Re: school communications and strange ESOL incident..

[Guest guest]

I would like to comment on two things regarding this. The child was probably put in the ESOL program to boost funding to the school. I believe this, because she was born in this country and speaks clear english without problems. When dealing with anyone in the school system, especially when making a reasonable request, DO IT IN WRITING. This protects you and shows previous on-going communication as to what should be done. If you don't have an advocate, you should consider getting one. G.Subject: school communications and strange ESOL incident..To:

sList Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 4:40 AM

i'm wondering if there had been many people here who have had

experiences where phone claas and verbal communications have been

ignored and dissmissed as non existent. and the one time a letter is

writen it's like this is the first time anyone has ever heard of

anything although one has repeatedley expressed concerns and made

calls that were essentially ignored. and the one time something is

written in paper it's like why didn't you say so before like this is

the first they've heard of such concerns. also my friend whose

happens to be haitian, have had hr child go thorugh ESOL, by the

schools recommendation have other schools insist that this is an

issue although the child was born and raised here, english is her

primary language, and her english is crisp clear as any other

american child? so why was she tossed in ESOL and why was the

principal so vehement in defending such recomendation? if following

his reasoning than all of mine meices and nephews who come from

multilingual homes should have met the same persitence that our kids

need ESOL simply on the basis that a secondary language is being used

at home. and NEVER had a met such ferver and vehemence as ESOL

consideration taking seriously and considered beofre something like a

learning disabilit eval to take place. this child i know very well,

has absolutely no problems with her english, and is so blatantly ADHD

it's noticeable. and his first thought is ESOL? i kept staring at him

while he defended his ESOL theory to the hilt. never experienced such

a thing ever. sure she's haitian, but she's haitian american, born

and raised and obviouosly speaking english as any typical american

child does who may or may not have bilingual backgrounds. i felt sick

feeling this child was her parent was given the run around and

railroaded simply on the basis of her nationality. he just wouldn't

let it go. i mean on his reasoning alone then all students who were

born and raised in the US who come from bilingual homes but whose

parents have stated that english is their primary language should all

be ignored and should go through ESOL before having an evaluation for

a learning disability done. the mother and i explained that the child

can't even read creole, while she does read english, that she has

been completely immersed in american english televisdion, education,

language, friends with numerous non haitians kids, and has been

exposed to english way more often than she has with creole. he simply

didn't make sense. i've spoken to family members and friends and from

what i gathered ESOL has been persued with such persistence for

children who were born and raised in other countires and not really

been an issue with clear and everday average english kids where if

they spoke you wouldn't tell which child had the bilingual haitian

background and which child had an english only background? have any

parents also experienced this illogical persistence in ESOL for a

perfectly english competent child born and raised here and

indistinguishable from english only stdents? i felt so concerned that

race and nationality was an issue here but need to sound off. for

although all of our kids and cousins kids have all had multilingual

backgrounds and requested LD evals to take place no one that we have

recalled ever pursued ESOL as a necassary avenue to explore in our

kids and she speaks just as well as our kids. multiple languages are

spoken at home, hebrew and spanish, why wasn't ESOL agressively

pursued as it was with this child? why were we treated so

differently. i couldn't help but feel that being haitian they were

being treated this way and dissmissed. please respond. it really

bugged me something awful. i felt so terrible for them. i mean we

meet with resistence but they didn't even pretend. it seemed so

obvious that this was an issue.

[Guest guest]

would like to comment on two things regarding this.  The child was

probably put in the ESOL program to boost funding to the school.  I

believe this, because she was born in this country and speaks clear

english without problems.  When dealing with anyone in the school

system, especially when making a reasonable request, DO IT IN WRITING. 

This protects you and shows previous on-going communication as to what

should be done.  If you don't have an advocate, you should consider

getting one.

Re: school communications and strange ESOL

incident..

thanks i was so upset i could barely make write. we are not going to

let things go. we'll cntact an dvocate and i've written another letter.

her english is as clear and crisp as the average american child born

and bred here. no one will ever tell her from a child from english only

backdrop.

i just went to sit in with the parent who as requesting an evaluation

as her childs learning disabilities have been so long ignored. she's a

preemie, and everyone knows how common LD's and other issues be so

common in the mini babies. but she needs ESE not ESOL, she rites

backwords too. she look quite aspi or adhd with such other issues. i

took hours cleaning up my letter and i=2

0will not let this go next time

we'll rcord the meeting. our nurse looks after us well i don't want her

girl to rot in ESOL.

is there a difference in funding to te school from ESE and ESOL?

someone mentioned ESE has the headaches of IEP's and Mckay for the

school to deal with while ESOL would be a better convenient program to

toss kids they can get away with into.

is there some sort of internal affairs for school admin or principal,

for racist behaviors? there was much emphasis on hr being haitian and

neding this service because of it. and why would ESOL b a more logic

option for a child born and raised here with immaclate english? why the

fact that she looks lika walking poster for adhd and was a preemie? and

from some numbers i got from some preemie lists that as much as 80

percent of preemies strugle or deal with LD's. but ESOL is the the

theory that makes more sense to all of them? that makes no sense. they

were deliberate in their actions. i should not sit quiet after

witnessing such display of racism. our tax dollars should not be paying

for racist behaviors. it should not be tolerated. i checked with the

ACLU of broward county. and will contact them tomorrow. i am describig

the racism behavior and attitude. how obscene to ignore and propose

that it's more probable that it's a social thing and not an LD. uh

hello, she was a preemie and at risk for LD becaause of

it but she was

tossed into ESOL before and then in regular class again and then now

they want her there again. i a calling help me howard or miami herad

anyone that will investigate racism from school amins towards

vulnerable parents. i know they (school nazi's) get in all of our way i

been there. but their behavior is much uglier when it' toward

vulnerable parents, say haitian or latinamerican parents who don't know

much about what their rights are.

from what i've seen and this was the second time i sat with limited

english parent. they get treated much worse. when we left our nurse was

jesus crying. it bugged me beore. infuriated me this time around. it's

too oten i see such behavior now. no chool administrator should get

away with blatant discriminatory practices. it should be confronted and

named for what it is.

i'm still angry. sorry..

j.h

rst time anyone has ever heard of

anything although one has repeatedley expressed concerns and made

calls that were essentially ignored. and the one time something is

written in paper it's like why didn't you say so before like this is

the first they've heard of such concerns. also my friend whose

happens to be haitian, have had hr child go thorugh ESOL, by the

schools recommendation have other schools insist that this is an

issue although the child was born and raised here, english is her

primary language, and her english is crisp clea

r as any other

american child? so why was she tossed in ESOL and why was the

principal so vehement in defending such recomendation? if following

his reasoning than all of mine meices and nephews who come from

multilingual homes should have met the same persitence that our kids

need ESOL simply on the basis that a secondary language is being used

at home. and NEVER had a met such ferver and vehemence as ESOL

consideration taking seriously and considered beofre something like a

learning disabilit eval to take place. this child i know very well,

has absolutely no problems with her english, and is so blatantly ADHD

it's noticeable. and his first thought is ESOL? i kept staring at him

while he defended his ESOL theory to the hilt. never experienced such

a thing ever. sure she's haitian, but she's haitian american, born

and raised and obviouosly speaking english as any typical american

child does who may or may not have bilingual backgrounds. i felt sick

feeling this child was her parent was given the run around and

railroaded simply on the basis of her nationality. he just wouldn't

let it go. i mean on his reasoning alone then all students who were

born and raised in the US who come from bilingual homes but whose

parents have stated that english is their primary language should all

be ignored and should go through ESOL before having an evaluation for

a learning disability done. the mother and i explained that the child

can't even read creole, while=2

0she does read english, that she has

been completely immersed in american english televisdion, education,

language, friends with numerous non haitians kids, and has been

exposed to english way more often than she has with creole. he simply

didn't make sense. i've spoken to family members and friends and from

what i gathered ESOL has been persued with such persistence for

children who were born and raised in other countires and not really

been an issue with clear and everday average english kids where if

they spoke you wouldn't tell which child had the bilingual haitian

background and which child had an english only background? have any

parents also experienced this illogical persistence in ESOL for a

perfectly english competent child born and raised here and

indistinguishable from english only stdents? i felt so concerned that

race and nationality was an issue here but need to sound off. for

although all of our kids and cousins kids have all had multilingual

backgrounds and requested LD evals to take place no one that we have

recalled ever pursued ESOL as a necassary avenue to explore in our

kids and she speaks just as well as our kids. multiple languages are

spoken at home, hebrew and spanish, why wasn't ESOL agressively

pursued as it was with this child? why were we treated so

differently. i couldn't help but feel that being haitian they were

being treated this way and dissmissed. please respond. it really

bugged me something awful. i felt so terrible for

them. i mean we

meet with resistence but they didn't even pretend. it seemed so

obvious that this was an issue.

[Guest guest]

Yes the funding levels are different. Perhaps someone from one of the following agencies can assist you:Thw HAP Coalition1040 N.W. 10 Avenue, Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33311 ** Phone: FAX: E-Mail: HAPCoalition@...____________________Pierre Toussaint Haitian Center130 NE 62nd Street Miami, FL 33138pierretoussaint@... American Friends Immigrant ServicesSouth Dade Office Tower 110700 Caribbean Blvd.Ste. 301Miami, FL 33189Phone: Fax: Lucio -ReynozoEmail: L-Reynozo@...Subject: Re: school communications and strange ESOL incident..To: sList Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 1:30 AM

would like to comment on two things regarding this. The child was

probably put in the ESOL program to boost funding to the school. I

believe this, because she was born in this country and speaks clear

english without problems. When dealing with anyone in the school

system, especially when making a reasonable request, DO IT IN WRITING.

This protects you and shows previous on-going communication as to what

should be done. If you don't have an advocate, you should consider

getting one.

Re: school communications and strange ESOL

incident..

thanks i was so upset i could barely make write. we are not going to

let things go. we'll cntact an dvocate and i've written another letter.

her english is as clear and crisp as the average american child born

and bred here. no one will ever tell her from a child from english only

backdrop.

i just went to sit in with the parent who as requesting an evaluation

as her childs learning disabilities have been so long ignored. she's a

preemie, and everyone knows how common LD's and other issues be so

common in the mini babies. but she needs ESE not ESOL, she rites

backwords too. she look quite aspi or adhd with such other issues. i

took hours cleaning up my letter and i=2

0will not let this go next time

we'll rcord the meeting. our nurse looks after us well i don't want her

girl to rot in ESOL.

is there a difference in funding to te school from ESE and ESOL?

someone mentioned ESE has the headaches of IEP's and Mckay for the

school to deal with while ESOL would be a better convenient program to

toss kids they can get away with into.

is there some sort of internal affairs for school admin or principal,

for racist behaviors? there was much emphasis on hr being haitian and

neding this service because of it. and why would ESOL b a more logic

option for a child born and raised here with immaclate english? why the

fact that she looks lika walking poster for adhd and was a preemie? and

from some numbers i got from some preemie lists that as much as 80

percent of preemies strugle or deal with LD's. but ESOL is the the

theory that makes more sense to all of them? that makes no sense. they

were deliberate in their actions. i should not sit quiet after

witnessing such display of racism. our tax dollars should not be paying

for racist behaviors. it should not be tolerated. i checked with the

ACLU of broward county. and will contact them tomorrow. i am describig

the racism behavior and attitude. how obscene to ignore and propose

that it's more probable that it's a social thing and not an LD. uh

hello, she was a preemie and at risk for LD becaause of

it but she was

tossed into ESOL before and then in regular class again and then now

they want her there again. i a calling help me howard or miami herad

anyone that will investigate racism from school amins towards

vulnerable parents. i know they (school nazi's) get in all of our way i

been there. but their behavior is much uglier when it' toward

vulnerable parents, say haitian or latinamerican parents who don't know

much about what their rights are.

from what i've seen and this was the second time i sat with limited

english parent. they get treated much worse. when we left our nurse was

jesus crying. it bugged me beore. infuriated me this time around. it's

too oten i see such behavior now. no chool administrator should get

away with blatant discriminatory practices. it should be confronted and

named for what it is.

i'm still angry. sorry..

j.h

rst time anyone has ever heard of

anything although one has repeatedley expressed concerns and made

calls that were essentially ignored. and the one time something is

written in paper it's like why didn't you say so before like this is

the first they've heard of such concerns. also my friend whose

happens to be haitian, have had hr child go thorugh ESOL, by the

schools recommendation have other schools insist that this is an

issue although the child was born and raised here, english is her

primary language, and her english is crisp clea

r as any other

american child? so why was she tossed in ESOL and why was the

principal so vehement in defending such recomendation? if following

his reasoning than all of mine meices and nephews who come from

multilingual homes should have met the same persitence that our kids

need ESOL simply on the basis that a secondary language is being used

at home. and NEVER had a met such ferver and vehemence as ESOL

consideration taking seriously and considered beofre something like a

learning disabilit eval to take place. this child i know very well,

has absolutely no problems with her english, and is so blatantly ADHD

it's noticeable. and his first thought is ESOL? i kept staring at him

while he defended his ESOL theory to the hilt. never experienced such

a thing ever. sure she's haitian, but she's haitian american, born

and raised and obviouosly speaking english as any typical american

child does who may or may not have bilingual backgrounds. i felt sick

feeling this child was her parent was given the run around and

railroaded simply on the basis of her nationality. he just wouldn't

let it go. i mean on his reasoning alone then all students who were

born and raised in the US who come from bilingual homes but whose

parents have stated that english is their primary language should all

be ignored and should go through ESOL before having an evaluation for

a learning disability done. the mother and i explained that the child

can't even read creole, while=2

0she does read english, that she has

been completely immersed in american english televisdion, education,

language, friends with numerous non haitians kids, and has been

exposed to english way more often than she has with creole. he simply

didn't make sense. i've spoken to family members and friends and from

what i gathered ESOL has been persued with such persistence for

children who were born and raised in other countires and not really

been an issue with clear and everday average english kids where if

they spoke you wouldn't tell which child had the bilingual haitian

background and which child had an english only background? have any

parents also experienced this illogical persistence in ESOL for a

perfectly english competent child born and raised here and

indistinguishable from english only stdents? i felt so concerned that

race and nationality was an issue here but need to sound off. for

although all of our kids and cousins kids have all had multilingual

backgrounds and requested LD evals to take place no one that we have

recalled ever pursued ESOL as a necassary avenue to explore in our

kids and she speaks just as well as our kids. multiple languages are

spoken at home, hebrew and spanish, why wasn't ESOL agressively

pursued as it was with this child? why were we treated so

differently. i couldn't help but feel that being haitian they were

being treated this way and dissmissed. please respond. it really

bugged me something awful. i felt so terrible for

them. i mean we

meet with resistence but they didn't even pretend. it seemed so

obvious that this was an issue.