Re: Projecting tumour shape

[Guest guest]

Perhaps he is talking about a saturation biopsy where upwards of 80 samples are taken. The biopsy needles are inserted using a grid and where any cancer cells are collected can be monitored so the computer software can develop a likely image of the tumour. Such a technique is used in the UK before HIFU treatment. I can't remember the details but I'm sure there are details of the technique on www.ukhifu.co.uk

Malaga,Spain

Projecting tumour shape

I have had some Off List correspondence which is somewhat critical of the information I gave to a young man with what appears to be a very low risk diagnosis. In the course of this correspondence the man says <snip> For examples, here in the states, the software programs can project tumor shape and volume based on the biopsy sample. <snip>

I cannot imagine how this could possibly be true and I have asked for references, but does anyone else know about this amazing software?

All the best

Terry Herbert

I have no medical qualifications but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since then.

My sites are at www.yananow.net and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

Dr “Snuffy” Myers : "As a physician, I am painfully aware that most of the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made with inadequate data"

[Guest guest]

Just had another look at the UKHIFU site and really most of the info re the saturation biopsy is on another site called www.prostatemapping.com

Haven't read it in full again as I'm post TX anyway but I did read it all (and more that University College London sent me while I was considering taking part in their trial) before deciding on IGRT.

Spain

Projecting tumour shape

I have had some Off List correspondence which is somewhat critical of the information I gave to a young man with what appears to be a very low risk diagnosis. In the course of this correspondence the man says <snip> For examples, here in the states, the software programs can project tumor shape and volume based on the biopsy sample. <snip>

I cannot imagine how this could possibly be true and I have asked for references, but does anyone else know about this amazing software?

All the best

Terry Herbert

I have no medical qualifications but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since then.

My sites are at www.yananow.net and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

Dr “Snuffy” Myers : "As a physician, I am painfully aware that most of the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made with inadequate data"

[Guest guest]

I thought he might mean the mapping biopsy

initially, although that seemed to be ‘over-kill’ as a second

biopsy for a man with one needle of positive GS 6 as an initial result, but as

he now explains:

<snip>…. the program is

deployed at all the world class research and science centers such as Sloan,

Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic, and where the twelve sections of the

prostate are arrayed to configure before and after comparisons of the biopsy

with those patterns prevalent in their archives of post-op pathological

slides. In some cases, Hopkins

has close to 25K. It simply is a game of possibilities building on historical

data to focus on predicting the characteristics before an operation, merely

another data point. <snip>

Just how you’d project a shape from

one positive needle, even with all this data is quite beyond me!!

All the best

Terry Herbert

I have no medical qualifications

but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since then.

My sites are at www.yananow.net and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

Dr

“Snuffy” Myers : " As a physician, I am painfully aware that most of

the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made with inadequate

data "

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of elhorizonte

Sent: Monday, 18 January 2010 6:20

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To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: Re:

Projecting tumour shape

Just had another look at the UKHIFU site and really most of

the info re the saturation biopsy is on another site called www.prostatemapping.com

Haven't read it in full again as I'm post TX anyway but I did

read it all (and more that University College London sent me while I was

considering taking part in their trial) before deciding on IGRT.

Spain

Projecting tumour shape

I

have had some Off List correspondence which is somewhat critical of the

information I gave to a young man with what appears to be a very low risk

diagnosis. In the course of this correspondence the man says <snip> For

examples, here in the states, the software programs can project tumor shape and

volume based on the biopsy sample. <snip>

I

cannot imagine how this could possibly be true and I have asked for references,

but does anyone else know about this amazing software?

All the best

Terry

Herbert

I have no medical qualifications but I was diagnosed

in ‘96: and have learned a bit since then.

My sites are at www.yananow.net

and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

Dr

“Snuffy” Myers : " As a

physician, I am painfully aware that most of the decisions we make with regard

to prostate cancer are made with inadequate data "

[Guest guest]

Hi Guys,

I went to MD Last Thursday for my first meeting with the Prostrate Cancer Dept. You can tell they think they are the best and I was impressed by some things. It was suggested I get the best to take care of my PC Cancer. I finally found out my Gleason score 7. I was scheduled for a whole day of test- Ct and Bone scan and blood tests as well.

My veins are very hard to find abd they tend to roll as well. I am also Needle phobic so when then tried to do a IV on me. Well they tried many times and had to cancel one test because they could not find a vein. I wanted them to find the blood vessels and they did not. They sent me up to Infusion and they lady a vein finder snd it was still a struggle. By then I had z zanex , one norvac, two tramadal and two Ibuprofen and two tylenol. At 8pm that they finally got a IV in and working. Gentlemen I felt every millimete they slipped that IV inside my veins and /or skin when they missed. All the other test from other places did not have a long 1 and half inches long. It hurt and given my needle phobicI wanted so bad to say to hell with it and go home.The infusion put the same needle in and it still hurt but because of the meds I took I was able to tolerate it better.

Guys I am a former psyhotherapist and I have tried get over it and have done everything I can think of to get over my Needle Phobia. If this is what happens just for the test how will I tolerate chemo.

Suggestions on how to get make veins cooperate better. Usually I can normally tolerate two sticks and their diggin around. How can I make veins better it hurt-I mean really hurt. No it is not in my head. So help me with this problem does not goaway I an afraid I might throw in the tool right brfor..........

I stuck with MD because many of you suggest I get a the best.

Tom

To: The Prostate Problems Mailing List ; ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 2:21:49 PMSubject: Projecting tumour shape

I have had some Off List correspondence which is somewhat critical of the information I gave to a young man with what appears to be a very low risk diagnosis. In the course of this correspondence the man says <snip> For examples, here in the states, the software programs can project tumor shape and volume based on the biopsy sample. <snip>

I cannot imagine how this could possibly be true and I have asked for references, but does anyone else know about this amazing software?

All the best

Terry Herbert

I have no medical qualifications but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since then.

My sites are at www.yananow. net and www.prostatecancerw atchfulwaiting. co.za

Dr “Snuffy†Myers : "As a physician, I am painfully aware that most of the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made with inadequate data"