Re: Buttermilk versus Kefir

[Guest guest]

Susie,

I think I might know what you mean . . .

> Oddly enough, I was thinking that removing the kefir might have

> caused my intestinal health to go backwards.

When I stopped drinking the kefir, things got worse for me too. At

the same time I also had to stop the yogurt because it started to

cause bloating. It took me a while to figure out that I could handle

it if it was dripped. So, when I stopped the kefir I essentially

stopped all probiotics.

This is what I have surmized. When I was drinking the kefir I was

putting in bacteria that was good for me, as well as stuff that was

bad for me. They were fighting each other and I had some symptoms of

that, though it took a while to notice. When I stopped drinking it

all the stuff that was bad for me took over in a vicious way - the

yeast mainly. That was about 6 weeks ago and I'm still battling it.

> I don't know for sure, but I had my own milk goats and was making

> my own kefir and I was having no stomach problems.

I was using raw cows milk to use my kefir and didn't find out till

after the fact - raw milk is illegal on this diet. I don't remember

all the details about it, but you can do a search here on the forum

and read it yourself.

Orlinda - OR

Celiac - 2006

SCD - 2007

[Guest guest]

Orlinda,

I just read that kefir alleviates lactose intolerance. That was

something I didn't know, and that would make sense for me, because that

is what is giving me fits right now, the dairy. I can't imagine why

raw milk would be prohibited.

Susie

Beginner SCD

Orlinda wrote:

Susie,

I think I might know what you mean . . .

> Oddly enough, I was thinking that removing the kefir might have

> caused my intestinal health to go backwards.

When I stopped drinking the kefir, things got worse for me too. At

the same time I also had to stop the yogurt because it started to

cause bloating. It took me a while to figure out that I could handle

it if it was dripped. So, when I stopped the kefir I essentially

stopped all probiotics.

This is what I have surmized. When I was drinking the kefir I was

putting in bacteria that was good for me, as well as stuff that was

bad for me. They were fighting each other and I had some symptoms of

that, though it took a while to notice. When I stopped drinking it

all the stuff that was bad for me took over in a vicious way - the

yeast mainly. That was about 6 weeks ago and I'm still battling it.

> I don't know for sure, but I had my own milk goats and was making

> my own kefir and I was having no stomach problems.

I was using raw cows milk to use my kefir and didn't find out till

after the fact - raw milk is illegal on this diet. I don't remember

all the details about it, but you can do a search here on the forum

and read it yourself.

Orlinda - OR

Celiac - 2006

SCD - 2007

[Guest guest]

At 05:51 PM 2/24/2008, you wrote:

I can't imagine why raw milk

would be prohibited.

Susie,

Milk may only be used if it is fermented as SCD yogurt, turned into

butter, or cheese.

SCD directions call for milk used to make yogurt to be pasteurized and

then cooled before adding the starter culture. After that, it is

fermented for at least 24 hours.

Some raw milk advocates say that true raw milk is clean, without

extraneous bacteria, and that one can just add starter, and ferment it,

without pasteurizing it.

Back when I was beginning a raw diet for my fur kids, the Dachshund Duo,

I was desperately worried about feeding them raw chicken -- salmonella!

And who knows what other kind of bacteria! My vet advised me that she had

never seen a healthy animal started on raw food who became ill -- in all

her years of practice, only one, who was sick when the owner tried the

switch, became ill.

Raw milk people are doubtless right about their particular passion, and

it's certain that we humans have drunk raw milk for far longer than we

have drunk pasteurized. However, we who are on SCD are NOT healthy

initially. And like that poor sick dog, we don't want to throw more at

our systems than they are ready for.

It's like the difference between cooked and raw veggies.

We eliminate all but the specific bacterial strains we want from the milk

we are culturing into yogurt. We starve out the bad bacteria, and

introduce (through our yogurt) specific, well-studied strains which we

know are beneficial. We let our system adjust to eating human style

instead of rumen style. THEN, and only then, do we consider adding

things.

I feel that raw milk yogurt should be regarded like kefir -- a very

advanced food, to be used only after significant healing has taken place.

—

Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund