Re: Buttermilk versus Kefir

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Susie, Kefir is not advised until alot of healing has already taken place. Kefir is a fermented drink, that is why you use the grains. Katy

Hi,I've been reading, trying to figure out why you can ferment the yogurtlonger to remove the lactose, but was wondering why you could not dothe same with buttermilk. Then I found out that you CAN ferment kefirlonger and it is then okay to drink, just like the yogurt.I love homemade Kefir, so I am going to order some grains. But I wasjust wondering about the buttermilk, if anyones knows. Susie

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Hi Katy,

I am just starting reading the book.  Is that info in the book?

Susie

kplatt@... wrote:

Susie,  Kefir is not advised until alot of

healing has already taken place.  Kefir is a fermented drink, that is

why you use the grains.   Katy

 

Hi,

I've been reading, trying to figure out why you can ferment the yogurt

longer to remove the lactose, but was wondering why you could not do

the same with buttermilk.  Then I found out that you CAN ferment kefir

longer and it is then okay to drink, just like the yogurt.

I love homemade Kefir, so I am going to order some grains.  But I was

just wondering about the buttermilk, if anyones knows. 

Susie

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Susie, a good place to go is www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info There is alot of information about all kinds of food at Elaine website. Katy

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Pecanbread.com has some great information on starting SCD. There is a table about midway down the page on the first link below which outlines the most tolerable way for most people to intro food; however, kefir isn't listed. I'm not sure about the book. I follow the guideline very religiously since Feb 5 and still keep going back to the intro phase because it seems like everytime I try to add something from Phase 1 besides cooked carrots and apples I have problems for a few days. Even though yogurt and DCCC are listed as intro items, I still can't eat them without having a setback. However, I'm off my meds and my symptoms are so much better. I didn't start doing the intro diet on Jan 5 and continued to have so many problems. The day after I started the intro diet, the pain in my gut went away totally!!!!!!!!! It was awesome. Here is the link to the intro diet and the table of

how to intro food on the pecanbread site. http://www.pecanbread.com/new/scdfoods1.html#intro Also here is a link to SCD and fermented products from the same site. http://www.pecanbread.com/new/fermented1.html Lastly, here is the link to the intro diet on the BTVC.info site which gives more specific instructions on preparing the intro meals. http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/the_intro_diet2.htm The cheesecake is really good, but the combo of the yogurt and cheese don't agree with my gut. ***sighing***. It was so yummy with cooked apples/honey/butter/cinnamon on top of it. Hope

this info helps. Misty Kimble , LA CD SCD - Jan 5 08Susie wrote: Hi Katy,I am just starting reading the book. Is that info in the book?Susiekplattjuno wrote: Susie, Kefir is not advised until alot of healing has already taken

place. Kefir is a fermented drink, that is why you use the grains. Katy Hi,I've been reading, trying to figure out why you can ferment the yogurtlonger to remove the lactose, but was wondering why you could not dothe same with buttermilk. Then I found out that you CAN ferment kefirlonger and it is then okay to drink, just like the yogurt.I love homemade Kefir, so I am going to order some grains. But I wasjust wondering about the buttermilk, if anyones knows. Susie_____________________________________________________________Shop & save on a huge selection of bathroom accessories. Click now!

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Susie,

No, I don't think that info is in the book, but this is part of what

what the website says -

From Elaine:

Kefir is a yeast fermentation which produces alcohol. So the yogurt

made from Kefir grains will have a good deal of alcohol. Furthermore,

upon checking, I have found that after a 24 hour fermentation there

is 5% lactose remaining in kefir fermented milk. Kefir is a wonderful

food but I cannot recommend it until the child is well.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/kefir.htm

I'm not sure how long you've been on the diet or what you are dealing

with, but I would NOT drink kefir. I WAS drinking kefir and we had

quite a discussion about it in the beginning of January. It is a very

advanced food. I missed the part where Elaine said not " until the

child is well " .

None of us can change what Elaine said or determine new foods to be

officially legal or illegal. But according to the research I did

after getting into so much trouble for drinking kefir I think it

should not be legal. The research I found indicated that kefir has

the same problem as kombucha - polysacchardies. I have paid dearly

for this mistake, and unless you are well, I urge you not to go there.

Orlinda - OR

Celiac - 2006

SCD - Sept. 2007

>

> Hi Katy,

> I am just starting reading the book. Is that info in the book?

> Susie

>

[Guest guest]

Oddly enough, I was thinking that removing the kefir might have caused

my intestinal health to go backwards. I don't know for sure, but I had

my own milk goats and was making my own kefir and I was having no

stomach problems. Life got in the way and I stopped the kefir and now

my stomach is worse than it's ever been. Guess I'll have to chew on

the matter awhile. Thanks for the info!

Thanks,

Susie

Beginner SCD

Orlinda wrote:

Susie,

No, I don't think that info is in the book, but this is part of what

what the website says -

>From Elaine:

Kefir is a yeast fermentation which produces alcohol. So the yogurt

made from Kefir grains will have a good deal of alcohol. Furthermore,

upon checking, I have found that after a 24 hour fermentation there

is 5% lactose remaining in kefir fermented milk. Kefir is a wonderful

food but I cannot recommend it until the child is well.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/kefir.htm

I'm not sure how long you've been on the diet or what you are dealing

with, but I would NOT drink kefir. I WAS drinking kefir and we had

quite a discussion about it in the beginning of January. It is a very

advanced food. I missed the part where Elaine said not "until the

child is well".

None of us can change what Elaine said or determine new foods to be

officially legal or illegal. But according to the research I did

after getting into so much trouble for drinking kefir I think it

should not be legal. The research I found indicated that kefir has

the same problem as kombucha - polysacchardies. I have paid dearly

for this mistake, and unless you are well, I urge you not to go there.

Orlinda - OR

Celiac - 2006

SCD - Sept. 2007

>

> Hi Katy,

> I am just starting reading the book. Is that info in the book?

> Susie

>