Re: Glucosamine/chondroitin

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I take Health From the Sun brand of glucosamine called EFA Joint Formula.

It has EFAs (essential fatty acids). The ingredients are Vitamin C 75 mg,

Vit D 100 IU, Vit E 30 IU, zinc 15 mg, manganese 330 mcg, borage seed oil

1500 mg, glucosamine sulfate 1200 mg, flax seed oil 450 mg, boswellic acid

100 mg. This is the amount in 3 capsules. I usually order on line, there

are various sources, check google. Or my local Fred Meyer will order it for

me. I can also get it from my naturopath at about 2x the price. A month's

supply is anywhere from $13 on sale to $50. But it has really helped my

joints, esp. my feet.

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In a message dated 8/31/2004 8:32:08 PM Central Standard Time, Siwelyak@... writes:

I thought glucosamine and chondroitin were for osteo arthritis, not RA. I tried it a while and did not see any difference.

Kay

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I did too, and it gave me a stomach ache (most everything does tho!) but I didn't notice any difference.

Becky

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I thought we weren't supposed to take glucosamine for RA. It adds fluid to the joints and we dont' really want to be adding fluid to our joints 'cause we already have too much.

>From: "Nita" <TheFunFrug@...> >Reply-Rheumatoid Arthritis >Rheumatoid Arthritis >Subject: Glucosamine/chondroitin >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:55:19 -0000 > >Joyce, > >I have a sister, who is 20 years my senior, and she has >osteoarthritis. Because she takes glucosamine/chondroitin regularly >per doctor instruction and it seems to help, I asked dh's rheumy >about the drugs when we had our first consultation. > >He said, "It probably won't hurt you, but it's not likely to help >your RA either." > >It isn't exactly inexpensive, even though the best price I know >about is at Sam's Club, so dh is leaving it off. > >Just thought I'd share what the doc said. >HTH :0), >Nita > > > > Eva, > > What is Rice Dream? I drink milk in the mornings and hot cocoa at >night. > > I have extreme pain in my lower back. I'm pretty fortunate as I >rarely have > > pain in my joints. I have been taking Glucosoman for two years >but it > > doesn't do a thing for my back.........Joyce > > Share a single photo or an entire slide show right inside your e-mail with MSN Premium: Join now and get the first two months FREE*

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Thank you Nita. I have been taking the same thing your sister is taking.

Joyce

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From: " Nita " <TheFunFrug@...>

<Rheumatoid Arthritis >

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:55 PM

Subject: Glucosamine/chondroitin

Joyce,

I have a sister, who is 20 years my senior, and she has

osteoarthritis. Because she takes glucosamine/chondroitin regularly

per doctor instruction and it seems to help, I asked dh's rheumy

about the drugs when we had our first consultation.

He said, " It probably won't hurt you, but it's not likely to help

your RA either. "

It isn't exactly inexpensive, even though the best price I know

about is at Sam's Club, so dh is leaving it off.

Just thought I'd share what the doc said.

HTH :0),

Nita

> Eva,

> What is Rice Dream? I drink milk in the mornings and hot cocoa at

night.

> I have extreme pain in my lower back. I'm pretty fortunate as I

rarely have

> pain in my joints. I have been taking Glucosoman for two years

but it

> doesn't do a thing for my back.........Joyce

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Mellisa, it was my use to be family doctor that told me to

take Glucosamine. I haven't been to a Rheumatologist

yet. The closest one is in Dallas and those people will

run over you up there..............Joyce

----- Original Message -----

From: Cinnamon 'N Sugar

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:04 PM

Subject: RE: Glucosamine/chondroitin

I thought we weren't supposed to take glucosamine for RA. It adds fluid to the joints and we dont' really want to be adding fluid to our joints 'cause we already have too much.

>From: "Nita" <TheFunFrug@...> >Reply-Rheumatoid Arthritis >Rheumatoid Arthritis >Subject: Glucosamine/chondroitin >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:55:19 -0000 > >Joyce, > >I have a sister, who is 20 years my senior, and she has >osteoarthritis. Because she takes glucosamine/chondroitin regularly >per doctor instruction and it seems to help, I asked dh's rheumy >about the drugs when we had our first consultation. > >He said, "It probably won't hurt you, but it's not likely to help >your RA either." > >It isn't exactly inexpensive, even though the best price I know >about is at Sam's Club, so dh is leaving it off. > >Just thought I'd share what the doc said. >HTH :0), >Nita > > > > Eva, > > What is Rice Dream? I drink milk in the mornings and hot cocoa at >night. > > I have extreme pain in my lower back. I'm pretty fortunate as I >rarely have > > pain in my joints. I have been taking Glucosoman for two years >but it > > doesn't do a thing for my back.........Joyce > >

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I got the same story from my RD that Nita got. I tried it for about a year and gave up because it didn't help (or hurt). God bless.

----- Original Message -----

From: Nita

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:55 PM

Subject: Glucosamine/chondroitin

Joyce,I have a sister, who is 20 years my senior, and she has osteoarthritis. Because she takes glucosamine/chondroitin regularly per doctor instruction and it seems to help, I asked dh's rheumy about the drugs when we had our first consultation.He said, "It probably won't hurt you, but it's not likely to help your RA either."It isn't exactly inexpensive, even though the best price I know about is at Sam's Club, so dh is leaving it off.Just thought I'd share what the doc said.HTH :0),Nita> Eva,> What is Rice Dream? I drink milk in the mornings and hot cocoa at night.> I have extreme pain in my lower back. I'm pretty fortunate as I rarely have> pain in my joints. I have been taking Glucosoman for two years but it> doesn't do a thing for my back.........Joyce

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I thought glucosamine and chondroitin were for osteo arthritis, not RA. I tried it a while and did not see any difference.

Kay

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From: Cinnamon 'N Sugar

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:04 PM

Subject: RE: Glucosamine/chondroitin

I thought we weren't supposed to take glucosamine for RA. It adds fluid to the joints and we dont' really want to be adding fluid to our joints 'cause we already have too much.

>From: "Nita" <TheFunFrug@...> >Reply-Rheumatoid Arthritis >Rheumatoid Arthritis >Subject: Glucosamine/chondroitin >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:55:19 -0000 > >Joyce, > >I have a sister, who is 20 years my senior, and she has >osteoarthritis. Because she takes glucosamine/chondroitin regularly >per doctor instruction and it seems to help, I asked dh's rheumy >about the drugs when we had our first consultation. > >He said, "It probably won't hurt you, but it's not likely to help >your RA either." > >It isn't exactly inexpensive, even though the best price I know >about is at Sam's Club, so dh is leaving it off. > >Just thought I'd share what the doc said. >HTH :0), >Nita > > > > Eva, > > What is Rice Dream? I drink milk in the mornings and hot cocoa at >night. > > I have extreme pain in my lower back. I'm pretty fortunate as I >rarely have > > pain in my joints. I have been taking Glucosoman for two years >but it > > doesn't do a thing for my back.........Joyce > >

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I am writing back to Joyce McCrary who asked me what Rice Dream is. I am allergic to the protein in dairy products and soy does not agree with me also, as it irritates my bladder because of the interstitial cystitis that I have, so I buy Rice Dream which is Rice Milk. It tastes pretty good in my cereal. You can buy it in the cold section or on the shelf sometimes near the organic stuff in the regular supermarket.

I also have low back pain and I regularly see my chiropractor who does adjustments and I get massage therapy there also. I make sure when I get in and out of my car that I sit down and swing in both feet to get in and when I get out of the car, I make sure I have both feet on the ground before I get out. I used to get in the car one foot first and it hurts my back terribly so. When I brush my teeth I also bend at the knees and that helps too, plus I do stretches that help also while lying on my back.

Exercise does not seem to help with the rheumatoid arthritis pain in my wrists, shoulders, and ankles..

Eva W.

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From: Harold Van Tuyl

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:41 PM

Subject: Re: Glucosamine/chondroitin

I got the same story from my RD that Nita got. I tried it for about a year and gave up because it didn't help (or hurt). God bless.

----- Original Message -----

From: Nita

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:55 PM

Subject: Glucosamine/chondroitin

Joyce,I have a sister, who is 20 years my senior, and she has osteoarthritis. Because she takes glucosamine/chondroitin regularly per doctor instruction and it seems to help, I asked dh's rheumy about the drugs when we had our first consultation.He said, "It probably won't hurt you, but it's not likely to help your RA either."It isn't exactly inexpensive, even though the best price I know about is at Sam's Club, so dh is leaving it off.Just thought I'd share what the doc said.HTH :0),Nita> Eva,> What is Rice Dream? I drink milk in the mornings and hot cocoa at night.> I have extreme pain in my lower back. I'm pretty fortunate as I rarely have> pain in my joints. I have been taking Glucosoman for two years but it> doesn't do a thing for my back.........Joyce

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Joyce, on another board I recently saw a post bragging about how good an RD in Odessa was. I don't know if that's too far for you but if you are interested I can supply more details. God bless.

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From: Joyce McCrary

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:10 PM

Subject: Re: Glucosamine/chondroitin

Mellisa, it was my use to be family doctor that told me to

take Glucosamine. I haven't been to a Rheumatologist

yet. The closest one is in Dallas and those people will

run over you up there..............Joyce

----- Original Message -----

From: Cinnamon 'N Sugar

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:04 PM

Subject: RE: Glucosamine/chondroitin

I thought we weren't supposed to take glucosamine for RA. It adds fluid to the joints and we dont' really want to be adding fluid to our joints 'cause we already have too much.

>From: "Nita" <TheFunFrug@...> >Reply-Rheumatoid Arthritis >Rheumatoid Arthritis >Subject: Glucosamine/chondroitin >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:55:19 -0000 > >Joyce, > >I have a sister, who is 20 years my senior, and she has >osteoarthritis. Because she takes glucosamine/chondroitin regularly >per doctor instruction and it seems to help, I asked dh's rheumy >about the drugs when we had our first consultation. > >He said, "It probably won't hurt you, but it's not likely to help >your RA either." > >It isn't exactly inexpensive, even though the best price I know >about is at Sam's Club, so dh is leaving it off. > >Just thought I'd share what the doc said. >HTH :0), >Nita > > > > Eva, > > What is Rice Dream? I drink milk in the mornings and hot cocoa at >night. > > I have extreme pain in my lower back. I'm pretty fortunate as I >rarely have > > pain in my joints. I have been taking Glucosoman for two years >but it > > doesn't do a thing for my back.........Joyce > >

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Thank you Harold. I didn't know about Glucosomine.....Joyce

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From: Harold Van Tuyl

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:41 PM

Subject: Re: Glucosamine/chondroitin

I got the same story from my RD that Nita got. I tried it for about a year and gave up because it didn't help (or hurt). God bless.

----- Original Message -----

From: Nita

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:55 PM

Subject: Glucosamine/chondroitin

Joyce,I have a sister, who is 20 years my senior, and she has osteoarthritis. Because she takes glucosamine/chondroitin regularly per doctor instruction and it seems to help, I asked dh's rheumy about the drugs when we had our first consultation.He said, "It probably won't hurt you, but it's not likely to help your RA either."It isn't exactly inexpensive, even though the best price I know about is at Sam's Club, so dh is leaving it off.Just thought I'd share what the doc said.HTH :0),Nita> Eva,> What is Rice Dream? I drink milk in the mornings and hot cocoa at night.> I have extreme pain in my lower back. I'm pretty fortunate as I rarely have> pain in my joints. I have been taking Glucosoman for two years but it> doesn't do a thing for my back.........Joyce

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Harold, Odessa is almost 400 miles from my home. I looked at

the map and Waco is about 54 miles away and Temple is about

87 miles. There are RD's there. I would rather go to one of these

cities than to go to Dallas although they are further away. It terrifies

me to go into that traffiic. I live in a little town with a pop of less than

2,000 so you can imagine..........Joyce

----- Original Message -----

From: Harold Van Tuyl

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:10 PM

Subject: Re: Glucosamine/chondroitin

Joyce, on another board I recently saw a post bragging about how good an RD in Odessa was. I don't know if that's too far for you but if you are interested I can supply more details. God bless.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joyce McCrary

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:10 PM

Subject: Re: Glucosamine/chondroitin

Mellisa, it was my use to be family doctor that told me to

take Glucosamine. I haven't been to a Rheumatologist

yet. The closest one is in Dallas and those people will

run over you up there..............Joyce

----- Original Message -----

From: Cinnamon 'N Sugar

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:04 PM

Subject: RE: Glucosamine/chondroitin

I thought we weren't supposed to take glucosamine for RA. It adds fluid to the joints and we dont' really want to be adding fluid to our joints 'cause we already have too much.

>From: "Nita" <TheFunFrug@...> >Reply-Rheumatoid Arthritis >Rheumatoid Arthritis >Subject: Glucosamine/chondroitin >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:55:19 -0000 > >Joyce, > >I have a sister, who is 20 years my senior, and she has >osteoarthritis. Because she takes glucosamine/chondroitin regularly >per doctor instruction and it seems to help, I asked dh's rheumy >about the drugs when we had our first consultation. > >He said, "It probably won't hurt you, but it's not likely to help >your RA either." > >It isn't exactly inexpensive, even though the best price I know >about is at Sam's Club, so dh is leaving it off. > >Just thought I'd share what the doc said. >HTH :0), >Nita > > > > Eva, > > What is Rice Dream? I drink milk in the mornings and hot cocoa at >night. > > I have extreme pain in my lower back. I'm pretty fortunate as I >rarely have > > pain in my joints. I have been taking Glucosoman for two years >but it > > doesn't do a thing for my back.........Joyce > >

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Kay, the Doctor I use to use told me to take Glucosomine. He wasn't

an RD. I can't tell it has done me any good either........Joyce

----- Original Message -----

From: " Kay Simpson " <Siwelyak@...>

<Rheumatoid Arthritis >

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:29 PM

Subject: Re: Glucosamine/chondroitin

I thought glucosamine and chondroitin were for osteo arthritis, not RA. I

tried it a while and did not see any difference.

Kay

----- Original Message -----

From: Cinnamon 'N Sugar

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:04 PM

Subject: RE: Glucosamine/chondroitin

I thought we weren't supposed to take glucosamine for RA. It adds fluid to

the joints and we dont' really want to be adding fluid to our joints 'cause

we already have too much.

>From: " Nita " <TheFunFrug@...>

>Reply-Rheumatoid Arthritis

>Rheumatoid Arthritis

>Subject: Glucosamine/chondroitin

>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:55:19 -0000

>

>Joyce,

>

>I have a sister, who is 20 years my senior, and she has

>osteoarthritis. Because she takes glucosamine/chondroitin regularly

>per doctor instruction and it seems to help, I asked dh's rheumy

>about the drugs when we had our first consultation.

>

>He said, " It probably won't hurt you, but it's not likely to help

>your RA either. "

>

>It isn't exactly inexpensive, even though the best price I know

>about is at Sam's Club, so dh is leaving it off.

>

>Just thought I'd share what the doc said.

>HTH :0),

>Nita

>

>

> > Eva,

> > What is Rice Dream? I drink milk in the mornings and hot cocoa at

>night.

> > I have extreme pain in my lower back. I'm pretty fortunate as I

>rarely have

> > pain in my joints. I have been taking Glucosoman for two years

>but it

> > doesn't do a thing for my back.........Joyce

>

>

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Hi Michele...I am hoping we can arrange a gathering sometime before

the end of the year for the Boston area folks ...maybe for lunch.

I don't recall any special conversation about glucosamine here...but

for some reason I think maybe na over on the NSF site was

pretty " up " on the stuff. Could you have read it there?

I am looking forward to hearing your story. I hope you have a chance

to write it soon. This weather has been a bit of a bummer

lately...dont let it get your down.

Thanks for joining in. Cam

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-Michele,

I am not the one who recommended this but I have been taking it also.

I have been buying it from Trader Joe;s in the form of powder

called " EM-Gency " with glucosamine and chondroitin. It has certainly

not cured my pains etc but I certainly think it has not enhanced pain

either. It is not going to cure pain. Again, our pain can sometimes

be so severe that this stufff may just not touch it.,..I take it as a

supplement. Where do you live near Boston? I am originally frim

lin,MAss. ,PA-

- In , Micmb <fordigests@y...> wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone:

>

> I've kind of been lurking for a few months since I

> joined this group. I guess I've been a bit down with

> various aches and pains, summer's gone etc.

>

> I do plan to provide my story some time soon.

>

> Also, I live in the Boston area and would love to

> attend a gathering of some sort. I remember you had

> one a year ago June that I couldn't attend due to my

> niece's graduation. I really wanted to go to both

> events.

>

> Anyhow, the reason I'm writing is a while back someone

> told me about glucosamine/chondroitin and suggested I

> try it for pains. I had previously tried it but only

> for a short time. It's the kind of thing that you

> have to take for at least 3 months to get any effect.

> I have now been taking it for almost 5 months with no

> change in my level of pain. If I had to comment on my

> pain level in fact, I would say it has increased!

>

> I unfortunately don't remember the name of the person

> who suggested I take it but I am hoping that she is in

> this group, or that someone in this group may know who

> I'm talking about and how to get in touch with her.

> This stuff is dreadfully expensive!

>

> Have any of you taken this, or know who I'm talking

> about? I'd love to get your input. Thanks.

>

> Michele

>

> in a very cool and damp Boston suburb

>

>

>

>

>

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Hola Michele

I did a fair amount of research on Glucosamine and if you would like to read it then please go to:

http://www.scoliosisnutty.com/page.php?pg=356

Nutty

[ ] Glucosamine/Chondroitin

Hi Everyone:I've kind of been lurking for a few months since Ijoined this group. I guess I've been a bit down withvarious aches and pains, summer's gone etc. I do plan to provide my story some time soon.Also, I live in the Boston area and would love toattend a gathering of some sort. I remember you hadone a year ago June that I couldn't attend due to myniece's graduation. I really wanted to go to bothevents.Anyhow, the reason I'm writing is a while back someonetold me about glucosamine/chondroitin and suggested Itry it for pains. I had previously tried it but onlyfor a short time. It's the kind of thing that youhave to take for at least 3 months to get any effect. I have now been taking it for almost 5 months with nochange in my level of pain. If I had to comment on mypain level in fact, I would say it has increased!I unfortunately don't remember the name of the personwho suggested I take it but I am hoping that she is inthis group, or that someone in this group may know whoI'm talking about and how to get in touch with her. This stuff is dreadfully expensive! Have any of you taken this, or know who I'm talkingabout? I'd love to get your input. Thanks. Michelein a very cool and damp Boston suburb __________________________________ - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.

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Michele,

I don't know much about glucosamine, but here is some information on

the kind my husband takes. It does have the MSM in it (it'supposed to

make the glucosamine work better, I think). If you click on the link

that says, Product Facts and Ingredients, you can read about it in a

bit more detail.

http://www.advocare.com/store/getProductDetail.do?itemCode=W2991 & id=D

Hope this helps!

kam

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Hola

For general use, MSM - Methylsulfonylmethane - should be taken internally as a food (dietary) supplement. MSM is necessary for collagen synthesis: skin, hair and nails. MSM keeps cells from becoming rigid. MSM softens tissue ("the beauty mineral"), and is believed to relieve stress, asthma, arthritis, inflammation, constipation, candida, detoxify the body and increase blood circulation, reduce muscle cramps, and back pain, help muscles to heal, increases energy, alertness, mental calmness, and the ability to concentrate. MSM scavenges free radicals, relieves allergies to food and pollens, helps the liver produce choline, controls acidity in stomach and ulcers, coats intestinal tract so parasites lose ability to hang on, helps with hypersensitivity to drugs, increases body’s ability to produce insulin, is important for carbohydrate metabolism, and speeds wound healing.

MSM (or DMSO2), short for Methylsulfonylmethane, is found naturally in food when food is fresh, it is driven out of all foods, even with moderate processing. The "S" in DMSO2 (dmso2.com) stands for sulfur, most people are sulfur deficient unless they eat their fish and meat raw and their vegetables uncooked. MSM is present in most green plant food stuffs and certain algae, and a variety of fruits, vegetables, and grains in small amounts and is destroyed with dehydration and heat.

MSM is the transport molecule for elemental sulfur or assimilable source of essential sulfur which is required for proper assimilation of the alpha amino acids methionine and cysteine. In addition, the peptide hormone - insulin requires sulfur in its molecular structure and numerous other proteins, catalysts, and enzymes incorporate sulfur into their molecular framework. Proteins are essential for proper cellular metabolism and soft tissue synthesis. Proper protein synthesis can only be achieved with MSM monomers which maintain the correct molecular framework for soft and connective tissue throughout the human body.

At higher levels MSM functions as an active agent which can be used safely and effectively for a variety of purposes. MSM unlike DMSO is a dietary factor, and is free of unpleasant odors and neutralizes the toxicity of anticholinesterase, thereby providing protection against insecticide exposure or ingestion. When administered orally it is effective in ameliorating symptoms of physiological response to stress including gastrointestinal upset, inflammation of the mucous membranes, pain associated with musculoskeletal system disorders, and infectant allergens and appears to augment immunological competence through a natural vitamin like moderating or normalizing activity for various body functions and is noted for its exceptionally non-toxic nature for both children and adults, including geriatric patients. MSM is also effective in ameliorating gastrointestinal upsets such as that produced by the ingestion of aspirin and other pharmaceuticals or parasitic infections. Individuals with gastrointestinal symptoms such as diarrhea, chronic constipation, nausea, hyperacidity and/or epigastric pain, or inflammation of mucous membranes also will experience dramatic relief. Individuals presenting symptoms of pain and inflammation associated with various musculoskeletal system disorders, including arthritis, reported substantial and long-lasting relief. A combination of World Image Naturals MSM and ascorbic acid (Vitamin C Extra) is of greater benefit, this combination is especially useful in correcting leg cramps, as in athletes who experience severe leg cramps during sports activity. Migraine sufferers also have obtained substantial relief while arthritic patients report relief from pain and stiffness as well as reduced swelling and inflammation.

A single dose of MSM is usually not effective in ameliorating symptoms. Noticeable results are usually seen within 2 to 21 days (certain problems may take much longer to notice changes). Daily dosages of 2,000 to 4,000 mg are recommended (more may be taken - see MSM Book). World Image Naturals' MSM is a safe, naturally occurring supplement. It has about the same toxicity as normal drinking water. [The benefit of MSM will further be enhanced when 2,000 mg or more of Vitamin C Extra is consumed.] Many people use up to 30 grams (30,000 mg) a day of MSM with wonderful benefits. So, don't be concerned with taking 4,000 mg ore more a day. You can get 4,000mg by taking 4 (tiny) capsules, twice daily, of Original-MSM™ or one level teaspoon of Original-MSM™ powder.

Subjects with chronic to severe allergies to environmental materials such as house dust, pollen, wool animal hair, feathers, and other diverse allergens report substantial to complete relief of their allergy symptoms. Allergy symptoms ranged from respiratory congestion to inflammation, itching, mucoid discharges, and general discomfort.

Hope that helps some

Nutty

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Michele,I don't know much about glucosamine, but here is some information on the kind my husband takes. It does have the MSM in it (it'supposed to make the glucosamine work better, I think). If you click on the link that says, Product Facts and Ingredients, you can read about it in a bit more detail.http://www.advocare.com/store/getProductDetail.do?itemCode=W2991 & id=DHope this helps!kam

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Hi Nutty~ I just read your email and was intrigued! Do you know if you can take MSM if you are taking Meds for Thyroid issues? Is there one brand that is better than another? Sorry if I am asking things that have already been posted...this was the 1st message in my long list to read.

Thank you! SuzieNutty <nutty@...> wrote:

Hola

For general use, MSM - Methylsulfonylmethane - should be taken internally as a food (dietary) supplement. MSM is necessary for collagen synthesis: skin, hair and nails. MSM keeps cells from becoming rigid. MSM softens tissue ("the beauty mineral"), and is believed to relieve stress, asthma, arthritis, inflammation, constipation, candida, detoxify the body and increase blood circulation, reduce muscle cramps, and back pain, help muscles to heal, increases energy, alertness, mental calmness, and the ability to concentrate. MSM scavenges free radicals, relieves allergies to food and pollens, helps the liver produce choline, controls acidity in stomach and ulcers, coats intestinal tract so parasites lose ability to hang on, helps with hypersensitivity to drugs, increases body’s ability to produce insulin, is important for carbohydrate metabolism, and speeds wound healing.

MSM (or DMSO2), short for Methylsulfonylmethane, is found naturally in food when food is fresh, it is driven out of all foods, even with moderate processing. The "S" in DMSO2 (dmso2.com) stands for sulfur, most people are sulfur deficient unless they eat their fish and meat raw and their vegetables uncooked. MSM is present in most green plant food stuffs and certain algae, and a variety of fruits, vegetables, and grains in small amounts and is destroyed with dehydration and heat.

MSM is the transport molecule for elemental sulfur or assimilable source of essential sulfur which is required for proper assimilation of the alpha amino acids methionine and cysteine. In addition, the peptide hormone - insulin requires sulfur in its molecular structure and numerous other proteins, catalysts, and enzymes incorporate sulfur into their molecular framework. Proteins are essential for proper cellular metabolism and soft tissue synthesis. Proper protein synthesis can only be achieved with MSM monomers which maintain the correct molecular framework for soft and connective tissue throughout the human body.

At higher levels MSM functions as an active agent which can be used safely and effectively for a variety of purposes. MSM unlike DMSO is a dietary factor, and is free of unpleasant odors and neutralizes the toxicity of anticholinesterase, thereby providing protection against insecticide exposure or ingestion. When administered orally it is effective in ameliorating symptoms of physiological response to stress including gastrointestinal upset, inflammation of the mucous membranes, pain associated with musculoskeletal system disorders, and infectant allergens and appears to augment immunological competence through a natural vitamin like moderating or normalizing activity for various body functions and is noted for its exceptionally non-toxic nature for both children and adults, including geriatric patients. MSM is also effective in ameliorating gastrointestinal upsets such as that produced by the ingestion of aspirin and other pharmaceuticals or parasitic infections. Individuals

with gastrointestinal symptoms such as diarrhea, chronic constipation, nausea, hyperacidity and/or epigastric pain, or inflammation of mucous membranes also will experience dramatic relief. Individuals presenting symptoms of pain and inflammation associated with various musculoskeletal system disorders, including arthritis, reported substantial and long-lasting relief. A combination of World Image Naturals MSM and ascorbic acid (Vitamin C Extra) is of greater benefit, this combination is especially useful in correcting leg cramps, as in athletes who experience severe leg cramps during sports activity. Migraine sufferers also have obtained substantial relief while arthritic patients report relief from pain and stiffness as well as reduced swelling and inflammation.

A single dose of MSM is usually not effective in ameliorating symptoms. Noticeable results are usually seen within 2 to 21 days (certain problems may take much longer to notice changes). Daily dosages of 2,000 to 4,000 mg are recommended (more may be taken - see MSM Book). World Image Naturals' MSM is a safe, naturally occurring supplement. It has about the same toxicity as normal drinking water. [The benefit of MSM will further be enhanced when 2,000 mg or more of Vitamin C Extra is consumed.] Many people use up to 30 grams (30,000 mg) a day of MSM with wonderful benefits. So, don't be concerned with taking 4,000 mg ore more a day. You can get 4,000mg by taking 4 (tiny) capsules, twice daily, of Original-MSM™ or one level teaspoon of Original-MSM™ powder.

Subjects with chronic to severe allergies to environmental materials such as house dust, pollen, wool animal hair, feathers, and other diverse allergens report substantial to complete relief of their allergy symptoms. Allergy symptoms ranged from respiratory congestion to inflammation, itching, mucoid discharges, and general discomfort.

Hope that helps some

Nutty

[ ] Re: Glucosamine/Chondroitin

Michele,I don't know much about glucosamine, but here is some information on the kind my husband takes. It does have the MSM in it (it'supposed to make the glucosamine work better, I think). If you click on the link that says, Product Facts and Ingredients, you can read about it in a bit more detail.http://www.advocare.com/store/getProductDetail.do?itemCode=W2991 & id=DHope this helps!kam

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Hola Hun

What meds are you taking for your thyroid and I can check this problem out for you and come back to you and let you know, I have a lot of information regarding MSM and various pills and problems etc.

All the best

Nutty

[ ] Re: Glucosamine/Chondroitin

Michele,I don't know much about glucosamine, but here is some information on the kind my husband takes. It does have the MSM in it (it'supposed to make the glucosamine work better, I think). If you click on the link that says, Product Facts and Ingredients, you can read about it in a bit more detail.http://www.advocare.com/store/getProductDetail.do?itemCode=W2991 & id=DHope this helps!kam

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Nutty~ I am taking Synthroid....the other med that I am on are..Neurontin 2700mg per day, Rozerem 8mg, Zanaflex 4mg. Thank you for your help!

SuzieNutty <nutty@...> wrote:

Hola Hun

What meds are you taking for your thyroid and I can check this problem out for you and come back to you and let you know, I have a lot of information regarding MSM and various pills and problems etc.

All the best

Nutty

[ ] Re: Glucosamine/Chondroitin

Michele,I don't know much about glucosamine, but here is some information on the kind my husband takes. It does have the MSM in it (it'supposed to make the glucosamine work better, I think). If you click on the link that says, Product Facts and Ingredients, you can read about it in a bit more detail.http://www.advocare.com/store/getProductDetail.do?itemCode=W2991 & id=DHope this helps!kam

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Hola Suzie

There has been no known side effects when taking those drugs along with MSM, in fact many people have said they have had great results and less pain, please check with your doctor though to be on the safe side, I have also mailed my surgeon here in Spain and asked his opinion and I will be back ;-)

Nutty

[ ] Re: Glucosamine/Chondroitin

Michele,I don't know much about glucosamine, but here is some information on the kind my husband takes. It does have the MSM in it (it'supposed to make the glucosamine work better, I think). If you click on the link that says, Product Facts and Ingredients, you can read about it in a bit more detail.http://www.advocare.com/store/getProductDetail.do?itemCode=W2991 & id=DHope this helps!kam

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[Guest guest]

I just want to jump in on this discussion and thank Nutty for

reminding anyone who reads this that she is not a medical

professional and nothing that is posted here is anything other than

her opinion. No one should preceed on this or any other information

and advice gleaned here at this site without seeking the advice or

their doctor.

Nutty, if you could, when you put info up like this it also might be

helpful if you attribute the work to it's source so people can go

back and do their own research which might allow then to bring the

info to their doctor for discussion. Please don't misunderstand me,

there is nothing wrong with sharing information...I just think this

particular thread has gotten very close to " dispensing medical

advice " without the proper credentials, however well intended.

It seems often that the " conventional " medical community has

overlooked alternative sources or healing. I personally believe they

may have great benefit for people. I am just worried because there

is always the possibility that the drug interactions may not be

compatible or may undercut the dosing or other actions of a

perscription drug. We all know that just because many supplements

are available over the counter...they may not be safe. In fact, I

got a long list at my pre operative consultation of all known over

the counter drungs that I must avoid.

So thanks for understanding that I am not trying to shut this

discussion down...I just want everyone to be mindful of how their

words or information could be construed (or misconstued). Cam

[Guest guest]

Suzie,

Can I ask why you are taking Neurontin and if it helps you a great deal. I am taking 600 mgs a day and am not sure if they help or not. When I quit taking them I THINK I am in more pain with my feet. I know one thing for sure. My balance is terrible when I am on it. I fell twice last week and have a black eye from where I hit my head on the tub. I am in the process of tapering off of it now. It's just not worth taking the chance of a broken hip. I can't imagine what 2700 mgs would do to me.

Joyce E

[ ] Re: Glucosamine/Chondroitin

Michele,I don't know much about glucosamine, but here is some information on the kind my husband takes. It does have the MSM in it (it'supposed to make the glucosamine work better, I think). If you click on the link that says, Product Facts and Ingredients, you can read about it in a bit more detail.http://www.advocare.com/store/getProductDetail.do?itemCode=W2991 & id=DHope this helps!kam

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Sorry hun.

Nutty

[ ] Re: Glucosamine/Chondroitin

I just want to jump in on this discussion and thank Nutty for reminding anyone who reads this that she is not a medical professional and nothing that is posted here is anything other than her opinion. No one should preceed on this or any other information and advice gleaned here at this site without seeking the advice or their doctor.Nutty, if you could, when you put info up like this it also might be helpful if you attribute the work to it's source so people can go back and do their own research which might allow then to bring the info to their doctor for discussion. Please don't misunderstand me, there is nothing wrong with sharing information...I just think this particular thread has gotten very close to "dispensing medical advice" without the proper credentials, however well intended.It seems often that the "conventional" medical community has overlooked alternative sources or healing. I personally believe they may have great benefit for people. I am just worried because there is always the possibility that the drug interactions may not be compatible or may undercut the dosing or other actions of a perscription drug. We all know that just because many supplements are available over the counter...they may not be safe. In fact, I got a long list at my pre operative consultation of all known over the counter drungs that I must avoid.So thanks for understanding that I am not trying to shut this discussion down...I just want everyone to be mindful of how their words or information could be construed (or misconstued). Cam