Re: No sleep for weeks, liver issue?

[Guest guest]

Hi Allie,

Is the problem falling asleep, staying asleep?

1st time issue or recurring problem?

If awakenings are occurring about 3-4am, I would say Liver. Or perhaps food allergen.

If it is falling asleep could be adrenals, hormones, emotions/restlessness/stress/anxiety etc.

Is your son hitting pre-puberty?

This has been a recurring problem for us throughout the many years, not sure I have an answer but I can sure commiserate.

Roseann

No sleep for weeks, liver issue?

Just wonder if anyone has suggestions for sleep? Could it be liver congestion, and needing detox? I know his adrenals are going to need

to be supported. I already use all the natural supportive supplements for sleep, and they are no longer

working, so I am at a loss.

Thanks

Allie

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[Guest guest]

Could be liver. Or some infections can also cause that. Especially Lyme. http://ndnr.com/web-articles/anxietydepressionmental-health/hidden-causes-of-insomnia/RuthSent from my iPhone

Just wonder if anyone has suggestions for sleep?

Could it be liver congestion, and needing detox? I know his adrenals are going to need

to be supported.

I already use all the natural supportive supplements for sleep, and they are no longer

working, so I am at a loss.

Thanks

Allie

[Guest guest]

Everyone the sleep issue has been a huge issue all his life, but had it under

control for the most part with natural supplements and detox.

He goes to sleep either 9 or 10 PM, and then is awake in 1 - 1 1/2 hrs. I have

tried some meds on him recently and it has no effect, only makes him groggy but

refuses to lay down and sleep.

This is exhausting because I do not know what to do for this, I cannot let him

be alone up in the middle of the night for all kinds of reasons but even so he

would still try to wake me up many times.

This has really concerned me because he doesn't even fall asleep during the day!

Allie

>

> > Just wonder if anyone has suggestions for sleep?

> > Could it be liver congestion, and needing detox? I know his adrenals are

going to need

> > to be supported.

> >

> > I already use all the natural supportive supplements for sleep, and they are

no longer

> > working, so I am at a loss.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Allie

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sleep has always been a problem for us too......is there a particular time he always wakes up at? Or is he not sleeping at all? I'm asking bc I have an organ detox time chart that I got from Dr. K......for my son....its always 3am-5am......which is large intestine and/or lung.......it turns out that his gut is still not great....so it makes sense that it's the lg intestine.We have used time release melatonin......I'm sure you've tried that, though.......in MISent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:36:14 -0000To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: No sleep for weeks, liver issue? Everyone the sleep issue has been a huge issue all his life, but had it under control for the most part with natural supplements and detox.He goes to sleep either 9 or 10 PM, and then is awake in 1 - 1 1/2 hrs. I have tried some meds on him recently and it has no effect, only makes him groggy but refuses to lay down and sleep. This is exhausting because I do not know what to do for this, I cannot let him be alone up in the middle of the night for all kinds of reasons but even so he would still try to wake me up many times. This has really concerned me because he doesn't even fall asleep during the day! Allie> > > Just wonder if anyone has suggestions for sleep? > > Could it be liver congestion, and needing detox? I know his adrenals are going to need> > to be supported. > > > > I already use all the natural supportive supplements for sleep, and they are no longer> > working, so I am at a loss.> > > > Thanks> > Allie> > > >>

[Guest guest]

I just looked at the chart, and from the time frame you put down, he would be waking up at 10:30-11:30......which says endocrine and/or gall bladder.I'm sure you already know that if u detox the liver, you must also do the gallbladder.....otherwise, the congestion won't go away....in MISent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: cbethel1234@...Sender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 23:15:50 +0000To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Re: No sleep for weeks, liver issue? Sleep has always been a problem for us too......is there a particular time he always wakes up at? Or is he not sleeping at all? I'm asking bc I have an organ detox time chart that I got from Dr. K......for my son....its always 3am-5am......which is large intestine and/or lung.......it turns out that his gut is still not great....so it makes sense that it's the lg intestine.We have used time release melatonin......I'm sure you've tried that, though.......in MISent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:36:14 -0000To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: No sleep for weeks, liver issue? Everyone the sleep issue has been a huge issue all his life, but had it under control for the most part with natural supplements and detox.He goes to sleep either 9 or 10 PM, and then is awake in 1 - 1 1/2 hrs. I have tried some meds on him recently and it has no effect, only makes him groggy but refuses to lay down and sleep. This is exhausting because I do not know what to do for this, I cannot let him be alone up in the middle of the night for all kinds of reasons but even so he would still try to wake me up many times. This has really concerned me because he doesn't even fall asleep during the day! Allie> > > Just wonder if anyone has suggestions for sleep? > > Could it be liver congestion, and needing detox? I know his adrenals are going to need> > to be supported. > > > > I already use all the natural supportive supplements for sleep, and they are no longer> > working, so I am at a loss.> > > > Thanks> > Allie> > > >>

[Guest guest]

I know what your referring to the body clock - but my son does not fit this

model.

Does not matter what time he goes to sleep, he only sleeps 1- 1.5 hrs max.

Never goes back to sleep, no naps, and almost seems hyper at times.

I have even stopped all supplements, even though they are natural and very good.

And there is NOTHING new. Also did tons of lab work a month ago, and everything

looked

great.

Allie

> >

> > > Just wonder if anyone has suggestions for sleep?

> > > Could it be liver congestion, and needing detox? I know his adrenals are

going to need

> > > to be supported.

> > >

> > > I already use all the natural supportive supplements for sleep, and they

are no longer

> > > working, so I am at a loss.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Allie

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Is there any information online about the

organ detox time chart?

Thanks,

Kathy

From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

[mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ]

On Behalf Of cbethel1234@...

Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:16

PM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re:

Re: No sleep for weeks, liver issue?

Sleep has

always been a problem for us too......is there a particular time he always

wakes up at? Or is he not sleeping at all?

I'm asking bc I have an organ detox time chart that I got from Dr. K......for

my son....its always 3am-5am......which is large intestine and/or lung.......it

turns out that his gut is still not great....so it makes sense that it's the lg

intestine.

We have used time release melatonin......I'm sure you've tried that,

though.......

in MI

[Guest guest]

diet, yeast issues?

karen

I know what your referring to the body clock - but my son does not fit this model.Does not matter what time he goes to sleep, he only sleeps 1- 1.5 hrs max. Never goes back to sleep, no naps, and almost seems hyper at times.I have even stopped all supplements, even though they are natural and very good.And there is NOTHING new. Also did tons of lab work a month ago, and everything lookedgreat. Allie> > > > > Just wonder if anyone has suggestions for sleep? > > > Could it be liver congestion, and needing detox? I know his adrenals are going to need> > > to be supported. > > > > > > I already use all the natural supportive supplements for sleep, and they are no longer> > > working, so I am at a loss.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Allie> > > > > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy - I got this chart from a book at a Dr. K conference; I just thought I would check and see if my son's issues matched the chart, since he was waking up at the same times every night. I don't know where Dr. k got it......but it seems to match up for my child. It isn't necessarily used for sleep - it just tels you what detox's when. 24 hour organ cycle: 11p-1a - Gall bladder 11a-1p - Heart1a-3a - Liver 1p-3p - Small Intestine3a-5a - Lung 3p-5p - Urine Bladder5a-7a - Lg. Intestine 5p-7p - Kidney7a-9a - Stomach 7p-9p - Circulation9a-11a - Spleen/Pancreas 9p-11p - Endocrine HTH, To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: RE: Re: No sleep for weeks, liver issue?

Is there any information online about the

organ detox time chart? Thanks, Kathy

From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ]

On Behalf Of cbethel1234@...

Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:16

PM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re:

Re: No sleep for weeks, liver issue?

Sleep has

always been a problem for us too......is there a particular time he always

wakes up at? Or is he not sleeping at all?

I'm asking bc I have an organ detox time chart that I got from Dr. K......for

my son....its always 3am-5am......which is large intestine and/or lung.......it

turns out that his gut is still not great....so it makes sense that it's the lg

intestine.

We have used time release melatonin......I'm sure you've tried that,

though.......

in MI

[Guest guest]

Have you tried slow-releaseMelatonin?Sent from my iPhone

Everyone the sleep issue has been a huge issue all his life, but had it under control for the most part with natural supplements and detox.

He goes to sleep either 9 or 10 PM, and then is awake in 1 - 1 1/2 hrs. I have tried some meds on him recently and it has no effect, only makes him groggy but refuses to lay down and sleep.

This is exhausting because I do not know what to do for this, I cannot let him be alone up in the middle of the night for all kinds of reasons but even so he would still try to wake me up many times.

This has really concerned me because he doesn't even fall asleep during the day!

Allie

>

> > Just wonder if anyone has suggestions for sleep?

> > Could it be liver congestion, and needing detox? I know his adrenals are going to need

> > to be supported.

> >

> > I already use all the natural supportive supplements for sleep, and they are no longer

> > working, so I am at a loss.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Allie

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

that's interesting. I've used Dr. K's chart with success before. when last we dealt with severe sleep issues ( its always bad, just sometime worse than others) It was gallbladder and endocrine, specifically estrogen, testostorone and Cortisol ( pre-puberty). She did act up particularly at that time of night, although she was still awake. We used a homeopathic mix of those Hormones and a single remedy of Cortisol-H for particulary aggravated episodes of restlessness with insomnia. For Gallbladder we were given Beta-TCP by Biotics Research.

Is he particularly unhappy or restless when he awakes or just "up" ?

In the past we have used the Blue Tinted Glasses, Earthing Pad, Blue lightbulb, herbal, homeopathic, melatonin, nothings really ever worked clearly enough to say " this is it" It just mysteriously over time gets back to a more acceptable ridiculously late bedtime. I usally just stay awake because I don't think there is anything worse than interrupted sleep. It's awful. Hang in there!

Roseann

Re: No sleep for weeks, liver issue?

Everyone the sleep issue has been a huge issue all his life, but had it under control for the most part with natural supplements and detox.

He goes to sleep either 9 or 10 PM, and then is awake in 1 - 1 1/2 hrs. I have tried some meds on him recently and it has no effect, only makes him groggy but refuses to lay down and sleep.

This is exhausting because I do not know what to do for this, I cannot let him be alone up in the middle of the night for all kinds of reasons but even so he would still try to wake me up many times.

This has really concerned me because he doesn't even fall asleep during the day!

Allie

>

> > Just wonder if anyone has suggestions for sleep?

> > Could it be liver congestion, and needing detox? I know his adrenals are going to need

> > to be supported.

> >

> > I already use all the natural supportive supplements for sleep, and they are no longer

> > working, so I am at a loss.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Allie

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Adrenals?

Sent from my iPad

[Guest guest]

Very interesting, thanks! My daughter

seems to wake up quite a bit at 3:30 a.m. So was very curious about this!

Kathy

From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

[mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ]

On Behalf Of Bethel

Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:10

PM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re:

Re: No sleep for weeks, liver issue?

Hi Kathy -

I got this

chart from a book at a Dr. K conference; I just thought I would check and see

if my son's issues matched the chart, since he was waking up at the same times

every night. I don't know where Dr. k got it......but it seems to match

up for my child. It isn't necessarily used for sleep - it just tels you

what detox's when.

24 hour organ

cycle:

11p-1a - Gall

bladder 11a-1p

- Heart

1a-3a

- Liver 1p-3p

- Small Intestine

3a-5a

-

Lung 3p-5p

- Urine Bladder

5a-7a

- Lg.

Intestine 5p-7p

- Kidney

7a-9a

-

Stomach 7p-9p

- Circulation

9a-11a

- Spleen/Pancreas 9p-11p

- Endocrine

HTH,

Chris

[Guest guest]

My son had this as a baby and it resolved with antibiotics and mepron.Caryn Reid

[Guest guest]

Bartonella? That has given me wicked insomnia for years.

>

> Adrenals?

>

>

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

[Guest guest]

who is this dr k and what kind of dr is he/she?

>

> Hi Kathy -

>  

> I got this chart from a book at a Dr. K conference; I just thought I would

check and see if my son's issues matched the chart, since he was waking up at

the same times every night.  I don't know where Dr. k got it......but it seems

to match up for my child.  It isn't necessarily used for sleep - it just tels

you what detox's when.

>  

> 24 hour organ cycle:

>  

> 11p-1a - Gall bladder                    11a-1p - Heart

> 1a-3a -

Liver                                  1p-3p -

Small Intestine

> 3a-5a -

Lung                                  3p-5p -

Urine Bladder

> 5a-7a - Lg. Intestine                      5p-7p -

Kidney

> 7a-9a - Stomach                            7p-9p -

Circulation

> 9a-11a - Spleen/Pancreas              9p-11p - Endocrine

>  

> HTH,

>  

> Chris

>  

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:10 PM

> Subject: RE: Re: No sleep for weeks,

liver issue?

>

>

>

>  

>

> Is there any information online about the

> organ detox time chart?

> Thanks,

> Kathy

>  

>

> ________________________________

>

> From:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> [mailto: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of

cbethel1234@...

> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:16

> PM

> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> Subject: Re:

> Re: No sleep for weeks, liver issue?

>  

>  

> Sleep has

> always been a problem for us too......is there a particular time he always

> wakes up at? Or is he not sleeping at all?

>

> I'm asking bc I have an organ detox time chart that I got from Dr. K......for

> my son....its always 3am-5am......which is large intestine and/or

lung.......it

> turns out that his gut is still not great....so it makes sense that it's the

lg

> intestine.

>

> We have used time release melatonin......I'm sure you've tried that,

> though.......

>

> in MI

>

[Guest guest]

Well, thinking about all this after reading, I suspect its just more Bart., even

though

lots of antibx & mepron. Mycoplasma too.

Plus the huge wt loss too, and my son is already so thin, he cannot afford more

wt loss.

Surely we can get this under control, so many rotten years of this stuff.

Allie

>

> My son had this as a baby and it resolved with antibiotics and mepron.

>

> Caryn Reid

>

[Guest guest]

We have the Bart and myco p. huge sleep issues for us as well. :(Sent from my iPhone

Well, thinking about all this after reading, I suspect its just more Bart., even though

lots of antibx & mepron. Mycoplasma too.

Plus the huge wt loss too, and my son is already so thin, he cannot afford more wt loss.

Surely we can get this under control, so many rotten years of this stuff.

Allie

>

> My son had this as a baby and it resolved with antibiotics and mepron.

>

> Caryn Reid

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone checked their smart meters on their houses? my whole family had insomnia and I woke up every night at 3am, I got rid of my smart meter and had it replaced with an analog meter, I had an instantaneous change. It pulses radiation and interferes with sleep, amongst other health problems. Google it for more info. My kids all sleep incredibly better as well.

[Guest guest]

I got one of those gauss meters that detect radiation. I Googled

many different items that supposedly block radiation like

tinfoil. I then wrapped items in tin foil or aluminum window

screem material and also other wired screens. I found that

aluminum screen material is the only thing that blocked the

radiation from a microwave. The only thing. The tin foil

actually seemed to make it stronger. If you Google, you will find

that some people say that tin foil does make it stronger. Anyhow,

I am wondering if you went down to your local Home Depot or Lowes

and bought some aluminum window screen material and wrapped the

back and sides of it, if it would block the transmission towards

your home. The front would have to be exposed to allow

communication to the tower. I can't wait to move to the country

because in the city, we are bombarded by wireless everything by

the homes around us.

But, I have heard of lots of people being able to get the smart

meters removed, some paying an extra $10.00 a month for it.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Has anyone checked their smart meters on their houses? my whole

family had

insomnia and I woke up every night at 3am, I got rid of my smart

meter and

had it replaced with an analog meter, I had an instantaneous

change. It

pulses radiation and interferes with sleep, amongst other health

problems.

Google it for more info. My kids all sleep incredibly better as

well.

[Guest guest]

how do you know if you have a smart meter?

i'm in the country heidi, and moved here to get away from pesticides and wireless and just this week my little town's single cell phone tower went up

i think i traded in my city problems for country problems, I've only been here for a year and have had to deal with mold and fleas ( that I just learned can carry Bartonella, yea!)

we still have plenty of issues but my daughter seems to be able to tolerate more public outings than ever before, which is liberating. She used to do better at home and worse in public, now she does better out of the house than in. Well, if anything, it did change things up!

Oh, and by the way, the weather has been wreaking havoc with her inflammation and I tried goji juice ( thank you heidi!!! ), as long as I give her 3 doses spaced through out the day she can tolerate more. You're a God-send!

Roseann

Re: No sleep for weeks, liver issue?

I got one of those gauss meters that detect radiation. I Googled

many different items that supposedly block radiation like

tinfoil. I then wrapped items in tin foil or aluminum window

screem material and also other wired screens. I found that

aluminum screen material is the only thing that blocked the

radiation from a microwave. The only thing. The tin foil

actually seemed to make it stronger. If you Google, you will find

that some people say that tin foil does make it stronger. Anyhow,

I am wondering if you went down to your local Home Depot or Lowes

and bought some aluminum window screen material and wrapped the

back and sides of it, if it would block the transmission towards

your home. The front would have to be exposed to allow

communication to the tower. I can't wait to move to the country

because in the city, we are bombarded by wireless everything by

the homes around us.

But, I have heard of lots of people being able to get the smart

meters removed, some paying an extra $10.00 a month for it.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Has anyone checked their smart meters on their houses? my whole

family had

insomnia and I woke up every night at 3am, I got rid of my smart

meter and

had it replaced with an analog meter, I had an instantaneous

change. It

pulses radiation and interferes with sleep, amongst other health

problems.

Google it for more info. My kids all sleep incredibly better as

well.

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know what kind of meter is in new appliances? Washer/ Dryer &

Refrigerator?

I been concerned this could be an added issue.

Allie

>

>

> how do you know if you have a smart meter?

>

> i'm in the country heidi, and moved here to get away from pesticides and

wireless and just this week my little town's single cell phone tower went up

>

> i think i traded in my city problems for country problems, I've only been here

for a year and have had to deal with mold and fleas ( that I just learned can

carry Bartonella, yea!)

>

> we still have plenty of issues but my daughter seems to be able to tolerate

more public outings than ever before, which is liberating. She used to do

better at home and worse in public, now she does better out of the house than

in. Well, if anything, it did change things up!

>

> Oh, and by the way, the weather has been wreaking havoc with her inflammation

and I tried goji juice ( thank you heidi!!! ), as long as I give her 3 doses

spaced through out the day she can tolerate more. You're a God-send!

>

> Roseann

>

>

>

> Re: No sleep for weeks, liver

issue?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I got one of those gauss meters that detect radiation. I Googled

many different items that supposedly block radiation like tinfoil. I then

wrapped items in tin foil or aluminum window screem material and also other

wired screens. I found that aluminum screen material is the only thing

that blocked the radiation from a microwave. The only thing. The tin foil

actually seemed to make it stronger. If you Google, you will find that

some people say that tin foil does make it stronger. Anyhow, I am

wondering if you went down to your local Home Depot or Lowes and bought

some aluminum window screen material and wrapped the back and sides of it,

if it would block the transmission towards your home. The front would have

to be exposed to allow communication to the tower. I can't wait to move to

the country because in the city, we are bombarded by wireless everything by

the homes around us.

>

> But, I have heard of lots of people being able to get the smart

meters removed, some paying an extra $10.00 a month for it.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

> Has anyone checked their smart meters on their houses? my whole

family had

> insomnia and I woke up every night at 3am, I got rid of my smart

meter and

> had it replaced with an analog meter, I had an instantaneous

change. It

> pulses radiation and interferes with sleep, amongst other health

problems.

> Google it for more info. My kids all sleep incredibly better as

well.

>

[Guest guest]

Get active with your anti-Murder Meter meetings in your state. In one county here FPL is mostly removing them only because people are getting prescriptions from their docs to remove them based on MEDICALLY NECESSARY language on prescriptions and letters and showing up with documentation and media at Public Service Committee meetings held around the counties. We do not have to pay extra for it. From: fight4thekids

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Wed, August 15, 2012 9:06:33 AMSubject: Re: No sleep for weeks, liver issue?

I got one of those gauss meters that detect radiation. I Googled

many different items that supposedly block radiation like

tinfoil. I then wrapped items in tin foil or aluminum window

screem material and also other wired screens. I found that

aluminum screen material is the only thing that blocked the

radiation from a microwave. The only thing. The tin foil

actually seemed to make it stronger. If you Google, you will find

that some people say that tin foil does make it stronger. Anyhow,

I am wondering if you went down to your local Home Depot or Lowes

and bought some aluminum window screen material and wrapped the

back and sides of it, if it would block the transmission towards

your home. The front would have to be exposed to allow

communication to the tower. I can't wait to move to the country

because in the city, we are bombarded by wireless everything by

the homes around us.

But, I have heard of lots of people being able to get the smart

meters removed, some paying an extra $10.00 a month for it.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Has anyone checked their smart meters on their houses? my whole

family had

insomnia and I woke up every night at 3am, I got rid of my smart

meter and

had it replaced with an analog meter, I had an instantaneous

change. It

pulses radiation and interferes with sleep, amongst other health

problems.

Google it for more info. My kids all sleep incredibly better as

well.

[Guest guest]

It's probably best to call your electric company and ask them, but I

think they look more electronic than the old style meters, if you can

remember what the old ones looked like.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

how do you know if you have a smart meter?

[Guest guest]

There are different types of smart meters. The ones with WiFi gets info by

interfacing with your gas & electic meters & sends it to your provider for

billing, all done remotely with appropriate meters installed in newer type

homes. So no detectable cabling for these devices & probably battery powered,

stand alone devices. They are incredibly powerful, using pulsed radio

frequencies, to send signals miles away so think of them as cordless phones but

much, much more powerful & disrupting & confusing our own sensitive & fragile

electrical systems within us.

Other types in some countries like Italy are cabled & uses the electrical

cabling network to do the same; much like Home Plugs to access broadband signals

through electic sockets.

June

>

>

> how do you know if you have a smart meter?

>