Re: Weight Loss StrategiesEDD

[Guest guest]

Edd, you are too funny. Do you think any of us have friends who have lost weight

and kept it off for 5 years? I kept 30 lbs off once for 3 years. But I do know

that for me only W/W, which I do not even like to do, got any weight off of me

in the last several years. Lindora low carb did once but it does not work for me

now. Atkins never worked. So I am counting points AND carbs and hoping for a

weight loss miracle. I would not go to the meetings as the instructor brings in

junk food and for and hour tells us how much of it we can get into our diet. Not

for me. Wasn't then, isn't now. G

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Glory33 wrote:

>Edd, you are too funny. Do you think any of us have friends who have lost

weight and kept it off for 5 years?

>

Probably not. But it kinda makes you wonder why not. Lots of

people diet all the time. If dieting gave permanent weight loss, there

should be plenty of ex-fat people around. If it's not permanent, why

bother?

Edd

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I just have to keep trying to lose the weight. Female vanity for one thing,

diabetes for another. Who knows when one of us will truly find an answer. I will

keep searching. I will take weight loss even in the ounces as long as it can

keep coming off. A Dr once told me there may be no limit to how fat I could

become. I have those thrifty genes. I am kicking and fighting all the way. I

think I would not have regained some of the 14 lbs I lost on W/W if I had not

taken my husband's glipizide. At least that is the impression I got from my Dr.

When I was diagnosed I just did what the Drs had told him to do. But he is a

natural thin. Another don't take other people's meds. But still the Dr I saw

would not even have me testing until the last of this month, if then. G

[Guest guest]

are you

able to exercise? If you can, that's the best way to lose weight.

I exercise. I can walk all over this mountain and I have an exercise bike. I

hope to do more strength training after we build our house. I did optifast and

lost 60 lbs and did aerobics an hour a day 4 days a week. I had 160 lbs of lean

on this body. I gained the 60 lbs back doing the same aerobics 4 days a week. I

kept 160 lbs of lean. I do not think exercise is the answer either. I have never

lost anything from exercise. Sorry. But I understand the exercise may be good

for the diabetes and the heart. I exercise mostly for heart health. I do think

it helps that. Weight------forget it. I also went to the gym 4 days a week for

several years cardio and strength training. Moved fat around some.

Maybe you can only gain 10 lbs but I have really fat relatives. If I did not

fight on a daily basis I believe the Dr would be right. I did well with my 14 lb

loss until the diabetes and my husband's triple bypass in the middle of moving.

Stress!!!! G

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Glory33 wrote:

>I just have to keep trying to lose the weight. Female vanity for one thing,

diabetes for another.

>

I understand how desperate we all are to be thin.

>Who knows when one of us will truly find an answer.

>

I'm personally aware that people have been dieting by the

millions for at least 50 years. Millions of dieters (call them

research scientists) have been testing every diet that's come along in

half a century. All those diets have been thoroughly tested. If any

of them worked permanently, word would have spread quickly. We all

would have done that diet and be thin. Where are all the thin

people? I can find them. That tells me, there's no diet that really

works.

>I will keep searching. I will take weight loss even in the ounces as long as it

can keep coming off.

>

Is it really coming? or are you just re-losing the same

pounds over and over, like most people?

>A Dr once told me there may be no limit to how fat I could become.

>

He lied to you. There is a limit. After 25 years of

dieting, I worried that there'd be no limit to how much I would gain if

I stopped. But when I did stop, I only gained about 10 pounds, and then

my weight stabilized. That's how it works.

>I have those thrifty genes.

>

yeah, we all do. Pity. Forgive me for forgetting, but are you

able to exercise? If you can, that's the best way to lose weight. You

only have to do it a few minutes a day. There's no aching hunger all

day long. And it comes with a number of other healthy benefits. Can

you walk or swim?

>I am kicking and fighting all the way. I think I would not have regained some

of the 14 lbs I lost on W/W if I had not taken my husband's glipizide. At least

that is the impression I got from my Dr. When I was diagnosed I just did what

the Drs had told him to do. But he is a natural thin. Another don't take other

people's meds.

>

Weight gain is a common side effect of glipizide. In fact,

most anti-diabetic medications cause weight gain.

>But still the Dr I saw would not even have me testing until the last of this

month, if then. G

>

>

Well, I'm sure this group has already covered this, but is

there some reason he wants to keep you in ignorance about your

condition? How does that help you exactly?

Edd

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Glory33 wrote:

>I exercise. ... I do not think exercise is the answer either.

>

There really is no answer. But for now, exercise is the best

one we've got. Good luck.

edd

[Guest guest]

I do not think exercise is the answer either. I have never lost anything

from exercise. Sorry. But I understand the exercise may be good for the

diabetes and the heart. I exercise mostly for heart health. I do think it

helps that. Weight------forget it.

As I understand it, exercise -- specifically, strength training -- builds

muscle so that you burn more calories even while resting than you would

otherwise.

Sandy H.

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Where are all the thin

people? I can find them. That tells me, there's no diet that really

works.

Edd,

I think that there are diets that work, but people are human, and they

don't stick to them, and they don't learn anything from them. My sister

lost 75 lbs. on Weight Watchers, and she's kept it off for 2 years because

she learned a new way to eat. It's not right for everyone, as it's pretty

high in carbs, but it works great for her and for many other people. I do

think that Weight Watchers has had quite a bit of success. It works because

it teaches a way of eating for a lifetime.... if people go back to their old

way of eating, that doesn't mean the diet doesn't work. It means people are

choosing not to do what works. However, I think that exercise in

conjunction with exercise works best, and Weight Watchers also emphasizes

exercise.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

That's right on the button, Sandy. This is also why we refer to

reducing carbs as a way to control diabetes as a " WOE " (way of eating)

as opposed to a diet. It may be just semantics...but the implication

of " diet " is that you follow it then when you reach goal you go off of

it. (An all too familiar scenario). Whereas WOE means a permanent

change in food choices and eating habits.

It should be obvious that when people go off a weight loss diet and

return to old eating habits the pounds will return. But somehow people

don't factor this in. I guess it's just human nature...

Vicki

RE: Weight Loss StrategiesEDD

>

It (Weight Watchers) works because

it teaches a way of eating for a lifetime.... if people go back to their

old

way of eating, that doesn't mean the diet doesn't work. It means people

are

choosing not to do what works.

[Guest guest]

Sandy, I built so much muscle and didn't burn anymore than before. I did get

stronger. It does not change MY metabolism. G

[Guest guest]

My aunt, who had 5 foot wide hips when I was 15, finally lost some of that

weight. And before she died was a pretty normal size. She said I would get thin

without effort if I lived long enough. Not a scientific approach but I saw

results. My mother was never very heavy as the weight is in the father side of

my family genes. She lost way too much weight in her elder years. I used to

stuff her with liquid meals between meals etc. I forced her to eat as well. I

cannot imagine being forced to eat, except when I had radium treatment I could

not swallow the food, put it in my mouth and then took it out. I could not eat

for a few days. G

[Guest guest]

There are W/W successes. I have been to the meetings and heard their stories and

saw their results. I saw also, their before and after pictures. The eating

disorders expert I talked to said W/W had the most success overall and the

professionals recognize that. And that the most success was in those who

attended the meetings. I am very competitive and found their scale a great

motivator. I did not want that scale not to show a loss. I had lost 14 and

signed up for another 10 weeks when I had to leave town for 2 months and came

back with diabetes. But the weight was still off when I got back here. I began

to gain with the glipizide. I do not know the exact progression as I was not

weighing for a time---too worn out--too much to do here. Isn't Fergie a success

story??? On the view, the one gal lost 30 lbs and is keeping it off by Jennie

Craig. I am enough motivated, I have to find the vehicle for success. I know a

while ago my body started packing on whatever I ate. My nutirtionist even said

to avoid fruits or I would turn them to fat as well. G

[Guest guest]

> What these successful

> weight losers have in common is that they do massive amounts of

> exercise.   Two or three hours a day plus long hikes on the weekends.

>

>

Do you have the link for this?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

For one I can name the receptionist at my Drs office who has kept hers off for

many years. They tell you how many years they have kept them off at the

meetings. The idea being you never go off W/W. This particular lady told me that

the reason she was so (naturally)---my thinking...... thin---- was that she

always knows exactly what is going into her mouth on a daily basis and she works

at that. Nothing so naturally thin about it at all. There are just so many

successes. Fergie has been thin for quite some time now. If you got it off once

you can get it off again. Not the diets fault if we do not follow it or if we go

off of it.

You lost weight, you choose not to keep it off as I did too by not keeping up

the monitoring because of the diagnosis of diabetes etc. I chose not to be

vigilant. And, I regret that. G

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Sandy wrote:

> Edd,

> I think that there are diets that work, but people are human, and they

>don't stick to them, and they don't learn anything from them.

>

I have one one measure for a successful diet: permanent weight

loss. I've already had enough of temporary weight loss. The

seductive thing about dieting is that it gives you temporary weight

loss, which we all dream will be permanent each time we lose. Perhaps

it would be fair to blame the victim if there were actually a lot of

successful weight losers. But how many dieters do we know who have lost

all the weight they want and kept it off for as little as 5 years? I

don't know any. When you can't find the successes, then the method

doesn't work. If your doctor gave you a pill that didn't work, he

could blame you for that failure. He could tell you to continue taking

the pill and try harder. That's what we do with dieting. " They went

back to their old habits... "

There's an old joke about a church which preached true believers

would be immortal and live forever. Of course, church members had

normal life spans after which they died. And each time one died, the

rest of the congregation just explained that their beliefs were true,

but that the person who had died just didn't have true belief. That's

what we do with dieting. We insist on believing this myth that dieting

will make us permanently thin, but each dieter just didn't have true

belief. We may as well believe dieting will make us immortal.

The same fat diabetics who successfully change their eating habits

to control their blood sugars can't keep their weight off. Changing

your eating habits to control diabetes isn't easy, but people manage it

all the time. People DO change their habits. There are plenty of

successes to be found. But those same people can't keep their weight

down. That's because methods to control blood sugar work, and dieting

doesn't work.

Edd

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Glory33 wrote:

>There are W/W successes. I have been to the meetings and heard their stories

and saw their results.

>

I'm a Weight Watcher graduate myself. I lost lots of weight

on WW. I've seen their success stories too. But tell me, those

successes you saw at WW, how long had they kept their weight off? How

many years? 5? 10? 15? or were they new successes? WW is no more

successful in the long run than any other diet. Millions of people

have cycled through WW over several decades. By now, the streets should

be full of thin WW graduates. But I don't see them. I'm a graduate

myself, but I'm not a thin one.

And I so vividly remember my first WW meeting. The leader started

the meeting by telling us how great WW was and then told us that " when

you regain your weight, just came back here and we'll help you lose it

again. " Heroin and weight loss, great repeat business. ;-)

>I saw also, their before and after pictures.

>

Yeah. I've seen plenty of those myself. But were they 5 years

after? or just after?

>The eating disorders expert I talked to said W/W had the most success overall

and the professionals recognize that.

>

The professional all love WW because it's basically a balanced

diet. People do lose weight on it. But it's only temporary. Hardly

any one seems to look past the immediate weight loss. Did you hear

anyone talking about 5 year successes? or were they just excited about

new losses? When most people talk about successful weight loss, they

only talk about losing in the first place. Craig, WW and the

others talk vaguely about long term success, but they never quote

studies and percentages of long term successes. They're all

businesses. They know. And after all these years, they've had plenty

of time to do studies, yet they never quote the percentage of people who

have kept weight off 5 years or more. That's because they know the

success rate is down around 3% or 5%. When the odds are 98% against

you, it's time to stop playing. Yet we're all so desperate to lose

weight, I've actually had people tell me that if some diet offered only

3% chance of making them thin, then they'd starve themselves on that diet.

Edd

[Guest guest]

It sounds a little like A.A.

Re: Weight Loss StrategiesEDD

For one I can name the receptionist at my Drs office who has kept hers

off for many years. They tell you how many years they have kept them off

at the meetings. The idea being you never go off W/W.

[Guest guest]

I think there are hundreds of thousands. I do not go out asking every thin

person. My cousin lost her weight once. Also my sales gal for our last home

lost 100 lbs on nutrisystem and kept it off many years now. I kept weight off

for more than 30 years. It was a choice not to keep it off for a time. Now it is

hard to get back to pre weight gain. But by golly I AM ON THE WAY. I will keep

you posted. I deserve to be the thin me. My diabetes will appreciate my efforts

too.The no weight loss works will not fly with me. It is what you put into it.

This is all I am going to say on weight loss for awhile. G

[Guest guest]

It sounds a little like A.A.

Nothing wrong with that. If weight is the problem, swear off of it for life. G

[Guest guest]

> What these successful

> weight losers have in common is that they do massive amounts of

> exercise. Two or three hours a day plus long hikes on the weekends.

I don't believe that. No one I know has. Only Oprah does with the exercise and

perhaps Demi . G

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Glory33 wrote:

>For one I can name the receptionist at my Drs office who has kept hers off for

many years. They tell you how many years they have kept them off at the

meetings. The idea being you never go off W/W. This particular lady told me that

the reason she was so (naturally)---my thinking...... thin---- was that she

always knows exactly what is going into her mouth on a daily basis and she works

at that. Nothing so naturally thin about it at all. There are just so many

successes. Fergie has been thin for quite some time now. If you got it off once

you can get it off again. Not the diets fault if we do not follow it or if we go

off of it.

>

Okay. You know two examples. But tens of millions of dieters

have lost weight. Two out of that doesn't seem like very many.

Shouldn't we be able to name hundreds or thousands? Shouldn't we be

able to say we meet them every day?

There's the National Weight Control Registry at the University of

Colorado. It's attempting to study successful weight loss by looking at

successful dieters. They've found about 5000 dieters who have kept 30

pounds off for more than 5 years. (Heck, I've done that myself.

Doesn't mean I'm thin.) Don't you think out of 300 million Americans

they'd be able to fin more?

For what it's worth, they've found that there is no particular

diet that's any more successful than any other. What these successful

weight losers have in common is that they do massive amounts of

exercise. Two or three hours a day plus long hikes on the weekends.

It's not my intention to rag on you. If you choose to diet then

good luck to you.

Edd

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ssskrc@... wrote:

>

>Do you have the link for this?

>Thanks

>

>

Not any more. I found them once, but they really didn't have

much of a web site. But here's a Google search that might help you.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & ie=UTF-8 & oe=UTF-8 & q=national+weight+control+r\

egistry & spell=1

Edd

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Glory33 wrote:

>I deserve to be the thin me.

>

>

You certainly do.

>I think there are hundreds of thousands. I do not go out asking every thin

person. My cousin lost her weight once.

>

Well, why don't I leave you with this thought. Just put

it in the back of your mind and pull it out from time to time. People

love to talk about successful weight loss. Over the next year, I'm

sure you'll encounter many people who are interested in talking about

their successes or the successes of people they know. When this

happens, make a mental note to yourself to notice how long each of these

individuals have kept their weights off. See what you find.

Edd

[Guest guest]

On our Yahoo homepage it says we have 796 members . Lets start with a

little survey of these folks, why don't we.

I lost 40 pounds 4 years ago and I have kept it off. I was seriously low

carbing and wanting to lose, I had a hysterectomy which further helped some,

but I resumed my lcing and the weight came off nicely. I have kept these

pounds off, and hope to lose another 40 this year, using the low carb eating

way of life and walking two to three miles a day.

I am thwarted at the moment with 30 to 40 below windchills and subzero

temps, but as soon as the weather gets back to something above zero, we will

be walking again (my dogs and I).

Jo in Chillyville, MN

Re: Weight Loss StrategiesEDD

> Glory33 wrote:

>

>

> >I deserve to be the thin me.

> >

> >

>

> You certainly do.

>

>

> >I think there are hundreds of thousands. I do not go out asking every

thin person. My cousin lost her weight once.

> >

>

> Well, why don't I leave you with this thought. Just put

> it in the back of your mind and pull it out from time to time. People

> love to talk about successful weight loss. Over the next year, I'm

> sure you'll encounter many people who are interested in talking about

> their successes or the successes of people they know. When this

> happens, make a mental note to yourself to notice how long each of these

> individuals have kept their weights off. See what you find.

>

[Guest guest]

I have a cousin, who started WW about 20 years ago...she went regularly,

followed the diet and exercise plan, changed her eating habits and has kept the

weight off. Once she lost the initial weight, she did not have to go everyweek.

For several years, she just goes once a month to weight in and check to see if

there is anything new.

For instance, her main snack is apple slices with a little peanut butter spread

on them with raisins on top of the peanut butter...instead of pie, cake, candy

or cookies...her beverages of choice are water, diet colas, or coffee. And she

walks several miles a week because of pain from Osteoporosis...the walking helps

to make her bones stronger and helps make the pain go away after she starts

walking.

Now me, on the other hand, I tried it one time, (notice I said one time)...it

was far more food than I could eat in a day...it would be bedtime and I still

had several foods to go...but I think the secret is eating the right

combinations of food at certain times of the day...I have learned this since I

have become a diabetic and have attended several nutrition classes taught by the

nurses at the Endocrinologist office, their diabetic plan is different from the

one in the hospital.

Eleanor

Re: Weight Loss StrategiesEDD

Glory33 wrote:

>There are W/W successes. I have been to the meetings and heard their stories

and saw their results.

>

I'm a Weight Watcher graduate myself. I lost lots of weight

on WW. I've seen their success stories too. But tell me, those

successes you saw at WW, how long had they kept their weight off? How

many years? 5? 10? 15? or were they new successes? WW is no more

successful in the long run than any other diet. Millions of people

have cycled through WW over several decades. By now, the streets should

be full of thin WW graduates. But I don't see them. I'm a graduate

myself, but I'm not a thin one.