Guest guest Posted March 22, 2000 Report Share Posted March 22, 2000 ee, Sorry to hear you're being given such a hard time. You have every right to ask Dr. P for a second opinion and if Dr. D doesn't like it that's his problem. I'm sure he's very competant but he should be open to a patient wanting a second opinion when she's not liking what she hears. I get the impression that Drs sometimes think that they are their patients' bosses. It's your right to insist on a second opinion, please don't let yourself be intimidated just because he's a doctor. Good luck! Dan Delicate Subject Matter... Hi All, Here is the deal, I'll just jump right in. I have noticed a distinct differenct between Dr. P and Dr. D. Ponseti is extremely optimistic. I believe that left in his hands, he would treat as least invasively as possible, trying to go that extra mile to avoid operations, or to use the smallest oen he could. Dr. Dietz however, I get the distinct impression that he has already thrown in the towl on 's care and resigned his mind to giving operations first, with out going the extra mile for nonsurgical treatments. This started the first day I was in Iowa. Doctor Ponseti came in the room and with enthusiasm said, "Oh yes we can fix him up, no problem!" paraphrasing here. Shortly after, Dr. Dietz came in and was like, "Well, I don't know,...we'll do the best we can (but it doesn't look hopeful)". I mentioned to him that Dr. Ponseti seemed very optimistic, and Dr. Dietz said something like,"Well, we don't always see eye to eye." That was my first warning clue.... So Ponseti left, we finished off up there with Dietz. Came home, had the problems with the DB's and such....I sent Dr. PONSETI an e-mail when he returned explaining and detailing the events that have occured here. Well Dr. DIETZ returned teh call and told me, "From now on, you talk to me, not Dr. Ponseti." that irritated me a lot. Furthermore, Dr. Dietz said he was not surprised the DB's are causing problems because he is using them for a purpose they were not designed for on . He said if the irritation continues, to abandone their use. Well, that's just peachy, because he went on to say that if I abandone their use, cannot have the tendon transfer operation -- oh no -- he'll need the BIG operation (Doctor's word for it)... he also went on saying that at 's late age, even the tendon transfer was a chancy option, at best! WHAT? They lead me to believe up till today that this was a fairly routine treatment for regressed children of this age and I could pretty well bank on that operatin happening and on that operation correcting the problems! On the video, they treated a SIX year old child with the Tendon Transfer, but Dr. Dietz is saying today that is getting too old and it all depends on how fast his bones grow leaving me to think I need to go plug the kid into a cow for six months or feed him steroids to make him grow faster cuz if he doesn't grow fast enough, he'll miss the window of opportunity for the "Small" operation and will require the dreaded "Big" operation....Dr. Dietz was taking the back door approach to prepare me for the worst, as if he has already decided that, but doesn't want to admit his decision to me yet. I'm so frusterated. How do I get around Dr. Dietz and deal with the doctor who isn't negitive in his opinions about my son's feet? HELP! ee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2000 Report Share Posted March 22, 2000 ee, I totally agree with Dan. You have the right to ask questions concerning 's treatment and get clear answers! You've really gone through a lot. I didn't have to go through half of what it sounds like you've gone through and can't imagine the stress you're under. It sounds like you've given Dr. D the benefit of the doubt for now (your reply to ), which is what I was going to suggest. But you do deserve answers to your questions. Perhaps you could make a list of your questions, write them out so you are clear, and contact the Dr.'s office. Even all those questions about the DBB should be answered by someone in the office. Maybe there are other support personel (ortho tech's, nurses, physician assitants, ect..) who are familiar with the Ponseti Method who could answer at least some of your questions and then forward the rest that really should be answered by the physician? Just remember that all the decisions you have made up until this point were made with the information you had at the time of each decsion. I think as parents we all have those moments when we wish we had done something differently (an hourly occurance in this house these days with my five year old) or the infamous " if I had only known then " . You know that you are doing the best you can do for . Sometimes you need to hear that from someone else so I'm saying it even though I know you already know it. I also don't see why there would be a problem contacting Dr. Ponseti. I really just want you to keep trusting those motherly instincts of yours. Please keep us posted and I hope everything works out for you and . Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2000 Report Share Posted March 22, 2000 Wow, thanks. I was expecting to get insulted and berated for saying what I did. s. Delicate Subject Matter... Hi All, Here is the deal, I'll just jump right in. I have noticed a distinct differenct between Dr. P and Dr. D. Ponseti is extremely optimistic. I believe that left in his hands, he would treat as least invasively as possible, trying to go that extra mile to avoid operations, or to use the smallest oen he could. Dr. Dietz however, I get the distinct impression that he has already thrown in the towl on 's care and resigned his mind to giving operations first, with out going the extra mile for nonsurgical treatments. This started the first day I was in Iowa. Doctor Ponseti came in the room and with enthusiasm said, "Oh yes we can fix him up, no problem!" paraphrasing here. Shortly after, Dr. Dietz came in and was like, "Well, I don't know,...we'll do the best we can (but it doesn't look hopeful)". I mentioned to him that Dr. Ponseti seemed very optimistic, and Dr. Dietz said something like,"Well, we don't always see eye to eye." That was my first warning clue.... So Ponseti left, we finished off up there with Dietz. Came home, had the problems with the DB's and such....I sent Dr. PONSETI an e-mail when he returned explaining and detailing the events that have occured here. Well Dr. DIETZ returned teh call and told me, "From now on, you talk to me, not Dr. Ponseti." that irritated me a lot. Furthermore, Dr. Dietz said he was not surprised the DB's are causing problems because he is using them for a purpose they were not designed for on . He said if the irritation continues, to abandone their use. Well, that's just peachy, because he went on to say that if I abandone their use, cannot have the tendon transfer operation -- oh no -- he'll need the BIG operation (Doctor's word for it)... he also went on saying that at 's late age, even the tendon transfer was a chancy option, at best! WHAT? They lead me to believe up till today that this was a fairly routine treatment for regressed children of this age and I could pretty well bank on that operatin happening and on that operation correcting the problems! On the video, they treated a SIX year old child with the Tendon Transfer, but Dr. Dietz is saying today that is getting too old and it all depends on how fast his bones grow leaving me to think I need to go plug the kid into a cow for six months or feed him steroids to make him grow faster cuz if he doesn't grow fast enough, he'll miss the window of opportunity for the "Small" operation and will require the dreaded "Big" operation....Dr. Dietz was taking the back door approach to prepare me for the worst, as if he has already decided that, but doesn't want to admit his decision to me yet. I'm so frusterated. How do I get around Dr. Dietz and deal with the doctor who isn't negitive in his opinions about my son's feet? HELP! ee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2000 Report Share Posted March 22, 2000 Thanks Donna. I had written a step by step, concise description of the events, and ended with saying, " Given that information, I have these questions: bam bam bam " with a list of questions; that is what Dr. Dietz was responding to. But I'll keep trying, I'm a lot more calm now, I went outside and worked it out of my system today so I could think clearly. Thanks again. s. Re: Delicate Subject Matter... > > > ee, > > I totally agree with Dan. You have the right to ask questions > concerning 's treatment and get clear answers! You've really gone > through a lot. I didn't have to go through half of what it sounds like > you've gone through and can't imagine the stress you're under. It > sounds like you've given Dr. D the benefit of the doubt for now (your > reply to ), which is what I was going to suggest. But you do > deserve answers to your questions. Perhaps you could make a list of > your questions, write them out so you are clear, and contact the Dr.'s > office. Even all those questions about the DBB should be answered by > someone in the office. Maybe there are other support personel (ortho > tech's, nurses, physician assitants, ect..) who are familiar with the > Ponseti Method who could answer at least some of your questions and then > forward the rest that really should be answered by the physician? > > Just remember that all the decisions you have made up until this point > were made with the information you had at the time of each decsion. I > think as parents we all have those moments when we wish we had done > something differently (an hourly occurance in this house these days with > my five year old) or the infamous " if I had only known then " . You know > that you are doing the best you can do for . Sometimes you need to > hear that from someone else so I'm saying it even though I know you > already know it. > > I also don't see why there would be a problem contacting Dr. Ponseti. I > really just want you to keep trusting those motherly instincts of yours. > Please keep us posted and I hope everything works out for you and . > > Donna > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2121/2/_/675489/_/953774454/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2000 Report Share Posted March 23, 2000 OK ee, Here is my take on this matter. I think you have every right to ask Dr.Ponseti. As a matter of fact, even after Dr.D doing the surgery, I was in touch with Dr.P about how Sravan was progressing and voiced all of my concern. Dr.P assured me that Dr.D would do the best possible treatment and that I should not worry. I do find that Dr.D is a very competent Dr. In my case he was more optimistic than Dr.P. Dr.P wanted my son to go thru all of the first surgery again and then go thru the tendon transfer. It was Dr.D who convinced that Sravan can get by with the tendon transfer alone. ALso when I talked to Dr.D, I have always referred about Dr.P (which my DH thinks that I should stop doing), but Dr.D has taken it very lightly saying that you were taught to listen to your prof. You should call Dr.D and have a chat about your concerns. Also was 's feet flat on the ground (I mean fully corrected). I have a feeling that Dr.D is concerned about this. THere is a diff between regressed foot and not so fully corrected foot. How did the x-ray look. Was the calcaneous and talus at the desired angle. There is no magic that you can do to make your child grow faster. Nature has to take the time. SO don't feel bad. Discuss about this surgery in detail. Since Dr.D decided this surgery for Sravan was for the fact that he had a very good flexibility and when he was not in a hurry, he walked correctly. SInce toddlers run all the time and that was the cause for his regression. Even now when he is in hurry, he does walk on the outside, but Dr.D is optimistic that it will get corrected over next few months. Also I forgot to add that there will not be any braces after surgery. I checked with Dr.P and Dr.D about this. take care. Sorry for being so long. You know what is best and go with your instincts. Even in the event of any surgery, weigh the outcome and don't fear about surgery. Good luck, Anandhi. -- >Hi All, > >Here is the deal, I'll just jump right in. > >I have noticed a distinct differenct between Dr. P and Dr. D. Ponseti is extremely optimistic. I believe that left in his hands, he would treat as least invasively as possible, trying to go that extra mile to avoid operations, or to use the smallest oen he could. > >Dr. Dietz however, I get the distinct impression that he has already thrown in the towl on 's care and resigned his mind to giving operations first, with out going the extra mile for nonsurgical treatments. > >This started the first day I was in Iowa. Doctor Ponseti came in the room and with enthusiasm said, " Oh yes we can fix him up, no problem! " paraphrasing here. Shortly after, Dr. Dietz came in and was like, " Well, I don't know,...we'll do the best we can (but it doesn't look hopeful) " . I mentioned to him that Dr. Ponseti seemed very optimistic, and Dr. Dietz said something like, " Well, we don't always see eye to eye. " That was my first warning clue.... > >So Ponseti left, we finished off up there with Dietz. Came home, had the problems with the DB's and such....I sent Dr. PONSETI an e-mail when he returned explaining and detailing the events that have occured here. Well Dr. DIETZ returned teh call and told me, " From now on, you talk to me, not Dr. Ponseti. " that irritated me a lot. > >Furthermore, Dr. Dietz said he was not surprised the DB's are causing problems because he is using them for a purpose they were not designed for on . He said if the irritation continues, to abandone their use. > >Well, that's just peachy, because he went on to say that if I abandone their use, cannot have the tendon transfer operation -- oh no -- he'll need the BIG operation (Doctor's word for it)... > >he also went on saying that at 's late age, even the tendon transfer was a chancy option, at best! WHAT? They lead me to believe up till today that this was a fairly routine treatment for regressed children of this age and I could pretty well bank on that operatin happening and on that operation correcting the problems! > >On the video, they treated a SIX year old child with the Tendon Transfer, but Dr. Dietz is saying today that is getting too old and it all depends on how fast his bones grow leaving me to think I need to go plug the kid into a cow for six months or feed him steroids to make him grow faster cuz if he doesn't grow fast enough, he'll miss the window of opportunity for the " Small " operation and will require the dreaded " Big " operation....Dr. Dietz was taking the back door approach to prepare me for the worst, as if he has already decided that, but doesn't want to admit his decision to me yet. > >I'm so frusterated. How do I get around Dr. Dietz and deal with the doctor who isn't negitive in his opinions about my son's feet? > >HELP! > >ee > > > > > > > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2000 Report Share Posted March 23, 2000 Thank you too. I guess I got my fur rubbed the wrong way over the phone, I am still thinking hard about how to best handle it so no body gets hurt feelings or feels insulted in any way. I definately do not want to show disrespect or toss out brainless insults to anyone at the clinic, so I'm thinking, working in my yard and thinking it all around and around in my head before I act upon anything. We all have bad days, maybe mine and his collided through no fault of our own...it happens. If I lived close, i would just walk in with and say, " Look at this and what do you recommend I do about it? " Some of Dr. Dietz's answers and suggestions the other day really go against the grain of logic in my mind, and that is what I am not understanding and what is causing me worry, and on these points the physical therapist agrees with me. No, she is not a doctor, nor a specialist in club feet, but has treated many older (regressing) club feet children in her 20 years. She has seen the results first hand of bad treatments, although she never heard of Ponseti before I cam along, but seeing the results of bad treatments, she has tried for all this time to find ways to help avoid those long term problems. She is collecting all the other therapists at the center to view that video today, they are all very excited! I think I am making a believer out of her, and if I don't, I believe the video will. It's good to hear your story and your vote of confidence, a parent's recommendation is the highest sort. ee Re: Delicate Subject Matter... > > > OK ee, > Here is my take on this matter. I think you > have every right to ask Dr.Ponseti. As a matter > of fact, even after Dr.D doing the surgery, I > was in touch with Dr.P about how Sravan was > progressing and voiced all of my concern. Dr.P > assured me that Dr.D would do the best possible > treatment and that I should not worry. I do > find that Dr.D is a very competent Dr. In my > case he was more optimistic than Dr.P. Dr.P > wanted my son to go thru all of the first > surgery again and then go thru the tendon transfer. It was Dr.D who convinced that Sravan > can get by with the tendon transfer alone. ALso > when I talked to Dr.D, I have always referred > about Dr.P (which my DH thinks that I should > stop doing), but Dr.D has taken it very lightly > saying that you were taught to listen to your > prof. > You should call Dr.D and have a chat about > your concerns. Also was 's feet flat on > the ground (I mean fully corrected). I have a > feeling that Dr.D is concerned about this. THere > is a diff between regressed foot and not so > fully corrected foot. How did the x-ray look. > Was the calcaneous and talus at the desired > angle. There is no magic that you can do to > make your child grow faster. Nature has to take > the time. SO don't feel bad. Discuss about > this surgery in detail. Since Dr.D decided this > surgery for Sravan was for the fact that he > had a very good flexibility and when he was > not in a hurry, he walked correctly. SInce > toddlers run all the time and that was the > cause for his regression. Even now when he is > in hurry, he does walk on the outside, but Dr.D > is optimistic that it will get corrected over > next few months. > Also I forgot to add that there will not be > any braces after surgery. I checked with Dr.P > and Dr.D about this. > > take care. Sorry for being so long. You know > what is best and go with your instincts. Even > in the event of any surgery, weigh the outcome > and don't fear about surgery. > > Good luck, > Anandhi. > -- > > > >Hi All, > > > >Here is the deal, I'll just jump right in. > > > >I have noticed a distinct differenct between Dr. P and Dr. D. Ponseti is extremely optimistic. I believe that left in his hands, he would treat as least invasively as possible, trying to go that extra mile to avoid operations, or to use the smallest oen he could. > > > >Dr. Dietz however, I get the distinct impression that he has already thrown in the towl on 's care and resigned his mind to giving operations first, with out going the extra mile for nonsurgical treatments. > > > >This started the first day I was in Iowa. Doctor Ponseti came in the room and with enthusiasm said, " Oh yes we can fix him up, no problem! " paraphrasing here. Shortly after, Dr. Dietz came in and was like, " Well, I don't know,...we'll do the best we can (but it doesn't look hopeful) " . I mentioned to him that Dr. Ponseti seemed very optimistic, and Dr. Dietz said something like, " Well, we don't always see eye to eye. " That was my first warning clue.... > > > >So Ponseti left, we finished off up there with Dietz. Came home, had the problems with the DB's and such....I sent Dr. PONSETI an e-mail when he returned explaining and detailing the events that have occured here. Well Dr. DIETZ returned teh call and told me, " From now on, you talk to me, not Dr. Ponseti. " that irritated me a lot. > > > >Furthermore, Dr. Dietz said he was not surprised the DB's are causing problems because he is using them for a purpose they were not designed for on . He said if the irritation continues, to abandone their use. > > > >Well, that's just peachy, because he went on to say that if I abandone their use, cannot have the tendon transfer operation -- oh no -- he'll need the BIG operation (Doctor's word for it)... > > > >he also went on saying that at 's late age, even the tendon transfer was a chancy option, at best! WHAT? They lead me to believe up till today that this was a fairly routine treatment for regressed children of this age and I could pretty well bank on that operatin happening and on that operation correcting the problems! > > > >On the video, they treated a SIX year old child with the Tendon Transfer, but Dr. Dietz is saying today that is getting too old and it all depends on how fast his bones grow leaving me to think I need to go plug the kid into a cow for six months or feed him steroids to make him grow faster cuz if he doesn't grow fast enough, he'll miss the window of opportunity for the " Small " operation and will require the dreaded " Big " operation....Dr. Dietz was taking the back door approach to prepare me for the worst, as if he has already decided that, but doesn't want to admit his decision to me yet. > > > >I'm so frusterated. 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