RE: Interesting procedure (NanoKnife-Irreversible Electroporation (IRE)

[Guest guest]

....

> There are currently pros and cons regarding the procedure, and

> though it appears quite positive, I expect many men will shy

> away from being one of the early patients in the procedure,

> particularly until covered by Medicare and other health

> insurers. Here is more info and though you have likely already

> reviewed them, others interested can find even more by

> searching the internet for NanoKnife and/or Irreversible

> Electroporation (IRE)

>

> http://tinyurl.com/32e4k3h

....

I agree that this is an interesting new technology. I would

caution everyone however that it is very much experimental.

If I were considering this treatment I'd want it to be

administered in the context of a clinical trial where the doctors

recognize that they are doing research and provide the proper

pre-procedure testing and post-procedure follow-up.

I noticed the following statement at the end of the article cited

above that describes the research on prostate electroporation in

dogs:

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Conflict of Interest

The authors are affiliated with Oncobionic Inc. a company in

the field of irreversible electroporation and may benefit

financially from this study.

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I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just expressing some

caution. There is a huge amount of hype that surrounds every new

prostate cancer treatment. In many cases, the hype turns out to

be just that. I can remember, for example, how many patients for

cryosurgery and HIFU were convinced that they were getting a

superior treatment with fewer or no side effects, then found

themselves totally impotent and with their cancer not cured.

That happened to Steve Jordan, a now deceased member of this

group who had cryosurgery.

Alan

[Guest guest]

I had a good look around for IRE

some months ago when one of the YANA men

– Tweed (story at http://www.yananow.org/Mentors/T.htm

) was very keen on the therapy. My views at the time are incorporated in his

story, but essentially this is what I said:

[This seems to be very much an

experimental therapy - quote from one websites says: " As of March 31,

2010, physicians have treated a total of 154 patients in 11 centers around the

world, utilizing the NanoKnife IRE System. Procedures have been performed on

many different organs, INCLUDING PROSTATE, liver, lung and pancreas. " One

of the users is Alfred Hospital in Melbourne Australia

but they only have prostate cancer as a projected application.]

The problem as I see it is the same as all

the focal therapies – how do you identify the site of the tumour? Most prostate

cancer tumours are spread through the gland – which is why biopsy

procedures are hit and miss. Because the IRE procedure requires the electrodes

to be in the close vicinity of the tumour, it is difficult to understand

how it can be effective for prostate cancer.

All the best

Prostate men need enlightening, not

frightening

Terry

Herbert - diagnosed in 1996 and

still going strong

Read A Strange Place for unbiased information at http://www.yananow.org/StrangePlace/index.html

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Alan Meyer

Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2012

7:21 AM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: RE:

Interesting procedure (NanoKnife-Irreversible

Electroporation (IRE)

....

> There are currently pros and cons regarding the procedure, and

> though it appears quite positive, I expect many men will shy

> away from being one of the early patients in the procedure,

> particularly until covered by Medicare and other health

> insurers. Here is more info and though you have likely already

> reviewed them, others interested can find even more by

> searching the internet for NanoKnife and/or Irreversible

> Electroporation (IRE)

>

> http://tinyurl.com/32e4k3h

....

I agree that this is an interesting new technology. I would

caution everyone however that it is very much experimental.

If I were considering this treatment I'd want it to be

administered in the context of a clinical trial where the doctors

recognize that they are doing research and provide the proper

pre-procedure testing and post-procedure follow-up.

I noticed the following statement at the end of the article cited

above that describes the research on prostate electroporation in

dogs:

----------------------------------------------------------

Conflict of Interest

The authors are affiliated with Oncobionic Inc. a company in

the field of irreversible electroporation and may benefit

financially from this study.

----------------------------------------------------------

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just expressing some

caution. There is a huge amount of hype that surrounds every new

prostate cancer treatment. In many cases, the hype turns out to

be just that. I can remember, for example, how many patients for

cryosurgery and HIFU were convinced that they were getting a

superior treatment with fewer or no side effects, then found

themselves totally impotent and with their cancer not cured.

That happened to Steve Jordan, a now deceased member of this

group who had cryosurgery.

Alan

[Guest guest]

Alan wrote:

> I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just expressing some

> caution. There is a huge amount of hype that surrounds every new

> prostate cancer treatment. In many cases, the hype turns out to

> be just that.

One way of thinking about Dr. Onik is that he's an expert, a pioneer in new

treatments for prostate cancer.

Another way is that in the past -- in the case of focal cryotherapy -- he

over-promised, and under-delivered.

Maybe this time he'll do better.

PS -- Please forgive my cynicism.

>

> ...

> > There are currently pros and cons regarding the procedure, and

> > though it appears quite positive, I expect many men will shy

> > away from being one of the early patients in the procedure,

> > particularly until covered by Medicare and other health

> > insurers. Here is more info and though you have likely already

> > reviewed them, others interested can find even more by

> > searching the internet for NanoKnife and/or Irreversible

> > Electroporation (IRE)

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/32e4k3h

> ...

>

> I agree that this is an interesting new technology. I would

> caution everyone however that it is very much experimental.

> If I were considering this treatment I'd want it to be

> administered in the context of a clinical trial where the doctors

> recognize that they are doing research and provide the proper

> pre-procedure testing and post-procedure follow-up.

>

> I noticed the following statement at the end of the article cited

> above that describes the research on prostate electroporation in

> dogs:

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------

> Conflict of Interest

>

> The authors are affiliated with Oncobionic Inc. a company in

> the field of irreversible electroporation and may benefit

> financially from this study.

> ----------------------------------------------------------------

>

> I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just expressing some

> caution. There is a huge amount of hype that surrounds every new

> prostate cancer treatment. In many cases, the hype turns out to

> be just that. I can remember, for example, how many patients for

> cryosurgery and HIFU were convinced that they were getting a

> superior treatment with fewer or no side effects, then found

> themselves totally impotent and with their cancer not cured.

> That happened to Steve Jordan, a now deceased member of this

> group who had cryosurgery.

>

> Alan

>