Re: Re: A blog

[Guest guest]

I get somewhat concerned when there is no

data how big a problem this is – Tanzania does not submit data to

the World Health Organisation – and I see that there is this quote on the

blog:

“We don’t have statistics on prostate cancer. But from

general observations it seems the disease is affecting many people” and

that “prostate cancer causes many deaths in the country because of lack

of sensitization to the sufferers”.

Given the median age for prostate cancer death

being over 80 years of age and the male life expectancy in Tanzania of 51

years, it seems that donations to an organization like this might be better

directed to organizations where there is more certainty that it will be applied

for the benefit of men with prostate cancer.

All the best

Prostate men need enlightening, not

frightening

Terry Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and

still going strong

Read A Strange Place for unbiased information at http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html

From: ProstateCancerSupport

[mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Prostate Cancer

Sent: Wednesday, 27 April 2011

4:05 AM

To:

advancedprostatecancer

Cc: ProstateCancerSupport;

prostatic-diseases-treatments

Subject:

Re: A blog

I got this from a blog:

FYI: http://udadisi.blogspot.com/2011/04/prevent-prostate-cancer-in-tanzania.html

[Guest guest]

What are your assurances, Terry, that even the World Health Organization will use donated money to countries such as Tanzania to aid in the citizens of that country to afford treatment for prostate cancer. If the median age you cite is 80, then how come all the people on these support lists appear to be significantly less than 80 years of age? And is it not interesting that you find statistics that life expectancy of men in Tanzania is 51 years of age? That tells much regarding the health of citizens of that nation, and likely as well, the lack of medical knowledge to extend that life expectancy. This organization put together by a church Bishop is certainly not out to “make a buck,” but rather recognized that prostate cancer is not even understood by the government, by much of the medical community, and by the men of that country, and intends to change that as well as help those diagnosed be able to afford, at the very least, an orchiectomy, to attempt to rein in their cancer. Chuck " What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others. " (Chuck) Maack/Prostate Cancer Advocate/Mentor Wichita, Kansas Chapter, Us TOOBiography: http://www.ustoowichita.org/leaders.cfm?content=bio & id=1 Email: maack1@... Chapter Website " Observations " : http://www.ustoowichita.org/observations.cfm From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Terry HerbertSent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 4:42 PMTo: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: RE: Re: A blog I get somewhat concerned when there is no data how big a problem this is – Tanzania does not submit data to the World Health Organisation – and I see that there is this quote on the blog: “We don’t have statistics on prostate cancer. But from general observations it seems the disease is affecting many people” and that “prostate cancer causes many deaths in the country because of lack of sensitization to the sufferers”. Given the median age for prostate cancer death being over 80 years of age and the male life expectancy in Tanzania of 51 years, it seems that donations to an organization like this might be better directed to organizations where there is more certainty that it will be applied for the benefit of men with prostate cancer. All the best Prostate men need enlightening, not frighteningTerry Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and still going strongRead A Strange Place for unbiased information at http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Prostate CancerSent: Wednesday, 27 April 2011 4:05 AMTo: advancedprostatecancer Cc: ProstateCancerSupport; prostatic-diseases-treatmentsSubject: Re: A blog I got this from a blog: FYI: http://udadisi.blogspot.com/2011/04/prevent-prostate-cancer-in-tanzania.html

[Guest guest]

Whoa! Chuck.

I

never suggested that anyone should donate anything to the World Health

Organisation. I certainly wouldn’t even if they accepted donations,

which I doubt very much.

The

median age for death from prostate cancer is over 80 – which means

that half the men who die of prostate cancer are over the age of 80. In

most countries the median age for diagnosis is in the 70s. The

people who contribute to sites like these are alive, not dead, which (among

other things) accounts for their younger age

The

point about mentioning the life expectancy in Tanzania is that very few men

live long enough to achieve the median age for diagnosis let alone death

from prostate cancer.

The

medical facilities in Tanzania

and in all the so-called Third World

countries are appalling. They need all the money they can get to try and

improve those, but I’d be very surprised if prostate cancer was one

of the top twenty disease for which funds were required. The last figures

available from Zimbabwe

for example show 148 prostate cancer deaths out of a total male death

count of 21585

If

you personally know the Bishop who has put this program together and can

vouch for him, then I totally withdraw my imputation that not all the

funds might make their way to where donors intend them to go. But having lived

in countries like Tanzania

for very many years, I can assure you that very little of the donated

funds are used for what the donors intended.

All the best

Prostate men need enlightening, not

frightening

Terry Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and

still going strong

Read A Strange Place for unbiased information at http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html

From:

ProstateCancerSupport

[mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Chuck Maack

Sent: Wednesday, 27 April 2011 12:18

PM

To:

ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: RE:

Re: A blog

What are your assurances, Terry, that even the World Health

Organization will use donated money to countries such as Tanzania to aid

in the citizens of that country to afford treatment for prostate cancer.

If the median age you cite is 80, then how come all the people on

these support lists appear to be significantly less than 80 years of age?

And is it not interesting that you find statistics that life

expectancy of men in Tanzania

is 51 years of age? That tells much regarding the health of citizens of

that nation, and likely as well, the lack of medical knowledge to extend that

life expectancy.

This organization put together by a church Bishop is certainly not

out to “make a buck,” but rather recognized that prostate

cancer is not even understood by the government, by much of the medical

community, and by the men of that country, and intends to change that as well

as help those diagnosed be able to afford, at the very least, an orchiectomy,

to attempt to rein in their cancer.

Chuck

" What you leave behind is not what is

engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others. "

(Chuck) Maack/Prostate Cancer Advocate/Mentor

Wichita, Kansas Chapter, Us TOO

Biography: http://www.ustoowichita.org/leaders.cfm?content=bio & id=1

Email: maack1@...

Chapter Website " Observations " : http://www.ustoowichita.org/observations.cfm

From: ProstateCancerSupport

[mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert

Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 4:42

PM

To:

ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: RE:

Re: A blog

I get somewhat concerned when there is no data h ow big a problem

this is – Tanzania does not submit data to the World Health Organisation

– and I see that there is this quote on the blog:

“We

don’t have statistics on prostate cancer. But from general observations

it seems the disease is affecting many people” and that “prostate

cancer causes many deaths in the country because of lack of sensitization to

the sufferers”.

Given the median age for prostate cancer death being over 80 years

of age and the male life expectancy in Tanzania of 51 years, it seems that

donations to an organization like this might be better directed to

organizations where there is more certainty that it will be applied for the

benefit of men with prostate cancer.

All the best

Prostate men need enlightening, not frightening

Terry Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and still going strong

Read A Strange Place for unbiased information at http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html

From: ProstateCancerSupport

[mailto:Pr ostateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Prostate Cancer

Sent: Wednesday, 27 April 2011

4:05 AM

To:

advancedprostatecancer

Cc: ProstateCancerSupport;

prostatic-diseases-treatments

Subject:

Re: A blog

I got this from

a blog:

FYI: http://udadisi.blogspot.com/2011/04/prevent-prostate-cancer-in-tanzania.html

[Guest guest]

Here is a bit of info about Tanzania. and PCa.

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/p/prostate_cancer/stats-country.htm

http://pcafrica.wordpress.com/

There is actually quite a bit of info online and at the WHO site if you do a search. My problem with donations here is that we know that hundreds, if not thousands of organizations bleating for money right here in the U.S. are scams and even the ones that are legitimate often times prove to use 10 pct of the money for research and 90 pct for ''administrative'' costs such as salaries, pensions, travel, and the like. Then when you suggest sending money directly to Africa one must keep in mind the 10's of billions dollars

of U.S. aid and private donations transferred to such African countries to various causes over the past 3 decades have been siphoned off by generals, war lords, dictators, supreme leaders and the like which have ended up in Swiss and Luxemborg bank vaults. When it comes to charities we are the biggest suckers on the planet. Billions that have been collected by the W.H.O from our very own governments (our tax money) have been siphoned off and ferreted away by virtually everyone in the logistics chain. I'm all for helping my fellow man but you can call me a skeptic. I believe that this is a task that is better organized and administered by wealthy people who have both the time (they don't need to work) and the money (to donate and afford to lose) to devote to such an enterprise. The number of charities and organizations daily begging for money in the print,

internet and visual media are endless in our own respective countries. Every country on the planet has a Prostate cancer charity with probably the exception of Laos which seems not to have PCa, and , perhaps Korea which has so little of it. I believe that unless one is wealthy, the responsibility to donate funds to cancer causes should be the burden of the healthy as they may one day benefit from their donations. People who already have cancer and their families are struggling with the heavy burden of their own emotional, psychological and financial problems . My opinion of course.

bob

Subject: RE: Re: A blogTo: ProstateCancerSupport Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 5:41 PM

I get somewhat concerned when there is no data how big a problem this is – Tanzania does not submit data to the World Health Organisation – and I see that there is this quote on the blog:

“We don’t have statistics on prostate cancer. But from general observations it seems the disease is affecting many people†and that “prostate cancer causes many deaths in the country because of lack of sensitization to the sufferersâ€.

Given the median age for prostate cancer death being over 80 years of age and the male life expectancy in Tanzania of 51 years, it seems that donations to an organization like this might be better directed to organizations where there is more certainty that it will be applied for the benefit of men with prostate cancer.

All the best

Prostate men need enlightening, not frightening

Terry Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and still going strong

Read A Strange Place for unbiased information at http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Prostate CancerSent: Wednesday, 27 April 2011 4:05 AMTo: advancedprostatecancer Cc: ProstateCancerSupport; prostatic-diseases-treatmentsSubject: Re: A blog

I got this from a blog:

FYI: http://udadisi.blogspot.com/2011/04/prevent-prostate-cancer-in-tanzania.html

[Guest guest]

Chuck wrote:

"If the median age you cite is 80, then how come all the people on these support lists appear to be significantly less than 80 years of age?"

Since I passed the median mark a couple of weeks ago I have noted that it is difficult to find anyone in my age range on the internet or among my past aquaintances. Octogenarians are sadly unrepresented in the general population it seems. We...the geezers....also tend to be less communicative because of our tendency to think we have seen it all anyway. Just sayin.

"Yesterday,All my troubles seemed so far away,Now it looks as though they're here to stay,Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Suddenly,I'm not half the man I used to be,There's a shadow hanging over me,Oh, yesterday came suddenly." The Beatles

Re: A blog

I got this from a blog:

FYI: http://udadisi.blogspot.com/2011/04/prevent-prostate-cancer-in-tanzania.html