Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Ok, so, there's confusion about the temperature for the yogurt. Yogurt does need to ferment between 100-110F. I usually set my dehydrator a twitch past the 105F, and that gives me a perfect temperature, but each dehydrator and its location may be different. On page 155 (of the later editions of BTVC), Elaine says, after instructing how to pasteurize the milk, " Cover and cool until it has reached room temperature or below (may be placed in refrigerator to hasten cooling). It is very important that you allow the temperature to drop sufficiently or you will kill the bacterial culture you are now ready to introduce. " Where we get into a headache is, " What defines 'room temperature'? " Please note that nowhere in here does Elaine specify " 77F " or anything similar. Just " room temperature. " Apparently, " room temperature " in Canada is usually 77F or lower! LOL! (I'd have an electric bill up the wazzoo if I kept this house at 77F or lower in the summer!) So someone decided this was the optimum temperature, and must have been what Elaine meant. Unlike those of us who need thermometers, Elaine could touch the side of a cooling pan of milk and KNOW if it was cool enough -- she'd been making yogurt for 40+ years! Where the confusion comes about is that on Elaine's website, approved by Elaine, is the statement " Allow the milk to cool to below 110'F(43C) luke warm temperature (body temperature) or cooler. " Even more confusing is that the original BTVC website, also approved by Elaine, (now T's, since she gave over being webmaster when non-SCD-related health issues got to her), says, " Turn the heat off and allow to cool to between 108 and 112 degrees F. " Please note that neither of these sites says to cool it TO the given temperature. It says to cool it BELOW that temperature. T's site gives the high end of the Yogurt Fairy Comfort Zone, but I've found that temperature range on many yogurt making sites. On the other hand, body temperature is (unless you have low thyroid or a fever) around 98.6F. I take a great hulking chunk of ice out of the ice maker -- yogurt making is so handy for clearing out old, dead ice from the ice maker! -- run the coldest water I can get in the sink (which is usually around 85F in the summer), stopper it, and add the ice. Then I set the milk pan on a rack in the cold water. Never yet had the milk go below 80F -- and I used to feel (since no one had made the Ruling That It Must Be 77F Or Lower), based on what Elaine said, that I was OK. In fact, I went through paroxysms of " Oh, NO! Have I been using bad yogurt all this time?! " when I saw the higher temps on the web site. Until I read what they were actually saying. Problem is, too many people are so eager to get on with their yogurt making that they add the starter AT that temperature, and this can be a problem. So what's the reason, other than needing a specific temperature for people to shoot for, for specifying 77F? The feeling appears to be that unless you activate the starter at a lower temperature and then gently raise it to the incubation temperature, you will shock the yogurt bacteria (aka Yogurt Fairies) and they will not do their thing. I've made yogurt anywhere from 100F to 80F when I added the culture, and it's always turned out fine. BUT, and this is the key point -- some very sensitive people may do better with yogurt made by adding the starter at the lower temperature, and then gently raising it to the fermenting zone. It is NOT, however, a reason to panic if the temperature was 79F or even 90F. You may wish to snarl at yourself about the time and materials wasted, or you may delight a family member by gifting them with some lovely homemade yogurt if you're uncertain. As for how long to ferment, well.... Part of the reason for adding the starter closer to the fermentation point is that it takes less of your time waiting for the milk temperature to come down after you just spent time raising it. You also don't have to let it sit there for a couple of hours and then start timing it. I can tell you that the 90-100F yogurt has usually occurred when I forgot to put the milk on, and then it took longer to heat, and too <expletives deleted> long to cool because I didn't have any ice> and I was <bleep>ing tired and wanted to go to bed! (Every time, I resolve not to forget to start the yogurt right after dinner....) Let's assume that I wasn't running late getting in from water therapy, that I didn't drop the chicken on the floor (where it was promptly eaten by the Dachshund Duo) and that we didn't end up going out to eat, and thus get back late.... To wit, it's only 7p or so, and the milk has cooled as good as it gets in New Orleans, ie, 80F. Well, then, I mix it up (and the milk cools a couple more degrees as I'm pouring it from pan to yogurt container and mixing: I have quite a ritual that I use, but hey, it produces great yogurt every time!), put the container in the dehydrator, set the dehydrator for around 107F (which, allowing for slight heat loss gets me a nice 105F: I tested it with a thermometer and water). Do I then sit around to take my yogurt's temperature at 9p to be sure it's at optimum? No... most likely, I'm in here at the computer typing about making yogurt, or some other SCD thing. What I do is figure that about 2 hours will get it up to speed, and another 24 will see it properly fermented. So I stick a piece of masking tape on the door of the dehydrator with Time + 2 hours (in this case, 9P), and leave the yogurt fairies to get on with it. The following night, probably around 9:30, because I got busy at the computer again, I go in, remove the container, and stick it in the fridge. Yogurt made. Any more questions? — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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