Quercetin Plus (Prostasol) & Dr. Kurt Donsbach

[Guest guest]

(1) The latest vlog (video blog) from Dr. Snuffy Myers references Quercetin Plus

(QP) and " Dr. " Donsbach. Snuffy is very critical. See:

http://www.prostateforum.com/ask-dr-myers.html

(2) The latest on Donsbach, marketer of QP who was arrested last year: he

pleaded guilty to thirteen felonies: five counts of practicing medicine without

a license, five counts of selling/distributing misbranded drugs, and one count

each of of attempted grand theft, grand theft, and being a felon in possession

of a firearm. He also admitted that he personally inflicted a great bodily

injury on one of the victims related to the unlicensed practice of medicine. The

Court agreed to sentence Donsbach to probation, which will include restrictions

against practicing medicine and distributing dietary supplements, and possible

custody in the county jail. Per National Council Against Health Fraud

http://www.ncahf.org/digest10/10-50.html

:yahoo: Thank Bog.

Regards,

Steve J

[Guest guest]

You posted this previously, Steve. I asked

then if you knew what Donsbach’s sentence was – he was due for

sentencing on March 4 2011

All the best

Prostate men need enlightening, not

frightening

Terry Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and

still going strong

Read A Strange Place for unbiased information at http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of mycroft1958

Sent: Monday, 21 March 2011 10:04

AM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject:

Quercetin Plus (Prostasol) & " Dr. " Kurt Donsbach

(1) The latest vlog (video blog) from Dr. Snuffy Myers references Quercetin Plus (QP) and

" Dr. " Donsbach. Snuffy is very critical. See:

http://www.prostateforum.com/ask-dr-myers.html

(2) The latest on Donsbach, marketer of QP who was arrested last year: he

pleaded guilty to thirteen felonies: five counts of practicing medicine without

a license, five counts of selling/distributing misbranded drugs, and one count

each of of attempted grand theft, grand theft, and being a felon in possession

of a firearm. He also admitted that he personally inflicted a great bodily

injury on one of the victims related to the unlicensed practice of medicine.

The Court agreed to sentence Donsbach to probation, which will include

restrictions against practicing medicine and distributing dietary supplements,

and possible custody in the county jail. Per National Council Against Health

Fraud http://www.ncahf.org/digest10/10-50.html

:yahoo: Thank Bog.

Regards,

Steve J

[Guest guest]

No, No, that was what was s aid at conviction last year. For some reason

unfathomable to an alien like me the report said the actual sentence would

be passed on March 4 2011. The expectation was that his sentence might

include some jail time (again)

All the best

Prostate men need enlightening, not frightening

Terry Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and still going strong

Read A Strange Place for unbiased information at

http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html

Re: Quercetin Plus (Prostasol) & " Dr. " Kurt

Donsbach

> You posted this previously, Steve. I asked then if you knew what

> Donsbach's sentence was - he was due for sentencing on March 4 2011

Ack! Phfffft!

" The Court agreed to sentence Donsbach to probation, which will

include restrictions against practicing medicine and distributing

dietary supplements, and possible custody in the county jail. "

Sigh. Tnx.

Steve J

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[Guest guest]

The Quackwatch piece says:

<snip> In 2010, Donsbach pleaded

guilty to 13 felony charges: five counts of practicing medicine without a

license, five counts of selling/distributing misbranded drugs, and one count

each of of attempted grand theft, grand theft, and being a felon in possession

of a firearm. He also admitted that he personally inflicted a great bodily

injury on one of the victims related to the unlicensed practice of medicine.

The Court agreed to sentence him to probation, which will include restrictions

against practicing medicine and distributing dietary supplements, and possible

custody in the county jail. A SENTENCING

HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 4, 2011. <snip> Hence my

question.

You are right about his not serving time

previously. I always had it in my mind that he was sentenced to jail in 1996,

but the article says <snip> On Nov. 24, 1997, Donsbach was sentenced to a

year in federal prison by a federal judge in San Diego, but the sentence was

never carried out. Donsbach was scheduled to report to prison on April 27,

1998, but his attorney said that sentence might be modified after Donsbach testified

in a trial scheduled for the following year in Texas. Although the trial was not held, the

judge wound up changing his sentence to a mere six months of " house

arrest, " during which time he was permitted to conduct business as usual

in Mexico

and elsewhere.<snip>

It is quite amazing how leniently a man like

this is treated – we have the same kind of ‘slap on the wrist’

medical review panels here in Australia.

Another aspect of the Prostasol issue is

that there seems to be a more acceptable face of the drug in Dr Ben Pfeiffer

who has achieved a good deal of positive publicity for his “Prostate

Cancer Protocol” (see http://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=1482

if you’re interested) In part this site says:

<snip> Prostasol is a herbal food supplement formulated for prostate health

containing herbs such as saw palmetto,

pygeum, reish, ginger, nettles, skullcap, beta sisterol and other

compounds. Please note that Medpro’s PROSTASOL should not be confused

with the product sold in the US

under the same name. Medpro’s PROSTASOL contains a few additional

ingredients to make it more effective, and is manufactured exclusively in the Netherlands, Europe

using ingredients regulated by the Dutch ministry of Health. Medpro´s PROSTASOL

is made under HACCP, GMP and GNP, and none of its ingredients are tainted with

synthetic oestrogens. <snip>

What this site does NOT mention is the

Danish Medicines Agency published a warning

stating in part: " The description of

the contents states that Prostasol is a pure herbal product, but a Danish

analysis shows that Prostasol contains diethylstilbestrol (synthetic

oestrogen). " DES was the ingredient that led to the banning of

PC-Spes.

I’m not opposed to the use of DES

(diethylstilbestrol) as part of a management procedure because there are many

studies that show its efficacy, but the dose needs to be controlled and care

must be taken to avoid the thrombosis episodes that were associated with the

drug in some studies. Taking Prostasol, where the ingredients are not clearly

shown and where the presence of DES is denied is not a good idea. Far better to

find a doctor who will supervise DES intake (if you can find such a person!).  When

men post their stories on the Yana site and

say they are using Prostasol I always lnk their post to the piece on the

website setting out some of the issues – that’s at http://www.yananow.org/choices.htm#pcspes

.. Despite this, the men continue to take the drugs – one man even mailing

me to say that he had indeed had a stroke which may have been connected to the

DES intake, but he still felt it was a good decision.

All the best

Prostate men need enlightening, not

frightening

Terry Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and

still going strong

Read A Strange Place for unbiased information at http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Alan Meyer

Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2011 5:39

AM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: Re:

Quercetin Plus (Prostasol) & " Dr. " Kurt

Donsbach

Terry Herbert

wrote:

> No, No, that was what was s aid at conviction last year. For

> some reason unfathomable to an alien like me the report said

> the actual sentence would be passed on March 4 2011. The

> expectation was that his sentence might include some jail time

> (again)

>

> Steve Jordan wrote:

>

> " The Court agreed to sentence Donsbach to probation, which will

> include restrictions against practicing medicine and

> distributing dietary supplements, and possible custody in the

> county jail. "

My impression from the Quackwatch

article was that there may have

been no jail time at all. The statement about expectations of

jail time might just have been wishful thinking. But I haven't

found any confirmation one way or the other.

Based on the Quackwatch article it appears that Donsbach has told

so many lies and violated probation so many times that it would

be downright stupid to imagine that he's going to respect a new

probation. It would be like asking Adolf Hitler to sign an iron

clad agreement to leave Czechoslovakia

alone. " Sure " he says,

with a gleeful smile on his face.

However, if being intelligent consists in learning from history,

it might also be stupid to imagine that a court will ever

actually send Donsbach to jail. It's never happened before.

I don't imagine that sending him to jail will teach him anything

except to be a little cagier when he next breaks the law, but at

least it would take him out of circulation for a while and maybe

send a message to his many would-be imitators.

Alan

[Guest guest]

The Quackwatch piece says:

<snip> In 2010, Donsbach pleaded

guilty to 13 felony charges: five counts of practicing medicine without a

license, five counts of selling/distributing misbranded drugs, and one count

each of of attempted grand theft, grand theft, and being a felon in possession

of a firearm. He also admitted that he personally inflicted a great bodily

injury on one of the victims related to the unlicensed practice of medicine.

The Court agreed to sentence him to probation, which will include restrictions

against practicing medicine and distributing dietary supplements, and possible

custody in the county jail. A SENTENCING

HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 4, 2011. <snip> Hence my

question.

You are right about his not serving time

previously. I always had it in my mind that he was sentenced to jail in 1996,

but the article says <snip> On Nov. 24, 1997, Donsbach was sentenced to a

year in federal prison by a federal judge in San Diego, but the sentence was

never carried out. Donsbach was scheduled to report to prison on April 27,

1998, but his attorney said that sentence might be modified after Donsbach testified

in a trial scheduled for the following year in Texas. Although the trial was not held, the

judge wound up changing his sentence to a mere six months of " house

arrest, " during which time he was permitted to conduct business as usual

in Mexico

and elsewhere.<snip>

It is quite amazing how leniently a man like

this is treated – we have the same kind of ‘slap on the wrist’

medical review panels here in Australia.

Another aspect of the Prostasol issue is

that there seems to be a more acceptable face of the drug in Dr Ben Pfeiffer

who has achieved a good deal of positive publicity for his “Prostate

Cancer Protocol” (see http://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=1482

if you’re interested) In part this site says:

<snip> Prostasol is a herbal food supplement formulated for prostate health

containing herbs such as saw palmetto,

pygeum, reish, ginger, nettles, skullcap, beta sisterol and other

compounds. Please note that Medpro’s PROSTASOL should not be confused

with the product sold in the US

under the same name. Medpro’s PROSTASOL contains a few additional

ingredients to make it more effective, and is manufactured exclusively in the Netherlands, Europe

using ingredients regulated by the Dutch ministry of Health. Medpro´s PROSTASOL

is made under HACCP, GMP and GNP, and none of its ingredients are tainted with

synthetic oestrogens. <snip>

What this site does NOT mention is the

Danish Medicines Agency published a warning

stating in part: " The description of

the contents states that Prostasol is a pure herbal product, but a Danish

analysis shows that Prostasol contains diethylstilbestrol (synthetic

oestrogen). " DES was the ingredient that led to the banning of

PC-Spes.

I’m not opposed to the use of DES

(diethylstilbestrol) as part of a management procedure because there are many

studies that show its efficacy, but the dose needs to be controlled and care

must be taken to avoid the thrombosis episodes that were associated with the

drug in some studies. Taking Prostasol, where the ingredients are not clearly

shown and where the presence of DES is denied is not a good idea. Far better to

find a doctor who will supervise DES intake (if you can find such a person!).  When

men post their stories on the Yana site and

say they are using Prostasol I always lnk their post to the piece on the

website setting out some of the issues – that’s at http://www.yananow.org/choices.htm#pcspes

.. Despite this, the men continue to take the drugs – one man even mailing

me to say that he had indeed had a stroke which may have been connected to the

DES intake, but he still felt it was a good decision.

All the best

Prostate men need enlightening, not

frightening

Terry Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and

still going strong

Read A Strange Place for unbiased information at http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Alan Meyer

Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2011 5:39

AM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: Re:

Quercetin Plus (Prostasol) & " Dr. " Kurt

Donsbach

Terry Herbert

wrote:

> No, No, that was what was s aid at conviction last year. For

> some reason unfathomable to an alien like me the report said

> the actual sentence would be passed on March 4 2011. The

> expectation was that his sentence might include some jail time

> (again)

>

> Steve Jordan wrote:

>

> " The Court agreed to sentence Donsbach to probation, which will

> include restrictions against practicing medicine and

> distributing dietary supplements, and possible custody in the

> county jail. "

My impression from the Quackwatch

article was that there may have

been no jail time at all. The statement about expectations of

jail time might just have been wishful thinking. But I haven't

found any confirmation one way or the other.

Based on the Quackwatch article it appears that Donsbach has told

so many lies and violated probation so many times that it would

be downright stupid to imagine that he's going to respect a new

probation. It would be like asking Adolf Hitler to sign an iron

clad agreement to leave Czechoslovakia

alone. " Sure " he says,

with a gleeful smile on his face.

However, if being intelligent consists in learning from history,

it might also be stupid to imagine that a court will ever

actually send Donsbach to jail. It's never happened before.

I don't imagine that sending him to jail will teach him anything

except to be a little cagier when he next breaks the law, but at

least it would take him out of circulation for a while and maybe

send a message to his many would-be imitators.

Alan

[Guest guest]

I just spent a few minutes poking around this site:

http://www.sdcourt.ca.gov/portal/page?_pageid=55,1056871 & _dad=portal & _schema=portal

 

The case record can be found but it says the case has not been mircofilmed yet.

The District Attorney's Office might have the details of the sentencing. The DA's phone number is on the site as well.

 

You would hope after multiple offenses and the number of charges in this case that it might result in a harsher sentence this time.

However, I'm not holding my breath!

 

 

 

The Quackwatch piece says:

 

<snip> In 2010, Donsbach pleaded guilty to 13 felony charges: five counts of practicing medicine without a license, five counts of selling/distributing misbranded drugs, and one count each of of attempted grand theft, grand theft, and being a felon in possession of a firearm. He also admitted that he personally inflicted a great bodily injury on one of the victims related to the unlicensed practice of medicine. The Court agreed to sentence him to probation, which will include restrictions against practicing medicine and distributing dietary supplements, and possible custody in the county jail. A SENTENCING HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 4, 2011. <snip> Hence my question.

 

You are right about his not serving time previously. I always had it in my mind that he was sentenced to jail in 1996, but the article says <snip> On Nov. 24, 1997, Donsbach was sentenced to a year in federal prison by a federal judge in San Diego, but the sentence was never carried out. Donsbach was scheduled to report to prison on April 27, 1998, but his attorney said that sentence might be modified after Donsbach testified in a trial scheduled for the following year in Texas. Although the trial was not held, the judge wound up changing his sentence to a mere six months of " house arrest, " during which time he was permitted to conduct business as usual in Mexico and elsewhere.<snip>

 

It is quite amazing how leniently a man like this is treated – we have the same kind of ‘slap on the wrist’ medical review panels here in Australia.

 

Another aspect of the Prostasol issue is that there seems to be a more acceptable face of the drug in Dr Ben Pfeiffer who has achieved a good deal of positive publicity for his “Prostate Cancer Protocol” (see http://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=1482 if you’re interested) In part this site says:

 

<snip> Prostasol is a herbal food supplement formulated for prostate health containing herbs such as saw palmetto, pygeum, reish, ginger, nettles, skullcap, beta sisterol and other compounds. Please note that Medpro’s PROSTASOL should not be confused with the product sold in the US under the same name. Medpro’s PROSTASOL contains a few additional ingredients to make it more effective, and is manufactured exclusively in the Netherlands, Europe using ingredients regulated by the Dutch ministry of Health. Medpro´s PROSTASOL is made under HACCP, GMP and GNP, and none of its ingredients are tainted with synthetic oestrogens. <snip>

 

What this site does NOT mention is the Danish Medicines Agency published a warning stating in part: " The description of the contents states that Prostasol is a pure herbal product, but a Danish analysis shows that Prostasol contains diethylstilbestrol (synthetic oestrogen). " DES was the ingredient that led to the banning of PC-Spes.

 

I’m not opposed to the use of DES (diethylstilbestrol) as part of a management procedure because there are many studies that show its efficacy, but the dose needs to be controlled and care must be taken to avoid the thrombosis episodes that were associated with the drug in some studies. Taking Prostasol, where the ingredients are not clearly shown and where the presence of DES is denied is not a good idea. Far better to find a doctor who will supervise DES intake (if you can find such a person!).  When men post their stories on the Yana site and say they are using Prostasol I always lnk their post to the piece on the website setting out some of the issues – that’s at http://www.yananow.org/choices.htm#pcspes . Despite this, the men continue to take the drugs – one man even mailing me to say that he had indeed had a stroke which may have been connected to the DES intake, but he still felt it was a good decision.

 

All the best

Prostate men need enlightening, not frightening

Terry Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and still going strong

Read A Strange Place for unbiased information at http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html

 

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Alan Meyer

Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2011 5:39 AMTo: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: Re: Quercetin Plus (Prostasol) & " Dr. " Kurt Donsbach

 

 

Terry Herbert wrote:> No, No, that was what was s aid at conviction last year. For

> some reason unfathomable to an alien like me the report said> the actual sentence would be passed on March 4 2011. The> expectation was that his sentence might include some jail time> (again)

>> Steve Jordan wrote:>> " The Court agreed to sentence Donsbach to probation, which will> include restrictions against practicing medicine and> distributing dietary supplements, and possible custody in the

> county jail. " My impression from the Quackwatch article was that there may havebeen no jail time at all. The statement about expectations ofjail time might just have been wishful thinking. But I haven't

found any confirmation one way or the other.Based on the Quackwatch article it appears that Donsbach has toldso many lies and violated probation so many times that it wouldbe downright stupid to imagine that he's going to respect a new

probation. It would be like asking Adolf Hitler to sign an ironclad agreement to leave Czechoslovakia alone. " Sure " he says,with a gleeful smile on his face.However, if being intelligent consists in learning from history,

it might also be stupid to imagine that a court will everactually send Donsbach to jail. It's never happened before.I don't imagine that sending him to jail will teach him anythingexcept to be a little cagier when he next breaks the law, but at

least it would take him out of circulation for a while and maybesend a message to his many would-be imitators.Alan

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