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Anyone have any luck reducing swelling, stiffness or pain through elimination of

salt/

sodium?

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In a message dated 7/26/2004 7:00:30 AM Central Standard Time, freelancedrafting@... writes:

Hi ,

I've been on a reduced salt diet for over a year. It has helped keep the swelling and some of the stiffness down. However, it's not a cure; just a help. It is most helpful when I'm on Prednisone because I tend to hold water on that med. Once I got on Enbrel and off Prednisone, my joints really started getting better in regard to pain. I'm still maintaining the low sodium because of my husband's high blood pressure but I seem to have more tolerance for salt now that I'm off Prednisone.

Hi folks,

When I started Predinsone a month ago, the swelling went down, so I can actually

see the veins on the tops of my feet and I can close my hands.

One thing that has really been bothering me - and I will start tapering off on the Prednisone this week - is the Charley Horses in the calves of my legs!

It wakes me up at 5:30 in the morning at least once a week with the longest, most incredible Charley Horses I have ever had!

I have increased my intake of calcium and water, but I keep getting them.

It would be that my activity level has increased since I started being treated for RA.

Becky

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-----Original Message-----From: H. [mailto:wendyhollander@...]Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 20:37Rheumatoid Arthritis Subject: saltAnyone have any luck reducing swelling, stiffness or pain through elimination of salt/sodium?

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In a message dated 7/26/04 8:38:06 PM, chaospearl@... writes:

hese days?  Eff the diets.  I eat twinkies for breakfast with Coca-Cola.  I

love steaks and prime ribs so rare they're bloody.  I eat tomatoes and bell

peppers and mushrooms with ranch dressing that isn't low-fat or low-carb or

low-taste.  I drink two or three cups of coffee a day.  I dump salt onto

everything.  I love Mc's and Subway sandwiches with mayonnaise and

KFC.  French fries!  Hot dogs!  Chocolate shakes!

I do the same.

I don't think what you eat makes that much difference.

Just do not eat too much, or too much of one thing.......weight is hard on the joints.

Eat in moderation, but eat what you want....to a point.

Be reasonable.

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An opinion from the other side of the salt cellar...

I was first diagnosed when I was twelve, so for a while my parents had

complete control over my treatments. They were willing to have me stuck

with needles and poison pumped through my veins and days straight of nothing

but vomiting and crying, so putting me on various diets wasn't too much of a

hardship. I did the no-nightshade diet, the no-red-meat diet, the seafood

and iodine diet, the no-dairy diet, the no-salt-or-sugar diet, and probably

a few others I've blocked from memory. When I was somewhere in the teenage

years I hit anorexic weight levels and it wasn't because I refused to eat;

it was because I wasn't allowed to eat anything besides tofu and rice cakes

or some other crap. No offense intended to those of you who enjoy tofu and

rice cakes.

None of it worked for me, obviously. A school nutritionist who I will

forever be in debt to finally convinced my parents to let me eat whatever I

wanted because I was wasting away to nothing and completely miserable doing

it. My arthritis showed no improvement regardless of what I did or didn't

eat and even if it had, I'm not sure the price would've been worth it.

That's a judgement you have to make for yourself: is the amount of pain

relief you receive worth the sacrifice of whatever you're forced to give up?

It depends on how much of that pain relief you get, and what you're giving

in return.

These days? Eff the diets. I eat twinkies for breakfast with Coca-Cola. I

love steaks and prime ribs so rare they're bloody. I eat tomatoes and bell

peppers and mushrooms with ranch dressing that isn't low-fat or low-carb or

low-taste. I drink two or three cups of coffee a day. I dump salt onto

everything. I love Mc's and Subway sandwiches with mayonnaise and

KFC. French fries! Hot dogs! Chocolate shakes!

I can't eat very much of anything because being full tends to make me

nauseated, and for someone who eats as little as I do, when I do eat, I make

sure it's something that tastes good. I'm five feet tall and weigh a

hundred pounds soaking wet.

The moral of the story: If you decide to try the various " NO " diets, that's

your prerogative. It's probably a good idea to try them for a few weeks

before dismissing the idea. I've heard from people who felt much better on

no salt or no meat or no dairy. I'm just not one of them. To be honest I

think it's more placebo effect than anything, but if that's what works for

you, do it! I'd rather be healthy and pain-free because of some weird

psychosomatic thing than because of prednisone.

But.

If you try the NO diet and it doesn't help after two weeks, don't make

yourself miserable by denying the pleasure of McLunch for no apparent reason

other than you've heard it worked for the friend of a cousin's boss. Try

something else. Start eating salt again and eliminate dairy for a week

instead to see if that makes any difference. If it doesn't, have yourself a

big glass of chocolate milk and spend a few weeks avoiding red meat. Trust

me, there is no shortage of NO diets that various people will swear worked

miracles for their son's best friend's dog.

Jenni

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Hi ,

Yes, I notice I swell up when I eat dairy and too much salt. I feel better

when I cut down.

Eva

----- Original Message -----

From: " H. " <wendyhollander@...>

<Rheumatoid Arthritis >

Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:37 PM

Subject: salt

> Anyone have any luck reducing swelling, stiffness or pain through

> elimination of salt/

> sodium?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Becky,

When I get a charley horse or cramps in my neck and muscles, I make sure I am getting potassium and also magnesium. I find that liquid cal/magnesium supplement from Blue Bonnet works really well. I get the blueberry flavor and I buy it from the health store. It works immediately for me.

Good luck.

Eva

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From: StarsHutch@...

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:43 PM

Subject: Re: salt

In a message dated 7/26/2004 7:00:30 AM Central Standard Time, freelancedrafting@... writes:

Hi ,I've been on a reduced salt diet for over a year. It has helped keep the swelling and some of the stiffness down. However, it's not a cure; just a help. It is most helpful when I'm on Prednisone because I tend to hold water on that med. Once I got on Enbrel and off Prednisone, my joints really started getting better in regard to pain. I'm still maintaining the low sodium because of my husband's high blood pressure but I seem to have more tolerance for salt now that I'm off Prednisone. Hi folks,When I started Predinsone a month ago, the swelling went down, so I can actuallysee the veins on the tops of my feet and I can close my hands.One thing that has really been bothering me - and I will start tapering off on the Prednisone this week - is the Charley Horses in the calves of my legs!It wakes me up at 5:30 in the morning at least once a week with the longest, most incredible Charley Horses I have ever had!I have increased my intake of calcium and water, but I keep getting them.It would be that my activity level has increased since I started being treated for RA.Becky Glaser & Soul are the Real Starsky & Hutch! http://www.geocities.com/starskyhutch4evrhttp://www.geocities.com/glasersoulfargas2004/

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Dear Jenni,

How refreshing to read your response to the elimination diets. I too, have

tried all kinds of eliminations from my diet. I also have fibromylagia and

interstitial cystitis and eliminating tomatoes and soy prevents my bladder

from burning and peeing too often. Also the sodium nitrates and msg cause

me to have headaches and muscle pains. I also avoid a lot of additives to

foods because they do cause me pain in the body, otherwise, the rest of the

food does not seem to bother me that much.

Thanks for your letter.

Take Care. Eva

----- Original Message -----

From: " Jenni " <chaospearl@...>

<Rheumatoid Arthritis >

Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:35 PM

Subject: Re: salt

> An opinion from the other side of the salt cellar...

>

> I was first diagnosed when I was twelve, so for a while my parents had

> complete control over my treatments. They were willing to have me stuck

> with needles and poison pumped through my veins and days straight of

> nothing

> but vomiting and crying, so putting me on various diets wasn't too much of

> a

> hardship. I did the no-nightshade diet, the no-red-meat diet, the seafood

> and iodine diet, the no-dairy diet, the no-salt-or-sugar diet, and

> probably

> a few others I've blocked from memory. When I was somewhere in the

> teenage

> years I hit anorexic weight levels and it wasn't because I refused to eat;

> it was because I wasn't allowed to eat anything besides tofu and rice

> cakes

> or some other crap. No offense intended to those of you who enjoy tofu

> and

> rice cakes.

>

> None of it worked for me, obviously. A school nutritionist who I will

> forever be in debt to finally convinced my parents to let me eat whatever

> I

> wanted because I was wasting away to nothing and completely miserable

> doing

> it. My arthritis showed no improvement regardless of what I did or didn't

> eat and even if it had, I'm not sure the price would've been worth it.

> That's a judgement you have to make for yourself: is the amount of pain

> relief you receive worth the sacrifice of whatever you're forced to give

> up?

> It depends on how much of that pain relief you get, and what you're giving

> in return.

>

> These days? Eff the diets. I eat twinkies for breakfast with Coca-Cola.

> I

> love steaks and prime ribs so rare they're bloody. I eat tomatoes and

> bell

> peppers and mushrooms with ranch dressing that isn't low-fat or low-carb

> or

> low-taste. I drink two or three cups of coffee a day. I dump salt onto

> everything. I love Mc's and Subway sandwiches with mayonnaise and

> KFC. French fries! Hot dogs! Chocolate shakes!

>

> I can't eat very much of anything because being full tends to make me

> nauseated, and for someone who eats as little as I do, when I do eat, I

> make

> sure it's something that tastes good. I'm five feet tall and weigh a

> hundred pounds soaking wet.

>

> The moral of the story: If you decide to try the various " NO " diets,

> that's

> your prerogative. It's probably a good idea to try them for a few weeks

> before dismissing the idea. I've heard from people who felt much better

> on

> no salt or no meat or no dairy. I'm just not one of them. To be honest I

> think it's more placebo effect than anything, but if that's what works for

> you, do it! I'd rather be healthy and pain-free because of some weird

> psychosomatic thing than because of prednisone.

>

> But.

>

> If you try the NO diet and it doesn't help after two weeks, don't make

> yourself miserable by denying the pleasure of McLunch for no apparent

> reason

> other than you've heard it worked for the friend of a cousin's boss. Try

> something else. Start eating salt again and eliminate dairy for a week

> instead to see if that makes any difference. If it doesn't, have yourself

> a

> big glass of chocolate milk and spend a few weeks avoiding red meat.

> Trust

> me, there is no shortage of NO diets that various people will swear worked

> miracles for their son's best friend's dog.

>

> Jenni

>

>

>

>

>

>

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TerriLynne wrote:

> From http://www.realsalt.com/

> Is Your Salt Real?

> Long before the earth knew pollutants of any kind, a huge, ancient sea

> covered what is now North America. Pure, natural salt was the main

> ingredient of

> this sea, and over millions of years, the water evaporated, leaving

> the salt in undisturbed deposits. At some point during the earth's

> Jurassic era, a

> range of volcanos erupted around the ancient sea bed, sealing the salt

> with layers of thick volcanic ash, protecting these precious deposits

> against the

> pollution that man would eventually introduce into the environment.

> Near the small town of Redmond, in central Utah, approximately 200

> miles south of Salt

> Lake City, we extract this hand-selected salt from deep within the

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SHoot, they still carting salt out of there? I remember going there for

a class excursion when I was in 4th or 5th grade. Got to bring home some

rock salt too. Dang, they been mining salt there for ....eons it seems.

I would think by now they would have tunnels leading almost to the Great

Salt Lake. Hehehehe

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Carol Minnick wrote:

>> Don Quai <mysticalherbalist@y...> wrote:

>

> =========================

>

>> Maybe this is why all the big names are switching to the Himalayan

>

> Salt.

>

> ---------------------------------------------

>

> Don – who do you mean “the big names” are? It would be great if we

> could get a comparison chart of the Celtic, Himalayan, RealSalt and

> others.

>

> Carol

>

======================

Hi Carol,

Sorry it took so long to answer you. What I meant was, the big names in

raw foodism. They all advocated Celtic Grey Sea Salt and are now

beginning to advocate Himalayan Salt. Okay so maybe not all but most.

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This information is from the Celtic Sea Salt website:

More info here - http://www.celtic-seasalt.com/matterofheart.html

It is true we need salt to live. Our own cellular makeup is

very similar to sea water. Much more than a solution of salt water, the

ocean’s waters contain a complex combination of minerals and elements. It

is this coincidence that has likely made salt, which is essential to life, the

condiment most used for thousands of years.

“Salt” is actually a chemical term for a substance produced by a

reaction of an acid with a base. The terms, " salt " and

" sodium " are used interchangeably, but technically this is not

correct. " Salt " is sodium chloride. By weight, it is 40% sodium and

60% chloride. Sodium is an essential nutrient, a mineral that the body cannot

manufacture itself but which is required for life and good health. Human blood

contains 0.9% sodium chloride, or salt -- the same concentration as found in

saline solutions used to cleanse wounds. That coincidence is why we crave it

and why man came to covet it.

Dr. Bernard Jensen, author of Come Alive, stated, “All cellular

structures become alive through electrolytic activity. Life begins with

electrolytes. Trace minerals carry the life force in our bodies more than any

other substance.”

Mineral salts create electrolytes. Electrolytes, often called the spark of

life, are what carry the electrical currents throughout our bodies- sending

messages to the cells in all of the different systems. Electrolytes are also

necessary for enzyme production. Enzymes are responsible for breaking down

food, for absorbing nutrients, muscle function, hormone production and more.

Our biological need for salt that contains a balance of naturally occurring

minerals and trace elements is very real. These minerals must be replenished

regularly in order to maintain health.

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Carol Minnick wrote:

> This information is from the Celtic Sea Salt website:

>

> More info here - http://www.celtic-seasalt.com/matterofheart.html

>

> It is true we need salt to live. Our own cellular makeup is very

> similar to sea water. Much more than a solution of salt water, the

> ocean’s waters contain a complex combination of minerals and elements.

> It is this coincidence that has likely made salt, which is essential

> to life, the condiment most used for thousands of years.

>

> “Salt” is actually a chemical term for a substance produced by a

> reaction of an acid with a base. The terms, " salt " and " sodium " are

> used interchangeably, but technically this is not correct. " Salt " is

> sodium chloride. By weight, it is 40% sodium and 60% chloride. Sodium

> is an essential nutrient, a mineral that the body cannot manufacture

> itself but which is required for life and good health. Human blood

> contains 0.9% sodium chloride, or salt -- the same concentration as

> found in saline solutions used to cleanse wounds. That coincidence is

> why we crave it and why man came to covet it.

>

> Dr. Bernard Jensen, author of Come Alive, stated, “All cellular

> structures become alive through electrolytic activity. Life begins

> with electrolytes. Trace minerals carry the life force in our bodies

> more than any other substance.”

>

> Mineral salts create electrolytes. Electrolytes, often called the

> spark of life, are what carry the electrical currents throughout our

> bodies- sending messages to the cells in all of the different systems.

> Electrolytes are also necessary for enzyme production. Enzymes are

> responsible for breaking down food, for absorbing nutrients, muscle

> function, hormone production and more. Our biological need for salt

> that contains a balance of naturally occurring minerals and trace

> elements is very real. These minerals must be replenished regularly in

> order to maintain health.

>

==================================

Thanks for posting this Carol,

It is interesting to think that most people, including the medical

establishment actually believe that we need salt to live. Nothing could

be further from the truth. Man does not need salt. Man needs organic

sodium and organic chloride ions from plants. In this day of age, where

very few eat a decent diet of raw fruits and vegetables it is no wonder

that we crave salt. Your body will do whatever it can to let us know it

needs certain nutrients. If you don't give it those nutrients then you

will crave. Lots of people live on a simple raw living foods diet

comprised of fresh organic juicy fruits and green leafy vegetables and

do not require any salt at all nor do they have any craving for it. The

more you cook your veggies the more you render any organic minerals like

sodium inorganic. Thus your need to continually supply inorganic sodium

because it makes food taste good or because we have been told it is good

for us. This article is a good example of misinformation touted as truth.

It is interesting that as you continue to use salt you are always in

need of continuing to use salt much to the detriment of your body. Your

body cannot use sodium chloride whether it is from the earth, or sea.

When you intake sodium chloride your body does everything it can to get

rid of it as soon as possible, usually through the kidneys. Because of

its caustic nature your kidneys can only process so much so the rest get

stored underr the skin for later disposal at times of physiological

rest. In order for this salt to be safely stored it needs to be diluted

with water so it will pull water from every cell in the body if needed

in order to safely dilute it to the 0.9% dilution. The more you use the

more gets stored under your skin leading to all kinds of interesting

effects on the body, none of them good.

It is true that the human body does need electrolytes. But said

electrolytes must come from organic minerals and not inorganic minerals.

This is one of the reasons why calcium supplements do not work

efficiently. Getting all of your minerals from plants and fruits, in the

organic form, your body can and will use as soon as it can without the

need for dilution and storing it. What the body cannot use it will

excrete. We replenish these electrolytes every time we eat raw living

organic fruits and green leafy vegetables.

There are many " salts " . Sodium chloride is but one of them and is the

same whether it comes from the ocean, from Pakistan or Utah. Sodium

chloride is sodium chloride and it is still inorganic. It is a bit of a

misnomer to say that human blood consists of .9% sodium chloride. Blood

does not consist of .9% sodium chloride it consist of sodium ions and

chloride ions in that percentage. Salt when put into solution with water

will dissociate and become ions of sodium and chlorine. It will not

remain sodium chloride.

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