Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

[Guest guest]

Beth,

I did not said that Great Plains did not have the serum testing, they

do have IgG and IgE testing in blood, but they also have the

gluten/casein peptide in urine, and this last one is the one that one

of the moms was referring to in another post.

Great Plains are great, we work a lot with them, but for some parents

it is too expensive.

93 foods IgG testing with them cost $200 and 25 foods IgE testing

costs $250. The gluten/casein peptide in unirne costs $99.

What they do not have is individual testing, like if you wnat to

check for just cluten and casein in serum you can't, you have to get

the 93 foods testing.

The laboratory that I mentioned before in the other post is Alletess,

they only do allergy testing IgG, IgE, IgM and IgA.

The 96 foods IgG panel with them costs $129 and they include a diet

specially made for the child depending on the results by a

nutricionists. Great plains only gives you the results, no diet.

Also they have the choice to do individual allergens, and each of

them is $7, so if you do not want to check for all the foods and you

only one to check for cluten and casein it will be $14.

Sorry I did not explained myself correclty in the last post. I hope

this clarify things better.

If you wnat to check out Alletess website is www.foodallergy.com, we

have the kits at our office.

Lucy

> >

> > Maureen,

> >

> > The test you can do to check for the gluten and casein allergies

> can

> > be done with a blood draw and at the office where I work, BodyMed

> > with Dr Zeno we can do it for $7 each.

> > Great Plains only does the urine for the casein and gluten

> peptides,

> > we work with them also, but I think taht for the situation you

are

> > on, Allettes lab is going to be better, adn as I said before, the

> > price to check for gluten and casein will be only $14.

> > Give me a call to the office, we can help you and Dr Zeno can see

> > your child and you can pay for the consultation little by little,

> it

> > is only $300. Also most of the initial testing can be covered by

> > insurance, even medicaid.

> >

> > You can contact me at (954)584-3198

> >

> > Luciana

>

[Guest guest]

Hi~

I was just wondering how old your son is and what his dianosis is? Also, did you do a lot of testing before deciding which interventions you would use?

Thanks!

Tara

Subject: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTIONTo: sList Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 8:41 AM

There is also Dr. Zeno www.bodymedonline. com

She is our DAN doctor and in just 2 months my son went from very basic words to full sentences and 100% clarity.

My son is a totally different child now , just with the B-12 shots, restricted diet and supplements.

I highly recommend this doctor, she is wonderful and I¢ve never met a doctor who cares so much about helping to recover Autistic Children.

[Guest guest]

I just realized I never replied to this and I believe that you were asking me if my child has any G.I. symptoms or allergies and The answer is no she doesn't. I think that I why I feel so overwhelmed about all this bio medical stuff. Beacause if she doesn't have these issues to begin with, I don't want her developing other issues.

From: MAUREEN <maureen8030@ yahoo.com>Subject: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTIONTo: sList@ yahoogroups. comDate: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:30 PM

I am going to bring up a very controversial topic , I hope no one is offended . I am very interested in bio-medical intervention . I have been researching it and it makes absolute sense to me .Before we ever thought our some might be on the spectrum we knew he was a sick kid . Tons of allergies , eczema , chronic ear infections and viral infections, always stuffy , constant redness and puffiness around the eyes , constant nose bleeds and G.I issues . We have consulted many physicians and they just tell us its normal and that he will grow out of it . We even had him tested for allergies ( a very obvious allergic child) and he tested negative for everything. Yet in the mean time my child is miserable . Does anyone here have any experience with intergrative medicine ? If so can you guide us in what we can do for our son ?NO MORE ZYRTEC!! ( my new

mantra)

[Guest guest]

Hi,

How would you get tested specifically for the blood brain

barrier concerns. We had the other tests done (through our pediatrician) which

showed a mild allergy to whea/gluten and a moderate allergy to casein but we

were on the diet for over 5 months and saw no change. Went off the diet a

few weeks ago and still no change. (and yes, we were very good about following

the diet – even toothpaste was gfcf). So I am feeling that the food

is not a concern for us however, I feel that kind of test could help me determine

for sure if food really is a concern or not. I feel like I am

pulling ay straws trying to find the reasons for my daughters behavior –

could such a test really exist that would give me a definite answer about

this????

Eriika

From:

sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf

Of TinaTerriAustin

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 5:13 AM

To: sList

Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

I

can perhaps shed some light on this....

My

understanding is that allergy testing is different than the test that

determines whether gluten/casein crosses the blood/brain barrier and leads to

the morphine-like behaviors. They are 2 different tests.

Allergy

testing (IgG and IgE) is usually covered by insurance, thereby making in less

costly. Generally, one needs a referral by the pediatrician if it cannot

be done in their office.

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Original Message -----

From: bethvataker

To: sList

Sent: Thursday, August 21,

2008 8:42 PM

Subject: Re:

BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

Hi Luciana,

I have a few questions with regards to your post. When did great

plains lab stop doing serum testing? According to their web site

they still do serum (blood) testing of all food allergies IgG and IgE

albeit IgG is the better choice for our children. Which by the way

still has a great explanation of the labs and why each one is done

for anyone who is interested in researching further the web site is

www.greatplainslaboratory.com/home/eng/home.asp

If the Great Plains lab is still testing it is the IgG (not the IgE)

test that is usually most effective and according to their web page

the cost is $219-$325 for the blood test and it tests up to 93 foods.

Also I am curious as to the lab you mentioned below with the rate

being $7 per test, it is a very good price if it is the IgG testing

that is being done then it would be a great resource for parents all

over the country to look into when doing allergy testing so any

further information that you can post would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Beth Vataker

>

> Maureen,

>

> The test you can do to check for the gluten and casein allergies

can

> be done with a blood draw and at the office where I work, BodyMed

> with Dr Zeno we can do it for $7 each.

> Great Plains only does the urine for the casein and gluten

peptides,

> we work with them also, but I think taht for the situation you are

> on, Allettes lab is going to be better, adn as I said before, the

> price to check for gluten and casein will be only $14.

> Give me a call to the office, we can help you and Dr Zeno can see

> your child and you can pay for the consultation little by little,

it

> is only $300. Also most of the initial testing can be covered by

> insurance, even medicaid.

>

> You can contact me at (954)584-3198

>

> Luciana

[Guest guest]

IgE testing is covered by most insurances, but IgG testing is not,

even Great Plains does not take Blue cross blue shield for allergy

testing. I know taht some parents did bill the insurance for the

testing, when it was through sage or alletess and they only have to

pay a little copayment.

IgG testing is the test that will determine the food sensitivities,

meaning if there is protein of any foods taht are transpassing the

wall on the intestines and going into the bloodstream IgG testing

will detect that, most of the time the food allergies are not

detectable to the eyes, the children will not get a physical

reactions when they take the food, but they will have a distended

belly on times, dark circles around the eyes, stomachache, they will

get more lethargic, have a sticky white/yellowish coating on their

tongue (that most pediatrician will confuse with candida, it happened

to my son with the soy), or this foods will affect the children's

behaviors.

An IgE reaction is what is call an allergy, meaning if the child eats

that type of food will get a rash, or a swollen tongue or lips or an

anaphilactic reaction.

I think taht an IgG food allergy testing is really good for anyone

starting on the GfCf diet or any other diet modifications becuase a

lot of parents replace the cow's milk with almond or soy and the

child is sometimes is more sensitive to these to foods than teh cow's

milk or the will replace the gluten with corn or almond or rice and

the child may have a corn sensitivity, specially if they have red

cheeks, dry skin, hyperactivity because they may have yeast.

Once again, the way you can do the testing is calling the specialty

labs and asking for a kit, being that you need to draw blood from the

child you must ask the pediatrician office if they will sign the

requicision form and do the draw blood at their office. Regular labs

like oracle, labcorp or quest do not have IgG testing, they only have

IgE. At the office we do have the test kits and we can draw the

blood also if anyone is interested.

Hope this helps

Luciana

> >

> > Maureen,

> >

> > The test you can do to check for the gluten and casein allergies

> can

> > be done with a blood draw and at the office where I work, BodyMed

> > with Dr Zeno we can do it for $7 each.

> > Great Plains only does the urine for the casein and gluten

> peptides,

> > we work with them also, but I think taht for the situation you

are

> > on, Allettes lab is going to be better, adn as I said before, the

> > price to check for gluten and casein will be only $14.

> > Give me a call to the office, we can help you and Dr Zeno can see

> > your child and you can pay for the consultation little by little,

> it

> > is only $300. Also most of the initial testing can be covered by

> > insurance, even medicaid.

> >

> > You can contact me at (954)584-3198

> >

> > Luciana

>

[Guest guest]

I appreciate the contact info for the yeast products. Is this something you think I need to have tested first or can I just move forward with the treatment? The Feingold diet info was also helpful…think I can rule that out – We just came back to Gatorade and did not see any difference (and I looked for one).

:

The nightmare's were probably a reaction from the dieoff - need to go a little slower and probably give her something to relax her mind before she goes to bed such as Coffea Cruda, a homeopathic for hyperactivity of the mind - helps to calm the mind and have a peaceful sleep. Homeopathics are non toxic and very effective.

Dr. Shaw has a test for Yeast Metabolites which you can do to see what strains and the amount of yeast and if there is anything else such as bacterial levels or other toxic yeast byproducts.

However, I would go ahead and start very slowly on a yeast protocol because no matter what the testing says, you know she has yeast - it's always a question of bringing the levels down to so that she is not having this behavior and keeping the yeast from triggering other behaviors such as sleep issues, hyperactivity - and of course allergy symptoms and so on. Also, it is very difficult to detox heavy metals from the body if the GI tract is loaded with yeast, fungus etc. Unfortunately this process of bringing yeast down is a long one and you can't go very fast because of the reactions of the die-off. However, it is also important to make sure her ureas - the ammonia levels are within normal range (this ammonia from urine not blood) because high ureas - ammonia will cause fermentation in the GI tract unless the ammonia levels are down. High ammonia is a very common issue for children on the spectrum.

It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

First, I think it is awesome that your behavior specialist even mentioned biomedical. They are two very different disciplines and generally behavior specialists are very resistant to anything related to biomedical. Many think we who utilize these approaches are nuts and desperate. That is why I appreciate Butterfly Effects, because they are open to other interventions that can complement behavioral interventions.

In terms of finding a "cure" or some magic pill, I think it is very important for us parents to not get caught up in that as an ultimate goal. Having hope is great but one can get caught up in always looking for that one thing. I have seen parents who constantly try the next new thing and believe there will be that one thing. My partner has even stated, "We just need to find that one thing that will send him over the edge." Or something like that....

I think for my son and my beliefs about biomedical, I try to look at my child as a whole in that there are specific and diagnosed medical issues and that the biomedical interventions are trying to remedy. He has clear issues related to digestion and his immune system. He has high body burden levels of aluminum, lead and mercury. I want to care for these issues b/c it will help him to be healthier as a whole person. If, by chance, some of his symptoms of autism are relieved or alleviated, then great. If not, then he is a healthier child with autism.

Just my opinion...and part of my acceptance process of my son, who is wonderful and amazing just the way he is. And, he is happy, which is MY ultimate goal for him.

RE: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

I so strongly agree with you , but it is so easy to get wrapped up. I know that this disorder is unique to each one that has it, one treatment may work wonders for one and not the other. But , you can’t help but get excited at the prospect of a possible answer – especially when many are shouting its praises. Like I said before, you don’t want to miss out on any chance that it might work for your child. However, knowing the value of therapy, it has been the one treatment that has remained constant since we first found out about my daughters issues.

We started with some ABA but found that a more eclectic approach was better for Ella. It did help with some of her strong willed behavior but the combination of verbal, floor time and other modes helped a lot as well. And it didn’t hurt that we had an amazing therapist Aileen Tortorici. She was with us from the start until our recent move. As was our speech therapist – Hedia at Easter Seals. I am so grateful to both of these women as I know they have helped my daughter come to be where she is today. I just want more! J I want a cure..OK back to reality. I just want my daughter to be happy.

My daughter was always delayed so I cannot fully appreciate the situation you have been in…to see your child lose what they once had and get lost in their world and no longer be a part of yours. I can only imagine how difficult that must be. It seems like such a powerless place to be. However, I can certainly connect with your struggle, as I am there too – Obviously (after my ranting e-mail). J

Thanks so much for your guidance.

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of HeifferonSent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:22 PMTo: sList Subject: RE: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

It sounds to me that your daughter is in need of some good ABA Therapy. If she is already getting ABA maybe she needs more. We all would like to have a magic pill. It would solve so many problems, not only the infliction but also all the problems that it causes. You need to seek scientifically based procedures, otherwise, the magic pills you try may be placebos only. Placebos can be expensive.

I have seen a baby progress normally and for some unknown reason stops somewhere around 18 months. Even more heartbreaking is to see him regress. I can remember every time we pulled out the camera and pointed it at him, he would put on this big smile. That stopped. The words he had, he lost. I think it is this regression that bothers me the most.

There is a real need to lead with your head and not your heart, even as difficult that might seem.

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of CohaneSent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:31 PMTo: sList Subject: RE: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

Biggest issues are inability to attend and focus (more because she has her own agenda - if she really wanted to converse or complete a task – she could) and opposition/non compliance – again because she has her own agenda. Communication is delayed but she can converse.

I think it is just hard for all of us to figure this out. As parents, you want to leave no stone unturned but when you think you have tried all you can, there is always another treatment or something you haven’t and you feel compelled to do it – after all, this is your baby. You always hope that then next thing will be it , so you spend a little more time and a little more money only to feel the heartbreak of no results once again. It is just frustrating that we don’t have the answers we need to heal our children. Im off on a rant. And actually, my daughter seems to be doing well at this point but I just want so bad for her to succeed – as we all do. Just wish I could have that magic pill.

Thanks for hearing me. Ill check out the Feingold diet online…think we looked at it before but just wasn’t there at the time. Not sure I am now either but testing seems a little easier – that’s why I was exploring it. I appreciate your help – you really seem to have a wealth of knowledge. J

From: sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of badillo9aolSent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:05 PMTo: sList Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

In a message dated 8/23/2008 12:12:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, thecohanescomcast (DOT) net writes:

I feel like I am pulling ay straws trying to find the reasons for my daughters behavior

What kind of behavior is your child having? You might want to check out the Feingold Diet. It is very effective for children extremely reactive to phenols, dyes, chemicals, etc.

Badillo

It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

The drawbacks of taking anti fungal medications is that it takes the yeast out of the blood and into the tissue and the yeast will come back with a vengeance down the road within a few months. Anti fungals do effectively eradicate the yeast in the blood, however, yeast in the tissue means the yeast is systemic and much more pervasive. To get the tissue healed requires Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment in cases of gut dysbiosis and severe leaky gut which is one of the reasons why many parents have found HBOT to be very effective in reducing hyperactivity and many of the symptoms from yeast overgrowth. Using medication also requires monitoring the liver and considering how toxic these children are, any added toxicity to the liver is not advisable.

Yeast dieoff is a nasty process but it is possible to kill the Candida without having a dieoff process if you go slowly and use enough probiotics. In the long run it is a safer and more effective approach because the yeast reduction will generally not return unless there is a specific reason - like antibiotic usage.

There's no doubt ABA is effective and make sure reinforcers are not sugar laden, but working on a biological level with autism on many of the issues will reduce the need for ABA in the long run. Eventually your child will need to be able to function in a small group setting learning group skills like normal children.

It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

I appreciate your sentiments. My therapist was and is very

open and like I said, uses an eclectic approach. She seems to recognize

also that there are different parts to this disorder and more than one way to

treat the concerns that accompany the spectrum. This was a helpful philosophy

and tx mode for my daughter.

I still struggle with complete acceptance . I recognize

that I need to get there but not quite there yet. I love my daughter but

hate this disorder. AND, I CAN separate the two. For me, it is just

very difficult to embrace this because I feel that it has contaminated my

beautiful daughter. Her potential is stifled because of it. Yes I

love her no matter what and I see all the hidden treasures she has to offer

just as she is. And honestly, she is happy – which is really all that

I want too. I know that I have to let go of my own desires for her and I

can…if I know that she will remain happy. Just not sure that will

be her reality once she recognizes her differences. Only time will

tell. Maybe she will have the good fortune of having understanding,

loving and accepting peers. For now, we just take it one day at a time

(and fantasize of a magic pill J).

From: sList

[mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of TinaTerriAustin

Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:12 AM

To: sList

Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

First,

I think it is awesome that your behavior specialist even mentioned

biomedical. They are two very different disciplines and generally

behavior specialists are very resistant to anything related to

biomedical. Many think we who utilize these approaches are nuts and

desperate. That is why I appreciate Butterfly Effects, because they are

open to other interventions that can complement behavioral interventions.

In

terms of finding a " cure " or some magic pill, I think it is very

important for us parents to not get caught up in that as an ultimate

goal. Having hope is great but one can get caught up in always looking

for that one thing. I have seen parents who constantly try the next new

thing and believe there will be that one thing. My partner has even

stated, " We just need to find that one thing that will send him over the

edge. " Or something like that....

I

think for my son and my beliefs about biomedical, I try to look at my child as

a whole in that there are specific and diagnosed medical issues and that the

biomedical interventions are trying to remedy. He has clear issues

related to digestion and his immune system. He has high body burden

levels of aluminum, lead and mercury. I want to care for these issues b/c

it will help him to be healthier as a whole person. If, by chance, some

of his symptoms of autism are relieved or alleviated, then great. If not,

then he is a healthier child with autism.

Just

my opinion...and part of my acceptance process of my son, who is wonderful and

amazing just the way he is. And, he is happy, which is MY ultimate goal

for him.

-----

Original Message -----

From: Cohane

To: sList

Sent: Monday, August 25,

2008 10:59 PM

Subject: RE:

Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

I so strongly agree with you , but

it is so easy to get wrapped up. I know that this disorder is unique to each

one that has it, one treatment may work wonders for one and not the other. But

, you can’t help but get excited at the prospect of a possible answer

– especially when many are shouting its praises. Like I said

before, you don’t want to miss out on any chance that it might work for

your child. However, knowing the value of therapy, it has been the one

treatment that has remained constant since we first found out about my

daughters issues.

We started with some ABA but found that

a more eclectic approach was better for Ella. It did help with some of

her strong willed behavior but the combination of verbal, floor time and other

modes helped a lot as well. And it didn’t hurt that we had an amazing

therapist Aileen Tortorici. She was with us from the start until our

recent move. As was our speech therapist – Hedia at Easter

Seals. I am so grateful to both of these women as I know they have helped

my daughter come to be where she is today. I just want more! J I want a cure..OK back to

reality. I just want my daughter to be happy.

My daughter was always delayed so I

cannot fully appreciate the situation you have been in…to see your child

lose what they once had and get lost in their world and no longer be a part of

yours. I can only imagine how difficult that must be. It seems like

such a powerless place to be. However, I can certainly connect with your

struggle, as I am there too – Obviously (after my ranting e-mail). J

Thanks so much for your guidance.

From:

sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf

Of Heifferon

Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:22 PM

To: sList

Subject: RE: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

It sounds to me that your daughter is in

need of some good ABA Therapy. If she is already getting ABA maybe she needs

more. We all would like to have a magic pill. It would solve so many problems,

not only the infliction but also all the problems that it causes. You need to

seek scientifically based procedures, otherwise, the magic pills you try

may be placebos only. Placebos can be expensive.

I have seen a baby progress normally and

for some unknown reason stops somewhere around 18 months. Even more

heartbreaking is to see him regress. I can remember every time we pulled out

the camera and pointed it at him, he would put on this big smile. That stopped.

The words he had, he lost. I think it is this regression that bothers me

the most.

There is a real need to lead with your

head and not your heart, even as difficult that might seem.

From:

sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf

Of Cohane

Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:31 PM

To: sList

Subject: RE: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

Biggest issues are inability to attend

and focus (more because she has her own agenda - if she really wanted to

converse or complete a task – she could) and opposition/non compliance

– again because she has her own agenda. Communication is delayed

but she can converse.

I think it is just hard for all of us to

figure this out. As parents, you want to leave no stone unturned but when

you think you have tried all you can, there is always another

treatment or something you haven’t and you feel compelled to do it

– after all, this is your baby. You always hope that then next

thing will be it , so you spend a little more time and a little more money only

to feel the heartbreak of no results once again. It is just frustrating

that we don’t have the answers we need to heal our children. Im off

on a rant. And actually, my daughter seems to be doing well at this point

but I just want so bad for her to succeed – as we all do. Just wish I

could have that magic pill.

Thanks for hearing me. Ill check

out the Feingold diet online…think we looked at it before but just

wasn’t there at the time. Not sure I am now either but testing seems a

little easier – that’s why I was exploring it. I appreciate

your help – you really seem to have a wealth of knowledge. J

From:

sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf

Of badillo9@...

Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:05 PM

To: sList

Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

In a message dated 8/23/2008 12:12:53 A.M.

Eastern Daylight Time, thecohanes@... writes:

I feel

like I am pulling ay straws trying to find the reasons for my daughters

behavior

What kind of behavior is your child

having? You might want to check out the Feingold Diet. It is very effective for

children extremely reactive to phenols, dyes, chemicals, etc.

Badillo

It's only a deal if it's where you

want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

Is Dr. Shaw a DAN?  Can we have the testing done w/o the expense

of a full consultation? Do you have the contact info?

Thanks.

From: sList

[mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of badillo9@...

Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:07 AM

To: sList

Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

In a message dated 8/26/2008 1:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

thecohanes@... writes:

I appreciate the contact info for the yeast products. Is

this something you think I need to have tested first or can I just move forward

with the treatment? The Feingold diet info was also helpful…think I can

rule that out – We just came back to Gatorade and did not see any difference

(and I looked for one).

:

The nightmare's were probably a reaction from the dieoff - need to

go a little slower and probably give her something to relax her mind before she

goes to bed such as Coffea Cruda, a homeopathic for hyperactivity of the

mind - helps to calm the mind and have a peaceful sleep. Homeopathics are non

toxic and very effective.

Dr. Shaw has a test for Yeast Metabolites which you can do to see

what strains and the amount of yeast and if there is anything else such as

bacterial levels or other toxic yeast byproducts.

However, I would go ahead and start very slowly on a

yeast protocol because no matter what the testing says, you know she has

yeast - it's always a question of bringing the levels down to so that she is

not having this behavior and keeping the yeast from triggering other behaviors

such as sleep issues, hyperactivity - and of course allergy symptoms and so on.

Also, it is very difficult to detox heavy metals from the body if the GI tract

is loaded with yeast, fungus etc. Unfortunately this process of bringing yeast

down is a long one and you can't go very fast because of the reactions of the

die-off. However, it is also important to make sure her ureas - the ammonia

levels are within normal range (this ammonia from urine not blood) because high

ureas - ammonia will cause fermentation in the GI tract unless the ammonia

levels are down. High ammonia is a very common issue for children on the

spectrum.

It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your

travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

While it is true that homeopathic remedies such as coffea cruda can be

effective to help sleep they also might have the opposite effect and

create wakefulness. This happens if they do not match the individual's

symptoms. The dose of the remedy is also of importance. If you want to

use it daily you should use a low dose and monitor the child carefully.

Just a word of caution.

Shirly

>

>

> In a message dated 8/26/2008 1:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> thecohanes@... writes:

>

> I appreciate the contact info for the yeast products. Is this

something

> you think I need to have tested first or can I just move forward

with the

> treatment? The Feingold diet info was also helpful…think I can

rule that out †"

> We just came back to Gatorade and did not see any difference (and I

looked for

> one).

>

>

> :

>

> The nightmare's were probably a reaction from the dieoff - need to

go a

> little slower and probably give her something to relax her mind

before she goes

> to bed such as Coffea Cruda, a homeopathic for hyperactivity of the

mind -

> helps to calm the mind and have a peaceful sleep. Homeopathics are

non toxic and

> very effective.

>

> Dr. Shaw has a test for Yeast Metabolites which you can do to see what

> strains and the amount of yeast and if there is anything else such

as bacterial

> levels or other toxic yeast byproducts.

>

> However, I would go ahead and start very slowly on a yeast protocol

because

> no matter what the testing says, you know she has yeast - it's

always a

> question of bringing the levels down to so that she is not having

this behavior

> and keeping the yeast from triggering other behaviors such as sleep

issues,

> hyperactivity - and of course allergy symptoms and so on. Also, it

is very

> difficult to detox heavy metals from the body if the GI tract is

loaded with

> yeast, fungus etc. Unfortunately this process of bringing yeast down

is a long one

> and you can't go very fast because of the reactions of the die-off.

However,

> it is also important to make sure her ureas - the ammonia levels are

within

> normal range (this ammonia from urine not blood) because high ureas

- ammonia

> will cause fermentation in the GI tract unless the ammonia levels

are down.

> High ammonia is a very common issue for children on the spectrum.

>

>

>

>

>

> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find

your travel

> deal here.

> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

>

[Guest guest]

Is Dr. Shaw a DAN? Can we have the testing done w/o the expense of a full consultation? Do you have the contact info

Dr. Shaw's laboratory is used by most DAN physicians - he is one of the first doctors 15 years ago to stand up and fight for parents of autistic children when he saw the profile of vaccines, excessive antibotics and increased fungus and Candida. He was actually fired from the hospital he was working at for making a connection between the GI tract and neurological functioning. After that he founded Great Plains Laboratory. I have testing on my child from him back to 1994 - Dr. Shaw has come a long way.

You can have your regular pediatrician request a kit from Dr. Shaw's lab, but he most likely will not understand the results but you can request a consultation on the results from the lab as a parent.

It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the word of caution.  My daughter is actually an

excellent sleeper (stopped naps at 2 but sleeps well through the night)so when

the nightmares started, I stopped the stuff we were using.  Unfortunately, she

still has some bad dreams but I think most 5 yr olds do.  They are not that

often but I strongly feel they started with what was supposed to be a calming

agent that was recommended by the nutritionist at a health food store.  No

blame on her, it just seems as you said, the stuff did not fit w/ my daughters

system OR it could have just been coincidence.  Never the less, I am very cautious

about what I will give her. 

From:

sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf

Of shirlygilad

Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:14 AM

To: sList

Subject: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

While it is true that homeopathic remedies such

as coffea cruda can be

effective to help sleep they also might have the opposite effect and

create wakefulness. This happens if they do not match the individual's

symptoms. The dose of the remedy is also of importance. If you want to

use it daily you should use a low dose and monitor the child carefully.

Just a word of caution.

Shirly

>

>

> In a message dated 8/26/2008 1:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> thecohanes@... writes:

>

> I appreciate the contact info for the yeast products. Is this

something

> you think I need to have tested first or can I just move forward

with the

> treatment? The Feingold diet info was also helpful…think I can

rule that out †"

> We just came back to Gatorade and did not see any difference (and I

looked for

> one).

>

>

> :

>

> The nightmare's were probably a reaction from the dieoff - need to

go a

> little slower and probably give her something to relax her mind

before she goes

> to bed such as Coffea Cruda, a homeopathic for hyperactivity of the

mind -

> helps to calm the mind and have a peaceful sleep. Homeopathics are

non toxic and

> very effective.

>

> Dr. Shaw has a test for Yeast Metabolites which you can do to see what

> strains and the amount of yeast and if there is anything else such

as bacterial

> levels or other toxic yeast byproducts.

>

> However, I would go ahead and start very slowly on a yeast protocol

because

> no matter what the testing says, you know she has yeast - it's

always a

> question of bringing the levels down to so that she is not having

this behavior

> and keeping the yeast from triggering other behaviors such as sleep

issues,

> hyperactivity - and of course allergy symptoms and so on. Also, it

is very

> difficult to detox heavy metals from the body if the GI tract is

loaded with

> yeast, fungus etc. Unfortunately this process of bringing yeast down

is a long one

> and you can't go very fast because of the reactions of the die-off.

However,

> it is also important to make sure her ureas - the ammonia levels are

within

> normal range (this ammonia from urine not blood) because high ureas

- ammonia

> will cause fermentation in the GI tract unless the ammonia levels

are down.

> High ammonia is a very common issue for children on the spectrum.

>

>

>

>

>

> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find

your travel

> deal here.

> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

>

[Guest guest]

>

you can call Great Plains laboratory, Dr Shaw does not called himself

a DAN! but he does practice biomedical interventions for autism. You

can call great plains and ask for them to send you the kits, after

that you can call for a consultation over the phone with someone at

great plains taht is going to help you understand the test results, I

do not know if Dr Shaw does complementary consultations over the

phone, but his staff does. Their phone number is 1-

> Is Dr. Shaw a DAN? Can we have the testing done w/o the expense of

a full consultation? Do you have the contact info?

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

> From: sList

[mailto:sList ] On Behalf Of badillo9@...

> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:07 AM

> To: sList

> Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

>

>

>

> In a message dated 8/26/2008 1:31:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

thecohanes@... writes:

>

> I appreciate the contact info for the yeast products. Is this

something you think I need to have tested first or can I just move

forward with the treatment? The Feingold diet info was also

helpful…think I can rule that out †" We just came back to Gatorade

and did not see any difference (and I looked for one).

>

> :

>

>

>

> The nightmare's were probably a reaction from the dieoff - need to

go a little slower and probably give her something to relax her mind

before she goes to bed such as Coffea Cruda, a homeopathic for

hyperactivity of the mind - helps to calm the mind and have a

peaceful sleep. Homeopathics are non toxic and very effective.

>

>

>

> Dr. Shaw has a test for Yeast Metabolites which you can do to see

what strains and the amount of yeast and if there is anything else

such as bacterial levels or other toxic yeast byproducts.

>

>

>

> However, I would go ahead and start very slowly on a yeast protocol

because no matter what the testing says, you know she has yeast -

it's always a question of bringing the levels down to so that she is

not having this behavior and keeping the yeast from triggering other

behaviors such as sleep issues, hyperactivity - and of course allergy

symptoms and so on. Also, it is very difficult to detox heavy metals

from the body if the GI tract is loaded with yeast, fungus etc.

Unfortunately this process of bringing yeast down is a long one and

you can't go very fast because of the reactions of the die-off.

However, it is also important to make sure her ureas - the ammonia

levels are within normal range (this ammonia from urine not blood)

because high ureas - ammonia will cause fermentation in the GI tract

unless the ammonia levels are down. High ammonia is a very common

issue for children on the spectrum.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel

deal <http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?

ncid=aoltrv00050000000047> here.

>

[Guest guest]

I believe caprycillic or caprycin from the health food store helps w/ yeast problems.Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTIONTo: sList Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 10:13 PM

The drawbacks of taking anti fungal medications is that it takes the yeast out of the blood and into the tissue and the yeast will come back with a vengeance down the road within a few months. Anti fungals do effectively eradicate the yeast in the blood, however, yeast in the tissue means the yeast is systemic and much more pervasive. To get the tissue healed requires Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment in cases of gut dysbiosis and severe leaky gut which is one of the reasons why many parents have found HBOT to be very effective in reducing hyperactivity and many of the symptoms from yeast overgrowth. Using medication also requires monitoring the liver and considering how toxic these children are, any added toxicity to the liver is not advisable.

Yeast dieoff is a nasty process but it is possible to kill the Candida without having a dieoff process if you go slowly and use enough probiotics. In the long run it is a safer and more effective approach because the yeast reduction will generally not return unless there is a specific reason - like antibiotic usage.

There's no doubt ABA is effective and make sure reinforcers are not sugar laden, but working on a biological level with autism on many of the issues will reduce the need for ABA in the long run. Eventually your child will need to be able to function in a small group setting learning group skills like normal children.

It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

o ,

I feel just like you . Everyone tells me to accept it and and to focus on all my sons hidden treasures but I cant help but feel that he has been cheated out of something . He does not understand the world for what it is ( a cruel place) , I cant help but think of how tough life is going to be for him . Recently my son started in a typical pre-school and his echolalia is back in full force . It kills me to hear him repeating these conversations , because I know he is doing it to try to make sense of a world he does not understand . If I had one wish , I wish I could get into his mind and see things the way he does so that I can try to help him understand . I dont wish for him to be different , I just hope that one day he will learn how to understand the world a litttle better . Or maybe god can place me in his world too ( I dont want him to feel lonely) , I guess that is my worst fear .

Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

In a message dated 8/23/2008 12:12:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, thecohanescomcast (DOT) net writes:

I feel like I am pulling ay straws trying to find the reasons for my daughters behavior

What kind of behavior is your child having? You might want to check out the Feingold Diet. It is very effective for children extremely reactive to phenols, dyes, chemicals, etc.

Badillo

It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

Has your child been tested for bacteria in the urine, or a urinary tract infection? This could be one cause of constant urination.

From: badillo9aol (DOT) com <badillo9aol (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTIONTo: sList@ yahoogroups. comDate: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 10:13 PM

The drawbacks of taking anti fungal medications is that it takes the yeast out of the blood and into the tissue and the yeast will come back with a vengeance down the road within a few months. Anti fungals do effectively eradicate the yeast in the blood, however, yeast in the tissue means the yeast is systemic and much more pervasive. To get the tissue healed requires Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment in cases of gut dysbiosis and severe leaky gut which is one of the reasons why many parents have found HBOT to be very effective in reducing hyperactivity and many of the symptoms from yeast overgrowth. Using medication also requires monitoring the liver and considering how toxic these children are, any added toxicity to the liver is not advisable.

Yeast dieoff is a nasty process but it is possible to kill the Candida without having a dieoff process if you go slowly and use enough probiotics. In the long run it is a safer and more effective approach because the yeast reduction will generally not return unless there is a specific reason - like antibiotic usage.

There's no doubt ABA is effective and make sure reinforcers are not sugar laden, but working on a biological level with autism on many of the issues will reduce the need for ABA in the long run. Eventually your child will need to be able to function in a small group setting learning group skills like normal children.

It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

Wanted to thank you also…for the reminder of all the good my

daughter brings into my world.

Ps She also enjoys a diet of paper books…she particularly likes

the dictionary. J

From:

sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf

Of DeGroot

Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:18 PM

To: sList

Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

Kriss,

Thank you for your post. I thought my son was the

only kid who sometimes prefers to eat (or at least figure out how to break

bindings and get pictures off of pages) rather than read books

You have to laugh at some things so you don't go crazy,

right? One time I was at a playdate and the other moms couldn't believe

I just smiled at him when he started eating sidewalk chalk and told him that

was silly as I took it away.

Jen H

From: e Silva

Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

To: sList

Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 7:12 PM

Hi Maureen,

I don't know, but for some reason I was drawn to your post/email. I have no

idea why, I just was.

I do not know where or how this email was posted because I

just started to learn how to actually use the yahoo groups. You will see my

emails are all always filled with spelling errors, or my latest ..my

type " O''s.LOL. . Just started saying I have type " O "

pesonalitiy now!

I

have just written a book, and never thought it was going to happen.(Neither

did anyone else, but that didn't matter, I did it for me.) The truth is,

it never would have happened if it were not for my daughter. She suffers from

autism. She is now six. In my book I focus on finding the so called hidden

treasures, and other saying that people say when they really are trying to

help...but just " Don't Get It " However, the things I learned

most from my daughter is to never give up on your child and never give up on

yourself. So this email is for you ,and any one else who wants to read,

listen , and learn.

I was

never told it is OK to grieve! I was always told where to get help, or what

treatment or therapy was or was not worth it. What about the emotions..what

happened to that? Why cas I only told to " suck it up and just be strong,

sorry but ..not reality. We must learn to grive like any one else going

through a loss, and that's what it is in more than one way. And so that is

what I did, and am still doing. Finally I learned to look for the

lessons, and find my answers in each new sign in my life.

Every new challenge, new phase, or new " problem " is truly

just a way of learning. We learn to slowly and eventually " accept "

Only (just speaking from my own experience) we as parents of autistic

or other children with disabilities. .we have to " Accept " over and

over again. Every time I have been through something I thought was never

going to end, or was up all night, or fighing the potty wars, or in our case

now learning to 'Accept " that my daughter is screaming for hours at a

time. With each new phase, you can either take it, toss it, or trade it in.

Meaning learn with each lesson. Do I hate the stares, gastly comments, or eye

ball rolling that I am faced with each day. YES..I do. Then I started to

realise that if I remembered I am leaning with my child, it didn't seem like

she was so alone in this fight. This is why we are their parents ans we are

not the ones who roll theri eyes anymore when we see a Mother struggling with

their child. We now try to help them.despite my everyday troubles I still try

to help those even less fortunate than I am, and my daughter taught me that!

She taught me the true meaning of compassion and unconditional love. Not many

ever learn that in a lifetime!

We didn't

choose this for them, but you know what? They didn't choose this either. In

my book I have a quote. It is " Take Every step forward, Find Every

lost hope, and make Every NEW dream come true. " I also talk about

finding the good in autism..yes thats right, there really is good. If I did

not finally come to believe this, then I would not find good in my child;

because that is a part of her. It may not be her, but still it is a part of

her. I don't want to give too much away, but all my life I have lived with

too many " why mes " , " What ifs " and " Its not

fairs " You know what..it is not fair. It makes me sad, and I take each

weakness after having my own meltdown.. and turn that weakness it into

my strength.

My message that

I am sending to all who read my book or not..is " You are not alone, you

are never alone. " (This goes for our children too.It is something we all

have to learn with each lesson that is given to us. )Religious or not, my

story is about all the angels in my life,including my little girl. I hope you

all learn to find your strength in this not always so nice, sometimes

strange, mysterious, and a little bit crazy world we live in.

One

day I descoved something worse than autism, it was feeling that my daughters

life was not as good as other childrens. She could not talk, nor could I hold

her in my arms without her wanting to leave me in a giant struggle. All

I wanted was her smile back, her hug, and for her to say MaMa. No..not any

more. Today I tell my story and talk about the days where most kids read

book...and laugh as I say, no not my child..she ate them! ( Got lots of fiber

I suppose she needed!) When most children her age were eating at the table

mine was humming or making strange noises. Eventually I said ..well at least

she is eating. Some kids throw their food, or pick their nose at the

table..mine hums! I didn't know it then, but she was, and still is one of my

greatest teachers.

We will never forget that this is " just not fair, " but don't ever

forget it is their spirit that fuels their life.. It is you that are learning

with them, it is you that will be their guide, as they guide you too. I

admire all your strength, for it is you that is there for your children, and

they will never be alone, they will never be forgotten, they will however...

be more loved than you can ever imagaine. You will soon find your answers, as

I have mine with each passing day, and each question I struggle

with.

With each new " Phase " let down, or each new adventure I have

no doubt it will lead you to the right path in your life. " BELIEVE

and you will see, have faith and you will find. " Look for your signs and

follow your heart, yes..in my case..even when I want to turn up my i-pod as

far as it can go! I stop for the day, and find a new tune for my tomorrows,

Kriss

Kriss (WW)

Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

In a message dated 8/23/2008 12:12:53

A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, thecohanescomcast (DOT) net writes:

I feel like I am pulling ay straws

trying to find the reasons for my daughters behavior

What kind of behavior is your child

having? You might want to check out the Feingold Diet. It is very effective

for children extremely reactive to phenols, dyes, chemicals, etc.

Badillo

It's only a deal if it's where you

want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

It’s my same fear. I don’t want her to be

alone in this world…I think that is why I had 2 more children even after

knowing of her diagnosis. J

From:

sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf

Of MAUREEN JESUS

Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:43 PM

To: sList

Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

o ,

I feel just

like you . Everyone tells me to accept it and and to focus on all my sons

hidden treasures but I cant help but feel that he has been cheated out of

something . He does not understand the world for what it is ( a cruel place) ,

I cant help but think of how tough life is going to be for him . Recently my

son started in a typical pre-school and his echolalia is back in full force .

It kills me to hear him repeating these conversations , because I know he is

doing it to try to make sense of a world he does not understand . If I had one

wish , I wish I could get into his mind and see things the way he does so that

I can try to help him understand . I dont wish for him to be different , I just

hope that one day he will learn how to understand the world a litttle better .

Or maybe god can place me in his world too ( I dont want him to feel lonely) ,

I guess that is my worst fear .

Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

In a message dated 8/23/2008 12:12:53 A.M.

Eastern Daylight Time, thecohanescomcast (DOT) net writes:

I feel like I am pulling ay straws

trying to find the reasons for my daughters behavior

What kind of behavior is your child

having? You might want to check out the Feingold Diet. It is very effective for

children extremely reactive to phenols, dyes, chemicals, etc.

Badillo

It's only a deal if it's where you

want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

How do I contact him?

From:

sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf

Of badillo9@...

Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:14 PM

To: sList

Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

In a message dated 8/28/2008 12:19:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, thecohanes@...

writes:

Is Dr. Shaw a DAN? Can we have the testing done w/o the

expense of a full consultation? Do you have the contact info

Dr. Shaw's laboratory is used by most DAN physicians - he is one

of the first doctors 15 years ago to stand up and fight for parents of

autistic children when he saw the profile of vaccines, excessive antibotics and

increased fungus and Candida. He was actually fired from the hospital he was

working at for making a connection between the GI tract and neurological

functioning. After that he founded Great Plains Laboratory. I have testing on

my child from him back to 1994 - Dr. Shaw has come a long way.

You can have your regular pediatrician request a kit from Dr.

Shaw's lab, but he most likely will not understand the results but you can

request a consultation on the results from the lab as a parent.

It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your

travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

I post the info for Dr Shaw like two days ago, but here it goes again.

Call great plains laboratory at 1-.

>

> How do I contact him?

>

>

>

> From: sList

[mailto:sList ] On

> Behalf Of badillo9@...

> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:14 PM

> To: sList

> Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

>

>

>

> In a message dated 8/28/2008 12:19:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> thecohanes@... writes:

>

> Is Dr. Shaw a DAN? Can we have the testing done w/o the expense of

a full

> consultation? Do you have the contact info

>

> Dr. Shaw's laboratory is used by most DAN physicians - he is one of

the

> first doctors 15 years ago to stand up and fight for parents of

autistic

> children when he saw the profile of vaccines, excessive antibotics

and

> increased fungus and Candida. He was actually fired from the

hospital he was

> working at for making a connection between the GI tract and

neurological

> functioning. After that he founded Great Plains Laboratory. I have

testing

> on my child from him back to 1994 - Dr. Shaw has come a long way.

>

>

>

> You can have your regular pediatrician request a kit from Dr.

Shaw's lab,

> but he most likely will not understand the results but you can

request a

> consultation on the results from the lab as a parent.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal

> <http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047>

here.

>

[Guest guest]

How do I contact him?

www.greatplainslaboratory.com It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

I have one younger "typical" daughter and she is a little trooper . When my son ignores her ( which is often) she uses every tactic her little 2 year old mind can come up with to engage him.I also see how frustrated she becomes when her big brother ( Which she idolizes ) does not want to be around her . She will hug him and tell him she loves him (she is very intuitive) , a little mother . My son many times pushes her away and it makes me so upset . I know that he becomes defensive but I hate to see her be regected and she still does not understand why. She has been his best therapist , by far. Even though when their are other children around she tends to leave Ian on his own . She gets so excited that other kids are actually playing with her and she goes to them ( I

cant blame her) . I pray for all of our children . Maybe having a vice-president who is the mother of a disabled child will help us continue our fight and pass some legislature to help our kids . As much as I want to accept my sons autism , I cant help but continue to try and fight for him.

Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

In a message dated 8/23/2008 12:12:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, thecohanescomcast (DOT) net writes:

I feel like I am pulling ay straws trying to find the reasons for my daughters behavior

What kind of behavior is your child having? You might want to check out the Feingold Diet. It is very effective for children extremely reactive to phenols, dyes, chemicals, etc.

Badillo

It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

Thanks,  I am curious to see how he does.  Good luck and keep me

posted.

From:

sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf

Of TinaTerriAustin

Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:14 AM

To: sList

Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION



While

doing all of the biomedical, is correct in that for what you describe

below, would definitly beneift from some really good ABA strategies. This

is called gaining instructional control. Having a good rapport with the

child, pairing reinforcers for tasks (ie. a high five, piece of candy, bubbles

and some over-the-top social praise). Use play to teach her in her

natural environment and build up to the task you want her to complete.

Ignore the perceived negative behaviors and focus on and make a really big deal

of when she is compliant and completes tasks.

Start

small and gradually build up. Be dramatic when she does something

great.

As

far as the yeast, this can also be tested at Great Plains and a systemic yeast

medication such as Diflucan, Nystatin works much faster (with no apparent

die-off, which I hear is nasty) than probiotics alone. Although, it is

still highly recommended most of our kids take probiotics, heck, even us.

My

son takes a slew...3 Culturelles, 1 Super Pro Bio Gold, 3 Threelacs, VSL#3DS

(which is a prescription probiotic), along with Diflucan. I will let

you know in a couple of weeks how that affects his labs. Just sent them

yesterday. His last labs showed he had no, I mean no, good probiotics in

him and continues to have lots of yeast. His poor belly.

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Original Message -----

From: badillo9@aolcom

To: sList

Sent: Monday, August 25,

2008 2:49 PM

Subject: Re:

Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

Biggest issues are inability to attend and focus (more because

she has her own agenda - if she really wanted to converse or complete a

task – she could) and opposition/non compliance – again because she has her own

agenda.

This is classical behavior caused by yeast overgrowth.

Put her on a really good probiotic - like Klaire Labs, Kirkman Labs - I like

the Klaire Therabiotic complete because it has many different strains at 25

billion microorganism. Try and get her to have more protein instead of carbs so

her sugar levels are not increasing. The protein helps with brain functioning -

for instance - start the morning with a protein shake like JayRobb which is

really clean (egg or whey) - Vitamin Shoppe or Tunies is cheaper than

Wholefoods. The protein sustains rather than causing the sugar to elevate and

then drop so the sugar craving starts again because of the drop in energy

level. The protein also helps with keeping kids focused. She might need a

protein enzyme (proteolytic enzymes) to absorb and metabolize the protein

which you can give to her at dinner. Protein bars are nice substitutes for

cookies etc. Cliff Builder Bar has 20gm of protein per bar. In addition to the

probiotic and increased protein, Chromium GTF or Chromium Picolinate

will help stabilize the blood sugar levels and stop the sugar and

carb cravings. Plus you need to get something for the decrease the yeast

preferably in a liquid so you can control the amount with the drops. If she

starts having melt downs, it means that there's too much dieoff and you

need to slow down and give less. Start with three to five drops everyday. You'll

probably need two probiotics a day to clean up the dieoff. Over a period of

time you will see improvement - the issue is you can't rush eradicating yeast

because your child will become impossible to live with.

You can check to see if the healthfood store has a yeast/ Candida

tincture or contact Dr. LeGunn's Office at 561 417-8383 and ask for Yeastaway.

They can mail it to you as well (Boca Raton location) Dr. LeGunn also has the

Klaire Labs probiotic.

You will most definitely see a difference in her with the

reduction in yeast overgrowth. Plus Dr. LeGunn has a great homeopathic like the

Bach Flower Rescue Remedy called " Emotional Trauma " - a few drops

calms them down right away when they get in that defiant mode.

Just as a baseline...you would know if you need the Feingold Diet

if your child is very reactive to chemicals...for

instance. The behaviors are fine and then the

child has a gatorade with all that chemical dye and all of a sudden the

behavior dramatically changes and deteriorates. Some children with dyes can't

even write their name anymore. Doris Rapp's book on " Is This My

Child " explains exactly what happens in these circumstances. These type of

kids do really well on the Feingold Diet.

It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your

travel deal here.

[Guest guest]

Thanks. Sorry for the repeat. I don’t always catch info at the

right time. I didn’t realize Dr Shaw was the same as Great Plains. Appreciate the

resend. J

From:

sList [mailto:sList ] On Behalf

Of celesteleo2725

Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:19 PM

To: sList

Subject: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

I post the info for Dr Shaw like two days ago,

but here it goes again.

Call great plains laboratory at 1-.

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> How do I contact him?

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> From: sList

[mailto:sList ]

On

> Behalf Of badillo9@...

> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:14 PM

> To: sList

> Subject: Re: Re: BIO-MEDICAL INTERVENTION

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> In a message dated 8/28/2008 12:19:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> thecohanes@... writes:

>

> Is Dr. Shaw a DAN? Can we have the testing done w/o the expense of

a full

> consultation? Do you have the contact info

>

> Dr. Shaw's laboratory is used by most DAN physicians - he is one of

the

> first doctors 15 years ago to stand up and fight for parents of

autistic

> children when he saw the profile of vaccines, excessive antibotics

and

> increased fungus and Candida. He was actually fired from the

hospital he was

> working at for making a connection between the GI tract and

neurological

> functioning. After that he founded Great Plains Laboratory. I have

testing

> on my child from him back to 1994 - Dr. Shaw has come a long way.

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>

>

> You can have your regular pediatrician request a kit from Dr.

Shaw's lab,

> but he most likely will not understand the results but you can

request a

> consultation on the results from the lab as a parent.

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> It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal

> <http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047>

here.

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