I

can hardly see out of at times. It is like looking through dirty

glass. SOmetimes it looks cloudy, other times not. When I was having

PUVA treatments the Oxasolan made my eyes dry, but I was very careful

to wear the protective eyeglasses after treatments. I am no longer

having the PUVA treatments. I have been on Enbrel for about 4 months

with great relief to my joint pain. My psoriasis on m,y hands looks

pretty good, although not completely gone. I am also on MTX and seem

to be exhausted all the time. I hate that part of this damn disease

as I was always overly energetic and now I am fat and lazy. I have

gained a ton of weight due to Prednisone tx's that I was on before I

got a correct diagnosis. And as everyone knows, the weight goes on a

lot faster than it comes off. This depresses me too as I never had a

weight problem before. So now, not only do my joints hurt and I can

hardly walk, my hands sometimes look like raw meat, I am exhausted

most of the time, I can hardly see out of my right eye, I am a big cow

besides!!! Ahhhhhhhh, life is good!!

Ok, that made me feel better to vent!

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi there, I know that someone on here has had eye problems associated

> with PA,

Betz wrote : It's me Courtneey. I'm the one with the messed up eyes.

Seeing the opthalmologist weekly now. I have Iritis. I'd tell you all

about it but I'm sick from the medicine I'm taking to keep from going

blind and I need to hit the couch for a bit. You can do a search on

Iritis and you'll find alot. That is the eye condition related to PA or

RA but it does not sound like what you have to me. Iritis is very

painful...like you've been socked in the eyes. Hope it gets better for

ya...-Betz

[Guest guest]

One day of ala is really not much if dosed by weight...

It would seem unlikely to cause all of this, but you never know. How

is yeast? It makes kids do weird things...

Eye poking and wandering..he needs to see an behavioral

optometrist...He may have convergence problems or something going on,

which is very typical in mercury. It would make sight a bit tricky for

him and sometimes kids do things like this in order to attempt to gain

focus on an object.

It sounds good to go back to dmsa for a while if he were doing well on

that.

If ACE is making him hyper, he may not need it. He may be one of the

few people who have too high adrenaline rather than low cortisol.

I would stop using this for a bit, see if you can calm things down

with the skin redness, biting, and asthma...

>

> New problems!

>

> The weekend before last we tried chelating with the ALA and could

> only do it one day because it caused my son's asthma to act up. I

> haven't chelated any since then. I will probably go back to the DMSA

> next time.

>

> Of course lately we've had problems with the ACE causing hyperness. I

> added Taurine to the ACE Sunday and it worked for a little while then

> the hyperness kicked in again. Monday and today I didn't give him any

> ACE. I was hoping the hyperness would stop. It helped a little but

> still hyper.

>

> After the ALA and of course I've been playing around with his ACE

> dose he started poking at his left eye. He pokes it and stares but it

> kind of wanders a little too. I first started noticing the eye poking

> last week and a few times I thought I was seeing the eye wander but I

> thought maybe MY eyes were playing tricks.

>

> At this same time too. He's had more problems with his hands and

> feet. They still have the usual redness to them. He acts like they

> bother him more now and he's biting his hands and arms. He never

> bites his feet but he had one in his mouth earlier and was biting his

> toes. First he was poking his eye and then he started biting his toes.

>

> I'm thinking maybe we stirred up the metals with only one day of

> chelation and seeing problems. Can anyone give any input on this?

> Thanks!!

>

> Amy

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jada!

His yeast is always crazy! Sunday I added probiotics to his list. So

know he gets 15-20mg's of biotin, probiotics at night, coconut oil,

candida clear, candidase, No-Fenol and OoO. We can't use GSE cause of

his seizure meds. When he gets too yeasty he'll have a seizure. I was

watching him just now, while he was playing and he stopped playing,

started to stare and made a weird noise and then went back to

playing. He didn't poke his eye but I'm wondering if it might be a

seizure. His yeast related seizures usually involve lots of drooling

and these he's not drooling.

He's always had the red hands and feet (I have a pic of them in the

photos under Colby). They've been that way since he was 1. They have

been getting worse and they're starting to worry me more. I'm

thinking from the way he holds them, they might be numb feeling and

now it's going up his arm. 3 years ago his ped. checked his thyroid

and they said it was good. I need to request a copy of that!! He does

have alot of the signs under low adrenals thats why I'm kinda

confused. His OCD and anxiety problems are some of the other reasons

I chose the ACE. His asthma is getting better now but he's not over

it completely.

Thanks!

> >

> > New problems!

> >

> > The weekend before last we tried chelating with the ALA and could

> > only do it one day because it caused my son's asthma to act up. I

> > haven't chelated any since then. I will probably go back to the

DMSA

> > next time.

> >

> > Of course lately we've had problems with the ACE causing

hyperness. I

> > added Taurine to the ACE Sunday and it worked for a little while

then

> > the hyperness kicked in again. Monday and today I didn't give him

any

> > ACE. I was hoping the hyperness would stop. It helped a little

but

> > still hyper.

> >

> > After the ALA and of course I've been playing around with his ACE

> > dose he started poking at his left eye. He pokes it and stares

but it

> > kind of wanders a little too. I first started noticing the eye

poking

> > last week and a few times I thought I was seeing the eye wander

but I

> > thought maybe MY eyes were playing tricks.

> >

> > At this same time too. He's had more problems with his hands and

> > feet. They still have the usual redness to them. He acts like

they

> > bother him more now and he's biting his hands and arms. He never

> > bites his feet but he had one in his mouth earlier and was biting

his

> > toes. First he was poking his eye and then he started biting his

toes.

> >

> > I'm thinking maybe we stirred up the metals with only one day of

> > chelation and seeing problems. Can anyone give any input on this?

> > Thanks!!

> >

> > Amy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> The weekend before last we tried chelating with the ALA and could

> only do it one day because it caused my son's asthma to act up.

Yeast increases my asthma. I take a biotin capsule and the problem is

resolved.

> After the ALA and of course I've been playing around with his ACE

> dose he started poking at his left eye. He pokes it and stares but it

> kind of wanders a little too. I first started noticing the eye poking

> last week and a few times I thought I was seeing the eye wander but I

> thought maybe MY eyes were playing tricks.

Eye poking can be related to calcium deficiency.

My #4 had a wandering eye, which was resolved with ALA chelation,

anti-virals, and biotin.

Try biotin, it might help with two issues now.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Does LDN help eye problems? I have been on Ldn for 2 years and notice eye problems in my right eye

What happens if you just quit it do you have to ween yourselves off it.

Thanks

lkilcollin@...Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

>

> Do

820

es LDN help eye problems? I have been on Ldn for 2 years and notice

eye

> problems in my right eye

>

> What happens if you just quit it do you have to ween yourselves off

it.

>

> Thanks

>

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LDN is not addictive and you can stop taking it cold-turkey.

What type of eye problems are you having? Never heard of LDN causing

eye trouble. See and eye specialist, may have nothing to do with your

current illness or meds.

[Guest guest]

Has anyone in the group had problems with their eyes? This afternoon my right

eyeball is swollen and very painful. I am going to call my eye doctor tomorrow

and try to get an appointment. Any experience with this?

Angie in TN

[Guest guest]

And I concur. I have had problems with focusing, adjusting to light changes or

following rapid movement, as well a redness. The last is probably due to strain

from the rest.. I chalked it all up to Lyme as my eyesight has always been

better than average. Sigh.... Also jaundice has been a problem, which makes me

feel like I must look like an alcoholic or have hep. I was told that was due to

the elevated level of toxins the liver has to deal with due to " die off " .

Thankfully that appears to be getting better now as I slowly recover from the

disease. I only pray that I continue along this path to wellness! I have faith

in that.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel! Stay with the program and be kind to

self!! That is most important!!!

He who binds himself to a joy,

Does the winged life destroy.

But he who kisses it as it flies,

Lives in eternity’s sunrise. ~ Blake

 

[Guest guest]

Good one! I will add that to the cd!

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> [ ] Eye Problems

>

> From:When to Suspect Lyme

> D. Bleiweiss, M.D.

> April, 1994

>

>

> Web-Page: http://www.ariplex.com/lyme/lymbleie.htm

>

> Das englische Original dieser Web-Seite ist

> http://cassia.org/essay.htm Eine Übersetzung (einschließlich

> anderer Texte) ist bei http://www.lymenet.de.

> Ein Mirror dieser Seite (aber mit überarbeitetem HTML)

> isthttp://www.ariplex.com/lyme/lymbleix.htm

> 16.8.98, Aribert Deckers

>

>

> " Eye related problems in LD are commonplace and can include

> conjunctivitis, ocular myalgias, keratitis, episcleritis,

> optic neuritis, pars planitis, uveitis, iritis, transient or

> permanent blindness, temporal arteritis, vitritis and

> periorbital edema ( MS; Ibid). Horner's syndrome,

> ocular myasthenia gravis, and an Argyll-on pupil are

> also reported. Optic neuritis has been observed to become

> recurrent or intractable after treatment with steroids. Given

> the earlier remarks about the detrimental effects of steroids

> on LD, recidivous optic neuritis may be due to occult LD. "

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