Re: Anyone heard fo Graviola

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Larry wrote:

> My brother-in-law has been bugging me about taking Graviola as

> a holistic alternative or addition to my current cancer

> treatments. he forwarded me this link

> https://web-purchases.com/HSI/MHSIL403/landing.html that I

> should read. Sounded like a lot of hype and it is difficult to

> sort out the BS. I was wondering if anyone else here has any

> information or experience with it.

>

> I am a little skeptical, the first thing he had recommended to

> me when I was first diagnosed was something for prostate

> health. I read the label and one of the first things it stated

> it did was promote testosterone production. A direct conflict

> with my hormone treatments.

I'm afraid I'm a lot more than " a little skeptical " about that

web page. There are so many obvious lies and statements

made up out of whole cloth, that I wouldn't trust a single word

on the page.

It's hard to resist statements like the ones on that web page.

People look at them and say, well, maybe it's an exaggeration.

Maybe it's only 50% true. Maybe it's only 10% true. Hell, even

if it's only 1% true it's worth trying. That's why the headlines

on the page say: " 10,000 times stronger than chemo...! " . If that

were only 1% true, it would still be 100 times stronger than

chemo.

But that's the wrong way to think about it. I don't believe that

these people are wildly exaggerating basically true information.

I think they are professional liars who make their living by

telling lies to sick people - often convincing them to give up

life saving or life extending treatments in order to buy the crap

that the quacks are selling. Suffering and death mean nothing to

them. It's money they're after.

It's ironic isn't it that they accuse some unnamed pharmaceutical

company of suppressing the truth in order to make more money. Is

that the pot calling the kettle black, or what?

> I am not against holistic medicines, it is just hard to find

> trustworthy sources.

Exactly. Some of these things may help. Some may hurt. Most do

nothing at all. But when there are no properly conducted

scientific studies, there's no way to tell which are which.

I have taken some supplements that I know are safe and cheap and

have _some_ bits of evidence for them, for example pomegranate

juice or green tea or vitamin C or D. But I wouldn't take

anything like that as an alternative to medical treatment. I

wouldn't take something that I didn't already know to be safe.

And I wouldn't take anything that was only available from an

obviously fraudulent source like this one.

Who knows if what they sell you even contains " Graviola " ,

whatever that is? It could be a compound of floor sweepings and

dust bunnies packaged in capsules.

Alan

[Guest guest]

A quick search on the net reveals Sloan-Kettering quote studies that Graviola may cause nuerological damage resulting in symptoms similar to Parkinson's.

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Re: Anyone heard fo Graviola

Larry <lhelberhelberhut> wrote:> My brother-in-law has been bugging me about taking Graviola as> a holistic alternative or addition to my current cancer> treatments. he forwarded me this link> https://web-purchases.com/HSI/MHSIL403/landing.html that I> should read. Sounded like a lot of hype and it is difficult to> sort out the BS. I was wondering if anyone else here has any> information or experience with it.> > I am a little skeptical, the first thing he had recommended to> me when I was first diagnosed was something for prostate> health. I read the label and one of the first things it stated> it did was promote testosterone production. A direct conflict> with my hormone treatments.I'm afraid I'm a lot more than "a little skeptical" about thatweb page. There are so many obvious lies and statementsmade up out of whole cloth, that I wouldn't trust a single wordon the page.It's hard to resist statements like the ones on that web page.People look at them and say, well, maybe it's an exaggeration.Maybe it's only 50% true. Maybe it's only 10% true. Hell, evenif it's only 1% true it's worth trying. That's why the headlineson the page say: "10,000 times stronger than chemo...!". If thatwere only 1% true, it would still be 100 times stronger thanchemo.But that's the wrong way to think about it. I don't believe thatthese people are wildly exaggerating basically true information.I think they are professional liars who make their living bytelling lies to sick people - often convincing them to give uplife saving or life extending treatments in order to buy the crapthat the quacks are selling. Suffering and death mean nothing tothem. It's money they're after.It's ironic isn't it that they accuse some unnamed pharmaceuticalcompany of suppressing the truth in order to make more money. Isthat the pot calling the kettle black, or what?> I am not against holistic medicines, it is just hard to find> trustworthy sources.Exactly. Some of these things may help. Some may hurt. Most donothing at all. But when there are no properly conductedscientific studies, there's no way to tell which are which.I have taken some supplements that I know are safe and cheap andhave _some_ bits of evidence for them, for example pomegranatejuice or green tea or vitamin C or D. But I wouldn't takeanything like that as an alternative to medical treatment. Iwouldn't take something that I didn't already know to be safe.And I wouldn't take anything that was only available from anobviously fraudulent source like this one.Who knows if what they sell you even contains "Graviola",whatever that is? It could be a compound of floor sweepings anddust bunnies packaged in capsules.Alan

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From that Web page:

>>>

Over 10 years ago, a brilliant group of researchers set out to evaluate the

cancer-blocking properties of the common mineral selenium. They found it reduced

lung cancer risk by a whopping 46%, colon cancer risk by 58%, and prostate

cancer by 62%!! Their findings were published in the Journal of The American

Medical Association...seven years later!

<<<

The most-recent large study of selenium and vitamin E (the " SELECT " study) was

stopped early, because no benefit could be shown, and there were small

_negative_ health effects. I can't remember the details, but you can find

reports of the study on the Web.

Take a look here for more information on the herb Graviola:

http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69245.cfm

But I read most of the " Graviola " page you referenced, and I didn't see a clear

statement of what was _actually in the supplement_.

I'd steer clear of any supplement that cures _everything_, and that doesn't

clearly state what's in it.

>

> My brother-in-law has been bugging me about taking Graviola as a holistic

alternative or addition to my current cancer treatments. he forwarded me this

link https://web-purchases.com/HSI/MHSIL403/landing.html that I should read.

Sounded like a lot of hype and it is difficult to sort out the BS. I was

wondering if anyone else here has any information or experience with it.

>

> I am a little skeptical, the first thing he had recommended to me when I was

first diagnosed was something for prostate health. I read the label and one of

the first things it stated it did was promote testosterone production. A direct

conflict with my hormone treatments.

>

> I am not against holistic medicines, it is just hard to find trustworthy

sources.

>

[Guest guest]

Alan Meyer is right on!!Bob G

Larry <lhelberhelberhut> wrote:

> My brother-in-law has been bugging me about taking Graviola as

> a holistic alternative or addition to my current cancer

> treatments. he forwarded me this link

> https://web-purchases.com/HSI/MHSIL403/landing.html that I

> should read. Sounded like a lot of hype and it is difficult to

> sort out the BS. I was wondering if anyone else here has any

> information or experience with it.

>

> I am a little skeptical, the first thing he had recommended to

> me when I was first diagnosed was something for prostate

> health. I read the label and one of the first things it stated

> it did was promote testosterone production. A direct conflict

> with my hormone treatments.

I'm afraid I'm a lot more than "a little skeptical" about that

web page. There are so many obvious lies and statements

made up out of whole cloth, that I wouldn't trust a single word

on the page.

It's hard to resist statements like the ones on that web page.

People look at them and say, well, maybe it's an exaggeration.

Maybe it's only 50% true. Maybe it's only 10% true. Hell, even

if it's only 1% true it's worth trying. That's why the headlines

on the page say: "10,000 times stronger than chemo...!". If that

were only 1% true, it would still be 100 times stronger than

chemo.

But that's the wrong way to think about it. I don't believe that

these people are wildly exaggerating basically true information.

I think they are professional liars who make their living by

telling lies to sick people - often convincing them to give up

life saving or life extending treatments in order to buy the crap

that the quacks are selling. Suffering and death mean nothing to

them. It's money they're after.

It's ironic isn't it that they accuse some unnamed pharmaceutical

company of suppressing the truth in order to make more money. Is

that the pot calling the kettle black, or what?

> I am not against holistic medicines, it is just hard to find

> trustworthy sources.

Exactly. Some of these things may help. Some may hurt. Most do

nothing at all. But when there are no properly conducted

scientific studies, there's no way to tell which are which.

I have taken some supplements that I know are safe and cheap and

have _some_ bits of evidence for them, for example pomegranate

juice or green tea or vitamin C or D. But I wouldn't take

anything like that as an alternative to medical treatment. I

wouldn't take something that I didn't already know to be safe.

And I wouldn't take anything that was only available from an

obviously fraudulent source like this one.

Who knows if what they sell you even contains "Graviola",

whatever that is? It could be a compound of floor sweepings and

dust bunnies packaged in capsules.

Alan