Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Wonder how many members of this group actually use social medicine as their mainstay for prostate cancer treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Sorry...not here.. To: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 6:01:20 PMSubject: Curious Wonder how many members of this group actually use social medicine astheir mainstay for prostate cancer treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 What do you mean by "social medicine"?VanTo: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 4:01:20 PMSubject: Curious Wonder how many members of this group actually use social medicine as their mainstay for prostate cancer treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 I got to thinking the same thing!!! To: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 6:45:36 PMSubject: Re: Curious What do you mean by "social medicine"?Van From: sammy_bates <sammy_bates@ yahoo.com>To: ProstateCancerSuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Mon, May 10, 2010 4:01:20 PMSubject: [ProstateCancerSupp ort] Curious Wonder how many members of this group actually use social medicine astheir mainstay for prostate cancer treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 sammy_bates wrote: > Wonder how many members of this group actually use social > medicine as their mainstay for prostate cancer treatment. Assuming you mean government provided medical care, that's limited in the U.S. It's available to military veterans, but I'm not aware of anyone else getting it. I've heard a lot veterans complain about horribly incompetent treatment while some have said they got good treatment. It seems to vary a lot by which hospital serves their area. There is government paid, privately provided medical care in the U.S. for people aged 65 and older. It's the " Medicare " insurance program. I have no personal experience with either program, but I do belong to a " Health Maintenance Organization " , which is somewhat like socialized medicine, but provided by a private, (in my case) non-profit organization called " Kaiser Permanente " . It started out as a health care system for employees of a one time big American manufacturing company named " Kaiser " , but has departed those roots to become a big organization in many states. My experience with it is as follows: Doctors: Mediocre to very good. Clerical work: Poor to adequate. Responsiveness: Good. What I like best about them is that I always feel like they're recommending treatment that matches well researched guidelines. I always feel that they're trying to provide good care, not that they're trying to rip me off. They don't prescribe expensive and pointless, often invasive, tests or treatments, as one often gets in private medicine in the U.S. But they do perform the tests and treatments that are supported by agreed upon evidence. They're also big enough that 24 hour care is available in one form or another. Finding a specialist with them is hit or miss. They have numerous specialists under contract. You always have a choice of more than one, but not always more than two. You can't pick your own specialist from the whole world of doctors and go to a world famous hospital for treatment. If you think you really need a top doctor, for example for a radical prostatectomy, you may have to fight for it. I've usually been able to find someone I thought was good, but it wasn't always the first one I met. Sometimes I get very angry at them, for example when their clerical people lose my x-rays or put a wrong label on a bottle of pills, or fail to follow up on a request to send records somewhere, or don't put my messages through - all of which have happened to me in the 26 years I've been with them. But they do seem to try to correct problems when I complain. I also dislike the nickel and diming that they do (an American expression for charging small fees for everything.) When I first joined them in 1984, everything was covered, period. Now there are copays for everything, charges for records, and other fees. Prices are truly out of sight in the U.S. I pay $13,000/year in HMO premiums, not counting copays, for just myself and my wife. But everything else looks just as expensive or more so, or else runs significant cost risks in return for lower premiums. But alas, every time I think I've had it with them I look around at the other choices and decide I better stay where I am. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 By " social " or " socialized medicine, " I would think that applies to: Medicare (65+) Medicaid (Low income) TriCare (for miliary, dpendents, and retired military) I am under none of these myself. > > > Wonder how many members of this group actually use social > > medicine as their mainstay for prostate cancer treatment. > > Assuming you mean government provided medical care, that's > limited in the U.S. It's available to military veterans, but I'm > not aware of anyone else getting it. I've heard a lot veterans > complain about horribly incompetent treatment while some have > said they got good treatment. It seems to vary a lot by which > hospital serves their area. > > There is government paid, privately provided medical care in the > U.S. for people aged 65 and older. It's the " Medicare " insurance > program. > > I have no personal experience with either program, but I do > belong to a " Health Maintenance Organization " , which is somewhat > like socialized medicine, but provided by a private, (in my case) > non-profit organization called " Kaiser Permanente " . It started > out as a health care system for employees of a one time big > American manufacturing company named " Kaiser " , but has departed > those roots to become a big organization in many states. > > My experience with it is as follows: > > Doctors: Mediocre to very good. > Clerical work: Poor to adequate. > Responsiveness: Good. > > What I like best about them is that I always feel like they're > recommending treatment that matches well researched guidelines. > I always feel that they're trying to provide good care, not that > they're trying to rip me off. They don't prescribe expensive and > pointless, often invasive, tests or treatments, as one often gets > in private medicine in the U.S. But they do perform the tests > and treatments that are supported by agreed upon evidence. > They're also big enough that 24 hour care is available in one > form or another. > > Finding a specialist with them is hit or miss. They have > numerous specialists under contract. You always have a choice of > more than one, but not always more than two. You can't pick your > own specialist from the whole world of doctors and go to a world > famous hospital for treatment. If you think you really need a > top doctor, for example for a radical prostatectomy, you may have > to fight for it. I've usually been able to find someone I > thought was good, but it wasn't always the first one I met. > > Sometimes I get very angry at them, for example when their > clerical people lose my x-rays or put a wrong label on a bottle > of pills, or fail to follow up on a request to send records > somewhere, or don't put my messages through - all of which have > happened to me in the 26 years I've been with them. But they > do seem to try to correct problems when I complain. > > I also dislike the nickel and diming that they do (an American > expression for charging small fees for everything.) When I first > joined them in 1984, everything was covered, period. Now there > are copays for everything, charges for records, and other fees. > > Prices are truly out of sight in the U.S. I pay $13,000/year in > HMO premiums, not counting copays, for just myself and my wife. > But everything else looks just as expensive or more so, or else > runs significant cost risks in return for lower premiums. > > But alas, every time I think I've had it with them I look around > at the other choices and decide I better stay where I am. > > Alan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 I just turned 70. So I'm on medicare. Jim SchwindtTo: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 8:59:32 AMSubject: Re: Curious By "social" or "socialized medicine," I would think that applies to: Medicare (65+) Medicaid (Low income) TriCare (for miliary, dpendents, and retired military) I am under none of these myself. > > > Wonder how many members of this group actually use social > > medicine as their mainstay for prostate cancer treatment. > > Assuming you mean government provided medical care, that's > limited in the U.S. It's available to military veterans, but I'm > not aware of anyone else getting it. I've heard a lot veterans > complain about horribly incompetent treatment while some have > said they got good treatment. It seems to vary a lot by which > hospital serves their area. > > There is government paid, privately provided medical care in the > U.S. for people aged 65 and older. It's the "Medicare" insurance > program. > > I have no personal experience with either program, but I do > belong to a "Health Maintenance Organization" , which is somewhat > like socialized medicine, but provided by a private, (in my case) > non-profit organization called "Kaiser Permanente". It started > out as a health care system for employees of a one time big > American manufacturing company named "Kaiser", but has departed > those roots to become a big organization in many states. > > My experience with it is as follows: > > Doctors: Mediocre to very good. > Clerical work: Poor to adequate. > Responsiveness: Good. > > What I like best about them is that I always feel like they're > recommending treatment that matches well researched guidelines. > I always feel that they're trying to provide good care, not that > they're trying to rip me off. They don't prescribe expensive and > pointless, often invasive, tests or treatments, as one often gets > in private medicine in the U.S. But they do perform the tests > and treatments that are supported by agreed upon evidence. > They're also big enough that 24 hour care is available in one > form or another. > > Finding a specialist with them is hit or miss. They have > numerous specialists under contract. You always have a choice of > more than one, but not always more than two. You can't pick your > own specialist from the whole world of doctors and go to a world > famous hospital for treatment. If you think you really need a > top doctor, for example for a radical prostatectomy, you may have > to fight for it. I've usually been able to find someone I > thought was good, but it wasn't always the first one I met. > > Sometimes I get very angry at them, for example when their > clerical people lose my x-rays or put a wrong label on a bottle > of pills, or fail to follow up on a request to send records > somewhere, or don't put my messages through - all of which have > happened to me in the 26 years I've been with them. But they > do seem to try to correct problems when I complain. > > I also dislike the nickel and diming that they do (an American > expression for charging small fees for everything.) When I first > joined them in 1984, everything was covered, period. Now there > are copays for everything, charges for records, and other fees. > > Prices are truly out of sight in the U.S. I pay $13,000/year in > HMO premiums, not counting copays, for just myself and my wife. > But everything else looks just as expensive or more so, or else > runs significant cost risks in return for lower premiums. > > But alas, every time I think I've had it with them I look around > at the other choices and decide I better stay where I am. > > Alan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 I do not know your definition of " Social " medicine but we only have one system that could be termed social medicine and that is the Veteran's Affairs system that employs the medical personnel, provides the tests and medication at no cost to the recipient. Similar to the UK plan. I have a Medicare Advantage HMO plan that is funded in part by my contributions and Co-pays and the US government picks up the rest. It is administered by a private insurance company. If it declines to pay the charges for any treatment, then I do not get the treatment. Simple as that. " Il faut d'abord durer " Hemingway Curious > > Wonder how many members of this group actually use social medicine as > their mainstay for prostate cancer treatment. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > There are just two rules for this group > 1 No Spam > 2 Be kind to others > > Please recognise that Prostate Cancerhas different guises and needs > different levels of treatment and in some cases no treatment at all. Some > men even with all options offered chose radical options that you would not > choose. We only ask that people be informed before choice is made, we > cannot and should not tell other members what to do, other than look at > other options. > > Try to delete old material that is no longer applying when clicking reply > Try to change the title if the content requires it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 If you mean " socialized medicine " , I'm using it in Canada. It works OK. CHarles > > > Wonder how many members of this group actually use social medicine as > their mainstay for prostate cancer treatment. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 OHHHHH..yes that is what I was trying to figure out. I'm in Wis..and we don't have that....YET! To: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 1:12:36 PMSubject: Re: Curious If you mean "socialized medicine", I'm using it in Canada. It works OK.CHarles>> > Wonder how many members of this group actually use social medicine as> their mainstay for prostate cancer treatment.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Many of our support group in Wis...vets...are going to NON VA HOSPITALS for treatment..esp robotic surgery! To: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 7:46:41 PMSubject: Re: Curious sammy_bates <sammy_bates@ yahoo.com> wrote:> Wonder how many members of this group actually use social> medicine as their mainstay for prostate cancer treatment.Assuming you mean government provided medical care, that'slimited in the U.S. It's available to military veterans, but I'mnot aware of anyone else getting it. I've heard a lot veteranscomplain about horribly incompetent treatment while some havesaid they got good treatment. It seems to vary a lot by whichhospital serves their area.There is government paid, privately provided medical care in theU.S. for people aged 65 and older. It's the "Medicare" insuranceprogram.I have no personal experience with either program, but I dobelong to a "Health Maintenance Organization" , which is somewhatlike socialized medicine, but provided by a private, (in my case)non-profit organization called "Kaiser Permanente". It startedout as a health care system for employees of a one time bigAmerican manufacturing company named "Kaiser", but has departedthose roots to become a big organization in many states.My experience with it is as follows:Doctors: Mediocre to very good.Clerical work: Poor to adequate.Responsiveness: Good.What I like best about them is that I always feel like they'rerecommending treatment that matches well researched guidelines.I always feel that they're trying to provide good care, not thatthey're trying to rip me off. They don't prescribe expensive andpointless, often invasive, tests or treatments, as one often getsin private medicine in the U.S. But they do perform the testsand treatments that are supported by agreed upon evidence.They're also big enough that 24 hour care is available in oneform or another.Finding a specialist with them is hit or miss. They havenumerous specialists under contract. You always have a choice ofmore than one, but not always more than two. You can't pick yourown specialist from the whole world of doctors and go to a worldfamous hospital for treatment. If you think you really need atop doctor, for example for a radical prostatectomy, you may haveto fight for it. I've usually been able to find someone Ithought was good, but it wasn't always the first one I met.Sometimes I get very angry at them, for example when theirclerical people lose my x-rays or put a wrong label on a bottleof pills, or fail to follow up on a request to send recordssomewhere, or don't put my messages through - all of which havehappened to me in the 26 years I've been with them. But theydo seem to try to correct problems when I complain.I also dislike the nickel and diming that they do (an Americanexpression for charging small fees for everything.) When I firstjoined them in 1984, everything was covered, period. Now thereare copays for everything, charges for records, and other fees.Prices are truly out of sight in the U.S. I pay $13,000/year inHMO premiums, not counting copays, for just myself and my wife.But everything else looks just as expensive or more so, or elseruns significant cost risks in return for lower premiums.But alas, every time I think I've had it with them I look aroundat the other choices and decide I better stay where I am.Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 SAME HERE...I'm 73 To: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 10:54:07 AMSubject: Re: Re: Curious I just turned 70. So I'm on medicare. Jim Schwindt From: OMR <olemanrvryahoo (DOT) com>To: ProstateCancerSuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, May 11, 2010 8:59:32 AMSubject: [ProstateCancerSupp ort] Re: Curious By "social" or "socialized medicine," I would think that applies to:Medicare (65+)Medicaid (Low income)TriCare (for miliary, dpendents, and retired military)I am under none of these myself. > > > Wonder how many members of this group actually use social> > medicine as their mainstay for prostate cancer treatment.> > Assuming you mean government provided medical care, that's> limited in the U.S. It's available to military veterans, but I'm> not aware of anyone else getting it. I've heard a lot veterans> complain about horribly incompetent treatment while some have> said they got good treatment. It seems to vary a lot by which> hospital serves their area.> > There is government paid, privately provided medical care in the> U.S. for people aged 65 and older. It's the "Medicare" insurance> program.> > I have no personal experience with either program, but I do> belong to a "Health Maintenance Organization" , which is somewhat> like socialized medicine, but provided by a private, (in my case)> non-profit organization called "Kaiser Permanente". It started> out as a health care system for employees of a one time big> American manufacturing company named "Kaiser", but has departed> those roots to become a big organization in many states.> > My experience with it is as follows:> > Doctors: Mediocre to very good.> Clerical work: Poor to adequate.> Responsiveness: Good.> > What I like best about them is that I always feel like they're> recommending treatment that matches well researched guidelines.> I always feel that they're trying to provide good care, not that> they're trying to rip me off. They don't prescribe expensive and> pointless, often invasive, tests or treatments, as one often gets> in private medicine in the U.S. But they do perform the tests> and treatments that are supported by agreed upon evidence.> They're also big enough that 24 hour care is available in one> form or another.> > Finding a specialist with them is hit or miss. They have> numerous specialists under contract. You always have a choice of> more than one, but not always more than two. You can't pick your> own specialist from the whole world of doctors and go to a world> famous hospital for treatment. If you think you really need a> top doctor, for example for a radical prostatectomy, you may have> to fight for it. I've usually been able to find someone I> thought was good, but it wasn't always the first one I met.> > Sometimes I get very angry at them, for example when their> clerical people lose my x-rays or put a wrong label on a bottle> of pills, or fail to follow up on a request to send records> somewhere, or don't put my messages through - all of which have> happened to me in the 26 years I've been with them. But they> do seem to try to correct problems when I complain.> > I also dislike the nickel and diming that they do (an American> expression for charging small fees for everything.) When I first> joined them in 1984, everything was covered, period. Now there> are copays for everything, charges for records, and other fees.> > Prices are truly out of sight in the U.S. I pay $13,000/year in> HMO premiums, not counting copays, for just myself and my wife.> But everything else looks just as expensive or more so, or else> runs significant cost risks in return for lower premiums.> > But alas, every time I think I've had it with them I look around> at the other choices and decide I better stay where I am.> > Alan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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