Re: Breakfast food choices [was: No breakfast

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In a message dated 11/27/2002 10:03:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,

RainbowFarm@... writes:

> Barb, running out the door with nutrition bar in hand.......

I bought some advantage bars yesterday and some atkins drinks.

They also have candy bars and a lot of other stuff.

I think I can do the bar when I can't stomach the thought of meat in the AM.

Funny, it doesn't bother me anyother part of the day, probably mental, huh?

I bought a glucose meter and tested this a.m. 275....i've got to reduce the

carbs

big time.

Is anybody taking carcinia cambogia. Hydroxycitricacid? I started it this

a.m.

with some chromium and alpha lipoic. I read a book that recommended this

combo

for diabetics. I already have the burning tingling in my feet. Claims are

that this

will reduce or eliminate this problem. I get it at night. Hummm last night,

no pain

in my feet. Coincidence? I don't know, but I'll keep taking it.

I'm just having the hardest time accepting I have diabetes.

I've also starting a walking plan because everything I am reading says this

walking

quite a lot of help. Also, calcium is supposed to help muscles absorb

insulin...

I guess I am somewhat depressed about this as I had a routine physical that

didn't

go so well. I'm 56. Mamogram shows something on both breasts, repeat in 6

months. Had to have a colonoscopy with 3 polyps 2 precancerous. Borderline

osteoporosis.

Okay, I think I am over it. Yeesh, I am a buddhist, you'd think I'd

understand

impermanence. Even ugly things are impermanent. Cause and effect. What

causes I make will change the effect. I can improve these things.

Sorry for rambling on but it sure has taken me awhile to come to address

these

problems from a positive point of view.

Thanks

Dee

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With an FBG of 275 it's no wonder you're beginning to get neuropathy, Dee.

Yes, ALA is known to reduce BGs...how much are you taking? And are you taking

extended release ALA?

A worthy goal is reducing your carb intake. It's hard to break a lifetime

habit of eating carbs...seems all the Good Stuff are carbs...but weigh that

against painful peripheral neuropathy, kidney and heart disease, renal

failure, possible blindness...you get the picture...it's definitely

worthwhile to do it.

And do keep testing! It'll spur you on to greater carb reduction when you

see those Good Numbers.

Vicki

In a message dated 11/27/2002 8:32:33 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

TaiChiDee@... writes:

>

> for diabetics. I already have the burning tingling in my feet. Claims are

>

> that this

> will reduce or eliminate this problem

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I'm not much on breakfast either besides coffee with a little heavy cream

(less carbs and way yummy :-) So, I run out the door with an AdvantEDGE

" Carb Control " Nutrition Bar in hand. There are only 2 kinds of these bars

that are actually low carb - the Cookies 'n Cream and the Blueberry. The

rest of them have sneaky wording on the label (like " impact carbs " ) and way

more actual carbs. And yes they have glycerin, and are probably more than

2.5 actual grams of carb. I haven't figured it out yet, because they're

handy and since I do farm chores first thing in the morning, they don't

effect by bg's. Sometimes after all the chores are done, I'll make a

microwave scrambled egg with a little sharp cheddar cheese and salsa and

Morningstar veggie sausage patties or turkey bacon.

Barb, running out the door with nutrition bar in hand.......

> I don't like breakfast much. What do you eat for a low carb breakfast?

Eggs

> a couple of times a week? Then what? A few slices of bacon or sausage?

[Guest guest]

Oh, Dee, I'm 56 too, and I sympathize. The bummer about diabetes is

that it doesn't shield us from developing other health problems. I

hope you get the best of news regarding the polyps and your breasts.

I don't like going to doctors because I don't want to get any Bad

News. Whatever the outcome, you will always have understanding

friends in this group to share your feelings with.

I take two Citracal daily. Calcium supplements can't reverse

osteoporosis, but they can stop further deterioration. I prefer

Citracal because it contains calcium citrate, which is twice as

readily-absorbed as the cheaper calcium carbonate (ground-up

seashells) found in most calcium supplements.

Dee wrote:

<< I guess I am somewhat depressed about this as I had a routine

physical that didn't go so well. I'm 56. Mamogram shows something on

both breasts, repeat in 6 months. Had to have a colonoscopy with 3

polyps 2 precancerous. Borderline osteoporosis. >>

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In a message dated 11/27/2002 2:29:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

whimsy2@... writes:

> Yes, ALA is known to reduce BGs...how much are you taking? And are you

> taking

> extended release ALA?

>

ALA? is that the hydroxyacid? if so the book says 1500 to 6000. I took one

thousand yesterday and again today. Side effects from it can be irritating

so i

am starting low and will increase. I didn't have a choice of manufacturers,

I'll

look at the label for the time release factor. I didn't think of that before

but it makes

sense. The book says to take it before each meal so that might be all the

time control i get.

Dee

Another day went by with no pain in my feet though. Odd or fast acting.

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In a message dated 11/27/2002 12:15:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

s.muir@... writes:

> Whatever the outcome, you will always have understanding

> friends in this group to share your feelings with.

Yes, this group is quite inspiring and I feel lucky I found it.

>

> I take two Citracal daily. Calcium supplements can't reverse

> osteoporosis, but they can stop further deterioration. I prefer

> Citracal because it contains calcium citrate, which is twice as

> readily-absorbed as the cheaper calcium carbonate (ground-up

> seashells) found in most calcium supplements.

>

I also read that calcium is needed to help the muscle absorb insulin.

I'm starting to keep a notebook of things like this so I don't forget. Seems

like

so much information to unlearn.

As for walking, well I went shopping for 4 hours today. I guess I should

have

checked by blood sugar when I got home but somehow I believe this information

is correct.

I'm setting up a spreadsheet in excel to try to keep track of all this stuff.

Weight, supplements, medication, glucose testing, exercise, what i eat,

calories, carbs and am going to weigh and measure food.

I just started reading Dr. Bernstein's book. Thanks for the reco's everyone.

Well, I guess, he's got the kind of knowledge about diabetes that I can

respect.

Actually, a pioneer to reform the thinking about managing blood sugar.

I really have a feeling he's going to enlightenmen me so that I can deal with

this

blood sugar myself. My doctor wants me to do the low fat high carb thingy.

Well, I'm not going to and he is just going to have to deal with it.

I plan to start Atkins on Monday. 20 carbs. I will get this exercise thing

going.

I will take my supplements and medication and i will test my blood sugar.

chicken that I am, I bought the kind of glucose meter that I can draw blood

from

my arm instead of my fingers.

Just reducing the carbs has brought my blood sugar down from 350 so i am

confident it works.

Thanks for all the help.

Dee

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In a message dated 11/27/02 8:36:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,

TaiChiDee@... writes:

> whimsy2@... writes:

> >Yes, ALA is known to reduce BGs...how much are you taking? And are you

> >taking

> >extended release ALA?

>

> ALA? is that the hydroxyacid? if so the book says 1500 to 6000. I took

> one

> thousand yesterday and again today. Side effects from it can be irritating

>

> so i

> am starting low and will increase. I didn't have a choice of

> manufacturers,

> I'll

> look at the label for the time release factor. I didn't think of that

> before

> but it makes

> sense. The book says to take it before each meal so that might be all the

> time control i get.

Jarrow Brand is the only one that I am aware of that has the " timed-release "

ALA tablets. It is available thru <A HREF= " www.iherb.com " >www.iherb.com</A>. I

have ordered from them and

the service is good and no shipping charge if you order a minimum of (I think

$50)

Oregon

Diagnosed T2 4/98

Controlling with L-C diet Only (Bernstein goals & WOE)

Average bg 100, Last HbA1c 5.6%

[Guest guest]

Jarrow makes sustained release 300 mg tablets. My " online diabetic mentor, "

Ron Sebol, recommends one of these before each meal, three times a day. It's

available online from iherb (www.iherb.com) which I understand is the

cheapest around. Vicki

In a message dated 11/27/2002 9:36:05 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

TaiChiDee@... writes:

> ALA? is that the hydroxyacid? if so the book says 1500 to 6000. I took

> one

> thousand yesterday and again today. Side effects from it can be irritating

>

> so i

> am starting low and will increase. I didn't have a choice of

> manufacturers,

> I'll

> look at the label for the time release factor. I didn't think of that

> before

> but it makes

> sense. The book says to take it before each meal so that might be all the

> time control i get.

>

> Dee

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dee wrote:

<< I plan to start Atkins on Monday. 20 carbs. I will get this

exercise thing going.I will take my supplements and medication and i

will test my blood sugar.

chicken that I am, I bought the kind of glucose meter that I can draw

blood from my arm instead of my fingers. >>

You have a good attitude, Dee. If we get the hang of it, diabetes can

just be a nuisance.

I switched to a FreeStyle meter, and do my arm. When nurses stick me

in the finger - even in the side - I go YEOUCH and they give me that

Nurse's Glare, like, " How dare you holler ... I know what I'm doing! "

But some of us have super-sensitive fingers, and there's simply no

reason we should make this any harder than it has to be.

Susie

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in Oregon wrote:

<< Jarrow Brand is the only one that I am aware of that has

the " timed-release " ALA tablets. It is available thru

http://www.iherb.com

I think iHerb.com now carries two brands of timed-release alpha

lipoic acid tablets (ALA). Diabetes guru Ron Sebol tells us that

regular ALA tablets last in our systems 1/2 hour, whereas the slow-

release versions are good for five hours.

Susie

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In a message dated 11/28/2002 11:38:26 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

TaiChiDee@... writes:

> When nurses stick me

> >in the finger - even in the side - I go YEOUCH and they give me that

> >Nurse's Glare, like, " How dare you holler ... I know what I'm doing! "

> >But some of us have super-sensitive fingers, and there's simply no

> >reason we should make this any harder than it has to be

Try playing guitar with needle holes in your fingers. Now, that's a YEOUCH!

F

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In a message dated 11/28/2002 11:38:26 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

TaiChiDee@... writes:

>When nurses stick me

>>in the finger - even in the side - I go YEOUCH and they give me that

>>Nurse's Glare, like, " How dare you holler ... I know what I'm doing! "

>>But some of us have super-sensitive fingers, and there's simply no

>>reason we should make this any harder than it has to be

> Try playing guitar with needle holes in your fingers. Now, that's a YEOUCH!

> F

In a message dated 11/28/02 3:54:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,

DarkSonnet2@... writes:

Dee & ,

Are they sticking you with the bare lancet? That's what they did to me (once

only!). Adjustable lancing devices are the only way to go!

Also, are they sticking on the pads of the fingetips? They don't seem to

understand that is the most painful and for someone like yourself who plays

guitar it would be very difficult.

The sides of the fingertips work just fine and there are less nerves. I have

been doing that for over 4 years now and have no scarring, callouses or pain

using my " Soft-Klix " lancing device.

Oregon

Diagnosed T2 4/98

Controlling with L-C diet Only (Bernstein goals & WOE)

Average bg 100, Last HbA1c 5.6%

[Guest guest]

ALA is alpha lipoic acid, and has no side effects that I am aware of.

Again, many informative posts in the archives. It only works for those who

are quite insulin resistant, as it reduces the insulin. If it works for

your insulin resistance, it's available in the extended release form (300

mg) at www.iherb.com - also a good site for good deals (bulk) on many

vitamins and herbs. Also L-arginine works like a sulf drug (amaryl, diabeta,

etc.) by forcing the pancreas to produce insuln. It's available in the

health food store.

Barb

> ALA? is that the hydroxyacid?

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In a message dated 11/29/2002 11:47:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,

rogerhlmn@... writes:

> Also, are they sticking on the pads of the fingetips? They don't seem to

> understand that is the most painful and for someone like yourself who plays

>

> guitar it would be very difficult.

The diabetic educator nurse used the pad of my finger....not the side.

So, I went right out and bought the one i can use on my arm.

Forget about using the pad of my finger.

It doesn't hurt at all. Finger pricks and cleaning solutions and furniture

polish

don't mix so well either. I felt a little guilty for trashing the accuchek

monitor

as it was brand new....Oh, well.

I don't want to dread having to do this testing. I'm trying to keep it a

positive

experience through which i can learn what my body will do as I adjust my

diet.

Testing a lot in the process.

Dee

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Susie wrote:

> I switched to a FreeStyle meter, and do my arm. When nurses stick me

> in the finger - even in the side - I go YEOUCH and they give me that

> Nurse's Glare, like, " How dare you holler ... I know what I'm doing! "

OK, but remember that alternate site testing, such as in the arm, generally

gives readings that can lag changing blood sugar levels by around 1/2 hour

or so, whereas fingertip reading track quite well. This is not necessarily

a problem, but it can lead to misunderstanding of the peaking some foods

cause, and it can be a real problem for insulin users. In any case,

knowledge is useful.

Tom the Actuary