Re: Re: Did you change your diet?

[Guest guest]

I do read labels! I know it is not nutritionally the same

as cow’s milk. But I like it, it works on my cereal and I abhor the

taste of cow’s milk and soy milk. So, for me, it works and perhaps it may

work for others. As for dairy protein, I do like yoghurt and the non fat

brand I buy has 8 grams of protein and 80 calories. I am not a vegetarian

and my diet has changed in that the only red meats I eat are buffalo (bison),

venison, and other wild game. And that is only a couple of times a

week.

I do thank you for your candid comments.

Dave

From: ProstateCancerSupport

[mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of C

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:56 PM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: Re: Did you change your diet?

IMHO, " almond milk " is a marketing gimmick. By calling it

" milk " , the manufacturer is letting you _assume_ that it's a

substitute for cow's milk.

But almond " milk " has _very little protein_. It's a _lousy_

substitute for either cow's milk, or soy milk.

Start reading labels!

PS -- I'll stop these posts soon. I have fixed ideas on non-meat diets, based

on 30 years as a vegetarian. And I tend to get a bit shrill . . .

>

> Don't like soy milk, but do like almond milk. There are several different

> flavors and calorie ranges.

>

> Dave

>

[Guest guest]

....and speaking of yogurt, my wife has switched us to Greek yogurt, a different animal than the sugary stuff that passes for yogurt with the major league brand names on it. We get ours at Costco, but it's becoming available everywhere in the area (MW USA). The brand name we buy is Chobani, and, no, I don't make a nickel from it. Higher in protein, fiber and lots of good stuff than the Dannons and Yoplaits of the world. Less sugar for sure. I must try the almond milk, although I love dairy in all is forms, perhaps to my detriment. AND my hamburgers.

Tom/65/dx 4/09/3+3/PSA 0.1/44 IGRT treatments

RE: Re: Did you change your diet?

I do read labels! I know it is not nutritionally the same as cow’s milk. But I like it, it works on my cereal and I abhor the taste of cow’s milk and soy milk. So, for me, it works and perhaps it may work for others. As for dairy protein, I do like yoghurt and the non fat brand I buy has 8 grams of protein and 80 calories. I am not a vegetarian and my diet has changed in that the only red meats I eat are buffalo (bison), venison, and other wild game. And that is only a couple of times a week.

I do thank you for your candid comments.

Dave

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of CSent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:56 PMTo: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: Re: Did you change your diet?

IMHO, "almond milk" is a marketing gimmick. By calling it "milk", the manufacturer is letting you _assume_ that it's a substitute for cow's milk.But almond "milk" has _very little protein_. It's a _lousy_ substitute for either cow's milk, or soy milk.Start reading labels!PS -- I'll stop these posts soon. I have fixed ideas on non-meat diets, based on 30 years as a vegetarian. And I tend to get a bit shrill . . . >> Don't like soy milk, but do like almond milk. There are several different> flavors and calorie ranges.> > Dave>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tom, my wife and I discussed this the other day, think I'll make the switch, at least give it a try

 

....and speaking of yogurt, my wife has switched us to Greek yogurt, a different animal than the sugary stuff that passes for yogurt with the major league brand names on it. We get ours at Costco, but it's becoming available everywhere in the area (MW USA). The brand name we buy is Chobani, and, no, I don't make a nickel from it. Higher in protein, fiber and lots of good stuff than the Dannons and Yoplaits of the world. Less sugar for sure. I must try the almond milk, although I love dairy in all is forms, perhaps to my detriment. AND my hamburgers.

 

Tom/65/dx 4/09/3+3/PSA 0.1/44 IGRT treatments

 

 

RE: Re: Did you change your diet?

 

I do read labels!  I know it is not nutritionally the same as cow’s milk.  But I like it, it works on my cereal and I abhor the taste of cow’s milk and soy milk. So, for me, it works and perhaps it may work for others.  As for dairy protein, I do like yoghurt and the non fat brand I buy has 8 grams of protein and 80 calories.  I am not a vegetarian and my diet has changed in that the only red meats I eat are buffalo (bison), venison, and other wild game.   And that is only a couple of times a week.

I do thank you for your candid comments.

Dave

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of CSent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:56 PMTo: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: Re: Did you change your diet?

 

IMHO, " almond milk " is a marketing gimmick. By calling it " milk " , the manufacturer is letting you _assume_ that it's a substitute for cow's milk.But almond " milk " has _very little protein_. It's a _lousy_ substitute for either cow's milk, or soy milk.Start reading labels!PS -- I'll stop these posts soon. I have fixed ideas on non-meat diets, based on 30 years as a vegetarian. And I tend to get a bit shrill . . . >> Don't like soy milk, but do like almond milk. There are several different> flavors and calorie ranges.> > Dave>

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Every 16.5 minutes a man, dies from the disease.

[Guest guest]

Ok Guys,

I have been reading your post about Diet and supplements. I have developed at list of supplements and trying to tun to at least a vegetarian. I would prefer actually for my health to go vegan fat free but just cannot at present. Whether it does any good or not there is not real scientific evidence related to the whole dietary stuff. Each one I have chosen has some scientific evidence that cancer does not like. It makes me feel secure and that I am doing what I can. I have not been keeping up with your post until now because I have been seeing a lot of doctors for everything since I got back from Thailand.

So I am getting colonoscopy(sp) this week and get a phone call from them about the procedure and what I am to do before. I have to cut out half my meds and about 3/4 of my supplements for fear of bleeding. I feel vulnerable and insecure.

My PSA is 0.1 from 0.4 great. My MD Oncologist feels interruption gives the PCa to much a chance of mutating so under his direction will be on lupron until it stops working. My symptoms I thought were Lupron related turn out to be mainly allergy related. My Apnea doctor checked my breathing meds and it turns out I needed more allergy meds than asthma meds. I feel a ton better. Like a new lease on life (I was struggling for breathing and body aches and pains related to it-tough to do anything). So there is good news for me. If you are like me check on your allergies and maybe you can feel better. Related issue he prescribed an inhaler for asthma- steroids.The medical people said no problem and I have refused them. I will ask the pulmanologist for another solution and nicely call his attention to my PCa. All of which makes me wonder if foods oestr(sp) in them which veggies have steroids and/or

testosterone like substances in them-interesting.

Guys I am scared when this lupron stops working what will I do and you guys give me hope with you courage-thanks.

Thanks guys,

Tom

To: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 6:52:36 PMSubject: Re: Did you change your diet?

PMFJI --You _can't_ just "cut out red meat". You must think like a vegetarian, to fill that empty space on the plate where a "main course" used to be.Here are some ideas:1. If you're eating fish, there are infinite possibilities -- see any cookbook. 2. Many Asian societies use soy products -- tofu, soy milk, etc -- as a regular part of their diets. See most Asian cookbooks, or any Asian vegetarian cookbook. Tofu is available in most of the US, if you look around. It's almost tasteless, so you'll have to learn to season it. But the Asians worked that out long ago.3. There are many "soy substitutes" on the market, designed around Western tastes -- soy burgers, soy hot dogs, soy cutlets. They're more expensive than tofu, but as somebody said to me, "Sometimes you just want something to put inside a hamburger bun!"Costco (in Canada) has frozen "Gardenburgers" -- they're excellent. There's a little cheese in

them, though.4. Beans -- red beans, black beans, chickpeas, etc -- are a good source of both protein and fiber. If gas is a problem, try using "Beano" to help digestion.5. Learn about casserole cooking, and "meal-in-a-baking-dish" cooking. I've been doing a Mexican-style baked dish (corn tortillas, tofu, a little cheese, vegetables, and salsa). Microwaved, it's quick, tasty, and very nutritious.6. Adjust to using many more spices, and more of them, than you're used to. "Salt and pepper" doesn't cut it on a vegetarian diet.If you think:. . . "What can I substitute for the meat?"you'll have a hard time. You have to go whole-hog:. . . "What _meal_ can I make which will taste good and be nutritionally adequate?"The answer will often be in a third-world, or Mediterranean, cookbook.>> Hi : Where do you get daily protein from? Did you also do things like switch from white to brown rice?   I am changing my lifestyle - from chicken/no red meat, like you, to no meat - and am struggling to find vegie proteins. >

[Guest guest]

Ok Guys,

Maybe some one has research on this that is verifiable information. From what I read cancer likes fat and sugar so I have reduced and almost eliminated these things from my diet except what is naturally in the foods I eat.

Tom

To: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 10:07:29 AMSubject: Re: Re: Did you change your diet?

....and speaking of yogurt, my wife has switched us to Greek yogurt, a different animal than the sugary stuff that passes for yogurt with the major league brand names on it. We get ours at Costco, but it's becoming available everywhere in the area (MW USA). The brand name we buy is Chobani, and, no, I don't make a nickel from it. Higher in protein, fiber and lots of good stuff than the Dannons and Yoplaits of the world. Less sugar for sure. I must try the almond milk, although I love dairy in all is forms, perhaps to my detriment. AND my hamburgers.

Tom/65/dx 4/09/3+3/PSA 0.1/44 IGRT treatments

RE: Re: Did you change your diet?

I do read labels! I know it is not nutritionally the same as cow’s milk. But I like it, it works on my cereal and I abhor the taste of cow’s milk and soy milk. So, for me, it works and perhaps it may work for others. As for dairy protein, I do like yoghurt and the non fat brand I buy has 8 grams of protein and 80 calories. I am not a vegetarian and my diet has changed in that the only red meats I eat are buffalo (bison), venison, and other wild game. And that is only a couple of times a week.

I do thank you for your candid comments.

Dave

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of CSent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:56 PMTo: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: Re: Did you change your diet?

IMHO, "almond milk" is a marketing gimmick. By calling it "milk", the manufacturer is letting you _assume_ that it's a substitute for cow's milk.But almond "milk" has _very little protein_. It's a _lousy_ substitute for either cow's milk, or soy milk.Start reading labels!PS -- I'll stop these posts soon. I have fixed ideas on non-meat diets, based on 30 years as a vegetarian. And I tend to get a bit shrill . . . >> Don't like soy milk, but do like almond milk. There are several different> flavors and calorie ranges.> > Dave>

[Guest guest]

Guys and Gals(Texas Words),

I am angry and feel betrayed by my doctors. I just looked up prednisone to check to see if I can us it to help my feet come back from my back operation. It say it is an imunosuppressant. My PSA was in control until I took Prednisone and had a epidural in my back which involves cortisone. I know there are much more complicated relationships than this and if my immune system was suppressed and contributed to my PCa coming back. I just turned down a nasal spray with steroids for my asthma because of possible effects on my cancer but that they pieced me out and did not pay attention to the whole of me and possible effects on my life. I would say Pissed but that means to you guys in the UK drunk. In America means extreme anger.

I know scientific evidence. It suppresses your immune!

Tom

To: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 2:43:44 PMSubject: Re: Re: Did you change your diet?

Ok Guys,

I have been reading your post about Diet and supplements. I have developed at list of supplements and trying to tun to at least a vegetarian. I would prefer actually for my health to go vegan fat free but just cannot at present. Whether it does any good or not there is not real scientific evidence related to the whole dietary stuff. Each one I have chosen has some scientific evidence that cancer does not like. It makes me feel secure and that I am doing what I can. I have not been keeping up with your post until now because I have been seeing a lot of doctors for everything since I got back from Thailand.

So I am getting colonoscopy(sp) this week and get a phone call from them about the procedure and what I am to do before. I have to cut out half my meds and about 3/4 of my supplements for fear of bleeding. I feel vulnerable and insecure.

My PSA is 0.1 from 0.4 great. My MD Oncologist feels interruption gives the PCa to much a chance of mutating so under his direction will be on lupron until it stops working. My symptoms I thought were Lupron related turn out to be mainly allergy related. My Apnea doctor checked my breathing meds and it turns out I needed more allergy meds than asthma meds. I feel a ton better. Like a new lease on life (I was struggling for breathing and body aches and pains related to it-tough to do anything). So there is good news for me. If you are like me check on your allergies and maybe you can feel better. Related issue he prescribed an inhaler for asthma- steroids.The medical people said no problem and I have refused them. I will ask the pulmanologist for another solution and nicely call his attention to my PCa. All of which makes me wonder if foods oestr(sp) in them which veggies have steroids and/or

testosterone like substances in them-interesting.

Guys I am scared when this lupron stops working what will I do and you guys give me hope with you courage-thanks.

Thanks guys,

Tom

To: ProstateCancerSupport Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 6:52:36 PMSubject: Re: Did you change your diet?

PMFJI --You _can't_ just "cut out red meat". You must think like a vegetarian, to fill that empty space on the plate where a "main course" used to be.Here are some ideas:1. If you're eating fish, there are infinite possibilities -- see any cookbook. 2. Many Asian societies use soy products -- tofu, soy milk, etc -- as a regular part of their diets. See most Asian cookbooks, or any Asian vegetarian cookbook. Tofu is available in most of the US, if you look around. It's almost tasteless, so you'll have to learn to season it. But the Asians worked that out long ago.3. There are many "soy substitutes" on the market, designed around Western tastes -- soy burgers, soy hot dogs, soy cutlets. They're more expensive than tofu, but as somebody said to me, "Sometimes you just want something to put inside a hamburger bun!"Costco (in Canada) has frozen "Gardenburgers" -- they're excellent. There's a little cheese in

them, though.4. Beans -- red beans, black beans, chickpeas, etc -- are a good source of both protein and fiber. If gas is a problem, try using "Beano" to help digestion.5. Learn about casserole cooking, and "meal-in-a-baking-dish" cooking. I've been doing a Mexican-style baked dish (corn tortillas, tofu, a little cheese, vegetables, and salsa). Microwaved, it's quick, tasty, and very nutritious.6. Adjust to using many more spices, and more of them, than you're used to. "Salt and pepper" doesn't cut it on a vegetarian diet.If you think:. . . "What can I substitute for the meat?"you'll have a hard time. You have to go whole-hog:. . . "What _meal_ can I make which will taste good and be nutritionally adequate?"The answer will often be in a third-world, or Mediterranean, cookbook.>> Hi : Where do you get daily protein from? Did you also do things like switch from white to brown rice?   I am changing my lifestyle - from chicken/no red meat, like you, to no meat - and am struggling to find vegie proteins. >