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Orlinda,

I always dilute vegetable juices to. I like kale, pear, dandelion and

ginger. Why do you say your diet is too limited? What are you eating?

> I understand that we are supposed to be very careful about introducing

> new vegetables (and fruits) because we may not be able to digest them,

> but since there isn't really any " digesting " going on when you juice

> vegetables, do you have to be as careful?

>

>

Carol F.

Celiac, SCD 8 years,MCS, Latex Allergy

http://www.celiac.com/authors/143/Carol-Frilegh

http://www.talkaboutcuringautism.org/gfcf-diet/sc-diet.htm

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Orlinda

Juicing is a good idea, but my suggestion is to start slowly -- dilute the juices more than what is usually recommended, because there is still some digestion involved, even if juices are easier to cope with than cooked fruits and veggies.

My experience has been that when I developed and was diagnosed with my upper GI dysfunctions, I could no longer drink vegetable juices, no matter how diluted. I even have issues with some of the fruits I try juicing. I dilute the juices significantly (about 500%), and strain them twice, but still get digestive or immune system reactions. Before I developed the digestive dysfunctions I made my own juices once or twice a week, and had no problems.....

Now I routinely juice a few fruits, strain the juice twice because I can't tolerate fiber these days, and dilute by about 500%. Tastes great, much better than store-bought juices.

You will probably be just fine with juicing, but I just wanted to caution you to start slowly. I've been surprised at how differently my body responds to foods and drinks now that I have digestive (and neurological) issues.

Kim M.

SCD 4+ years

SofOddi dysfunction, GP, IBS-C 4+ years

neurological stuff 2+ years

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I understand that we are supposed to be very careful about introducing new vegetables (and fruits) because we may not be able to digest them, but since there isn't really any "digesting" going on when you juice vegetables, do you have to be as careful?I'm feeling like I've gone too long on too limited of a diet (for a number of reasons) and I need to start getting more nutrients.OrlindaCeliac - 2006SCD - Sept. 2007

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Orlinda, you may try juicing. Just remember to dilute at least half. Katy

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Why do you say your diet is too limited? What are you eating?

> Carol F.

> Celiac, SCD 8 years,MCS, Latex Allergy

Carol,

I'm not eating so limited right now, but I had developed a

sensitivity to certain chemicals in foods. I was just eating iceberg

lettuce with yogurt and a meat, eggs, pears, and golden apples. I

believe my system has cleared as I don't seem to have those problems

any more. Oh, and I do kefir too.

I also need food that is good cold and travels well. I have my own

cooler that goes with me everywhere. " Town " and church are 25 miles

from home and I also work at a camp almost every other weekend during

the school year, and take my own food.

Now I have added in carrots and bananas. I had cauliflower and

broccoli this last week without any known problems. I also have been

making Lucy's Favorite Cookies with date sauce instead of honey. My

stools get loose whenever I have honey. I use almond flour. Oh, and

oranges, sometimes grapefruit.

Orlinda - OR

Celiac - 2006

SCD - Sept. 2007

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Orlinda,

What kefir? How long have you been on SCD? Do you still have symptoms?

What makes kefir different from yogurt is that kefir is fermented

with bacteria and yeast, while yogurt is just fermented with

bacteria. Elaine's position on kefir is more reflective of the

intestinal diseases than autism: she feels that there is the chance

of cross-reactivity between an already-overstimulated immune system

and yeast from kefir. She has

said that kefir is OK for someone whose gut is well along the road to

healing.

> Carol F.

Celiac, SCD 8 years,MCS, Latex Allergy

http://www.celiac.com/authors/143/Carol-Frilegh

http://www.talkaboutcuringautism.org/gfcf-diet/sc-diet.htm

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Carol,

I have been on the diet since Sept. 5th of last year, 4 months. I was

doing perfect as far as I could tell until the holidays when I made

some goodies with honey. It took me a little while to figure out that

it was just the honey that was making my stools loose. I'm not sure

I've totally recovered from that. Oh, and my birthday was right

before Christmas. I didn't go all out, just cookies, cheesecake, and

pizza, I think.

I make my own kefir with raw cow's milk. I have been doing it since

the end of October. I still get a cup of yogurt a day - though not

the last week. I thought at first when I had problems a week ago

Sunday, that maybe my yogurt wasn't done enough. I was too chicken to

try it again. I've just been really busy and then was glad one day I

hadn't started any cause we lost power and I would have ruined a

whole batch of it. I'll be getting it made today.

Orlinda - OR

Celiac - 2006

SCD - Sept. 2007

>

> Orlinda,

> What kefir? How long have you been on SCD? Do you still have

symptoms?

> What makes kefir different from yogurt is that kefir is fermented

> with bacteria and yeast, while yogurt is just fermented with

> bacteria. Elaine's position on kefir is more reflective of the

> intestinal diseases than autism: she feels that there is the

chance

> of cross-reactivity between an already-overstimulated immune

system

> and yeast from kefir. She has

> said that kefir is OK for someone whose gut is well along the road

to

> healing.

>

> > Carol F.

>

> Celiac, SCD 8 years,MCS, Latex Allergy

> http://www.celiac.com/authors/143/Carol-Frilegh

> http://www.talkaboutcuringautism.org/gfcf-diet/sc-diet.htm

>

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I wrote you about the kefir. How do you make it? I think you need to

review this diet.

> Carol,

> I have been on the diet since Sept. 5th of last year, 4 months. I was

> doing perfect as far as I could tell until the holidays when I made

> some goodies with honey. It took me a little while to figure out that

> it was just the honey that was making my stools loose. I'm not sure

> I've totally recovered from that. Oh, and my birthday was right

> before Christmas. I didn't go all out, just cookies, cheesecake, and

> pizza, I think.

>

> I make my own kefir with raw cow's milk. I have been doing it since

> the end of October. I still get a cup of yogurt a day - though not

> the last week. I thought at first when I had problems a week ago

> Sunday, that maybe my yogurt wasn't done enough. I was too chicken to

> try it again. I've just been really busy and then was glad one day I

> hadn't started any cause we lost power and I would have ruined a

> whole batch of it. I'll be getting it made today.

>

> Orlinda - OR

> Celiac - 2006

> SCD - Sept. 2007

>

>

>>

>> Orlinda,

>> What kefir? How long have you been on SCD? Do you still have

> symptoms?

>> What makes kefir different from yogurt is that kefir is fermented

>> with bacteria and yeast, while yogurt is just fermented with

>> bacteria. Elaine's position on kefir is more reflective of the

>> intestinal diseases than autism: she feels that there is the

> chance

>> of cross-reactivity between an already-overstimulated immune

> system

>> and yeast from kefir. She has

>> said that kefir is OK for someone whose gut is well along the road

> to

>> healing.

>>

>>> Carol F.

>>

>> Celiac, SCD 8 years,MCS, Latex Allergy

>> http://www.celiac.com/authors/143/Carol-Frilegh

>> http://www.talkaboutcuringautism.org/gfcf-diet/sc-diet.htm

>>

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Sorry Carol, I didn't understand your question.

I leave the kefir " grains " in the milk at room temperature for 36

hours, sometimes longer. Then I strain them out and start a new batch.

I leave the kefir milk at room temperature for another 12 hours,

sometimes more, in order to get the lactose all gone.

I found the instruction for it off the Healing Crow website.

Orlinda - OR

Celiac - 2006

SCD - Sept. 2007

>

> I wrote you about the kefir. How do you make it? I think you need

to

> review this diet.

>

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Carol,

I just looked at those instructions again that I had found, and I

realize I haven't quite been following them. I think I will take a

break from the kefir for a while and be more careful about it when I

do start it up again.

Thanks for you help.

Orlinda - OR

Celiac - 2006

SCD - Sept. 2007

> >

> > I wrote you about the kefir. How do you make it? I think you

need

> to

> > review this diet.

> >

>

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At 12:01 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:

I found the instruction for it

off the Healing Crow website.

Healing Crow is a great website, but it is not 100% SCD, although it

strongly supports it.

Kefir is good stuff, but like kombucha, it's a mix of bacteria and yeasts

and, like raw milk, it's a very advanced food. I'd strongly recommend

against it given how new you are to the diet.

Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

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