Greed

[Guest guest]

Greed seems to be one of my major problems when it comes to food. I can

only remember Moran mentioning " greed " . I've never seen it in one

of the other ND books I've read so far.

I feel like I might start eating because of stress or even actually

hunger, but I continue out of greed. I simply can't stop and the phrase

" I can have more later " doesn't do it for me when I go beyond a certain

portion size, i. e. when the portion gets really small.

I realised that it was like this all the time since I started ND. I ate

smaller portions than before and the " I can have more later " phrase

usually worked, but I can't handle very small portions. It seems like I

crave a certain point of fullness that is simply too much for losing

weight (or not gaining anymore? the holidays are getting too me; they

didn't last year).

So I've recognized/accepted greed as a factor. Now how do I

combat/overcome it? " Simply " resist it? I feel like after the third bite

or so I'm eating out of greed only. However, stopping after that third

or so bite seems to be IMPOSSIBLE for me. A thing my mind can't handle.

Not when it comes to the little goodies (we all know what they are), I'm

talking about breakfast, lunch, dinner with foods like rice, bread,

tofu, pasta, veggies, fruits or whatever your favorites may be for

meals.

I thought about gradually going down in portion size, but that doesn't

work too good either. I feel majorly deprived as soon as my portions

shrink beyond a certain size (depends on the food how big the size is).

Why is that? Did I go too fast with reducing portion?

Anyone else out there with the same problem? What is your solution to

this problem?

If I was near a normal weight I'd say maybe I've reached my " natural

weight " , but don't tell me that my body would love to stay at a 35-40

BMI!

Regards

s.

[Guest guest]

My guess is that you have it programmed into your mind that

a " normal " serving is something much bigger than what your body

needs. And as soon as you are eating more than your body needs, you

are eating emotionally.

Have you tried really just slowing down and going as slow as you

possibly can while eating? Just savor the texture and flavor of

every bite. I know it's easier said than done, but my guess is

you're eating way too fast and not giving your body time to process

the amount of food in your stomach. This way, your brain does not

have time to receive the " fullness " signal, and you've already eaten

too much by the time you realize it.

Also, by savoring every bite, you're much less likely to feel

deprived. Try it with a piece of chocolate or a small cookie. Break

its consumption into several small bites, really noticing the

flavors, textures, smells, etc. I think you'll find that you feel

much more satisfied than you normally would after one cookie or one

piece of chocolate.

Hope that's helpful!

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>

> Greed seems to be one of my major problems when it comes to food. I

can

> only remember Moran mentioning " greed " . I've never seen it in

one

> of the other ND books I've read so far.

>

> I feel like I might start eating because of stress or even actually

> hunger, but I continue out of greed. I simply can't stop and the

phrase

> " I can have more later " doesn't do it for me when I go beyond a

certain

> portion size, i. e. when the portion gets really small.

>

> I realised that it was like this all the time since I started ND. I

ate

> smaller portions than before and the " I can have more later " phrase

> usually worked, but I can't handle very small portions. It seems

like I

> crave a certain point of fullness that is simply too much for losing

> weight (or not gaining anymore? the holidays are getting too me;

they

> didn't last year).

>

> So I've recognized/accepted greed as a factor. Now how do I

> combat/overcome it? " Simply " resist it? I feel like after the third

bite

> or so I'm eating out of greed only. However, stopping after that

third

> or so bite seems to be IMPOSSIBLE for me. A thing my mind can't

handle.

> Not when it comes to the little goodies (we all know what they

are), I'm

> talking about breakfast, lunch, dinner with foods like rice, bread,

> tofu, pasta, veggies, fruits or whatever your favorites may be for

> meals.

>

> I thought about gradually going down in portion size, but that

doesn't

> work too good either. I feel majorly deprived as soon as my portions

> shrink beyond a certain size (depends on the food how big the size

is).

> Why is that? Did I go too fast with reducing portion?

>

> Anyone else out there with the same problem? What is your solution

to

> this problem?

>

> If I was near a normal weight I'd say maybe I've reached my " natural

> weight " , but don't tell me that my body would love to stay at a 35-

40

> BMI!

>

> Regards

> s.

>

[Guest guest]

luvkittykandie wrote:

> My guess is that you have it programmed into your mind that

> a " normal " serving is something much bigger than what your body

> needs. And as soon as you are eating more than your body needs, you

> are eating emotionally.

Yes, I think I really have problems with what is a " normal portion for

my body " . I don't think a bread roll and a yoghurt or an apple is too

much, may that is the reason I can't go down to have a roll for

breakfast (as an example).

> Have you tried really just slowing down and going as slow as you

> possibly can while eating?

I'm a very slow eater already.

> Also, by savoring every bite, you're much less likely to feel

> deprived. Try it with a piece of chocolate or a small cookie.

I think it's especially interesting that I don't have this problem with

" goodie foods " .

Regards

s.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> mayne that is the reason I can't go down to have a roll for

> breakfast (as an example).

correction: of course it is " half " and not " have " .

note: before thinking about a Freudian slip, think about that English

isn't my first language, lol.

Regards

s.

[Guest guest]

English isn't your first language???

Where are you from?

>

> > mayne that is the reason I can't go down to have a roll for

> > breakfast (as an example).

>

> correction: of course it is " half " and not " have " .

>

> note: before thinking about a Freudian slip, think about that

English

> isn't my first language, lol.

>

> Regards

> s.

>

[Guest guest]

luvkittykandie wrote:

> English isn't your first language???

> Where are you from?

Germany.

Regards

s.

[Guest guest]

S,

I wonder if one part of you fears that you will restrict to where you wont get enough, and so you overeat in reaction to that fear, even though you arent actually restricting! i just read the Four Day Win, so using that parlance, your Wild Child is afraid your Dictator is going to restrict your food too much, so she panics and wants to overeat, because just the thought of being hungry is scary.

what if you served yourself way more food than you thought you wanted, like a ridiculously large portion, more than you could EVER eat, and promise yourself that you can have as much as you want. maybe if you really believed that THEN (later) you could try to eat when you are hungry, and stop when you are full, but also realize that your brain aka Wild Child might not believe you at first, that you have to show her that you wont make her be hungry or feel deprived.

i suspect that greed is not the issue, but meeting an unmet need IS. greed has such negative connotations, and sounds so judgemental. i think you dont deserve that.

just a thought... feel free to ignore if it's not helpful.

luvkittykandie wrote:

> English isn't your first language???> Where are you from?Germany.Regardss.

[Guest guest]

Abigail Wolfson wrote:

> i suspect that greed is not the issue, but meeting an unmet need IS. greed

> has such negative connotations, and sounds so judgemental. i think you dont

> deserve that.

It's interesting to think about unmet needs. I'd say though that I

really AM greedy for more food because I'm obviously still trying to

prove myself that I CAN have it all now that I'm an adult and don't have

to diet anymore.

Now that I read the above sentence I realise that I don't really believe

it... *sigh*

I can hear that voice in me saying " No, you aren't REALLY allowed to

have it - if you'll eat that you'll stay fat and most likely will get

fatter and you don't want that, do you? " and I only wish I could

establish new ways in my brain. (maybe you know the example of the

marble rolling down the hill; I think it was in one of 's books)

I feel like these voices (or rather old behaviors) are always lurking in

the pathways of my brain, getting a hold of me as soon as I go " off

guard " a bit.

Regards

s.

[Guest guest]

after i sent that email, i was thinking that it could also be some other unmet need, ie emotional, that might be the problem *that's a question, but i'm in central america right now, where all the keyboards have issues.... this one doesnt have a working question mark key.

even with all the reading and thinking i've been doing, when i have a bad day i still crave something sweet, to sweeten my mood, i suppose. it's interesting to me how deeply rooted and unconscious that impulse is.

i do love the idea of taking care of that Wild Child inside you... i think when she really, truly feels safe and cared for, her needs wont be so insistent.

Abigail Wolfson wrote:> i suspect that greed is not the issue, but meeting an unmet need IS. greed

> has such negative connotations, and sounds so judgemental. i think you dont> deserve that.It's interesting to think about unmet needs. I'd say though that Ireally AM greedy for more food because I'm obviously still trying to

prove myself that I CAN have it all now that I'm an adult and don't haveto diet anymore.Now that I read the above sentence I realise that I don't really believeit... *sigh*I can hear that voice in me saying " No, you aren't REALLY allowed to

have it - if you'll eat that you'll stay fat and most likely will getfatter and you don't want that, do you? " and I only wish I couldestablish new ways in my brain. (maybe you know the example of the

marble rolling down the hill; I think it was in one of 's books)I feel like these voices (or rather old behaviors) are always lurking inthe pathways of my brain, getting a hold of me as soon as I go " off

guard " a bit.Regardss.