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ee,

Sorry to hear you're being given such a hard time. You have every right to ask Dr. P for a second opinion and if Dr. D doesn't like it that's his problem. I'm sure he's very competant but he should be open to a patient wanting a second opinion when she's not liking what she hears. I get the impression that Drs sometimes think that they are their patients' bosses. It's your right to insist on a second opinion, please don't let yourself be intimidated just because he's a doctor.

Good luck!

Dan

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Hi All,

Here is the deal, I'll just jump right in.

I have noticed a distinct differenct between Dr. P and Dr. D. Ponseti is extremely optimistic. I believe that left in his hands, he would treat as least invasively as possible, trying to go that extra mile to avoid operations, or to use the smallest oen he could.

Dr. Dietz however, I get the distinct impression that he has already thrown in the towl on 's care and resigned his mind to giving operations first, with out going the extra mile for nonsurgical treatments.

This started the first day I was in Iowa. Doctor Ponseti came in the room and with enthusiasm said, "Oh yes we can fix him up, no problem!" paraphrasing here. Shortly after, Dr. Dietz came in and was like, "Well, I don't know,...we'll do the best we can (but it doesn't look hopeful)". I mentioned to him that Dr. Ponseti seemed very optimistic, and Dr. Dietz said something like,"Well, we don't always see eye to eye." That was my first warning clue....

So Ponseti left, we finished off up there with Dietz. Came home, had the problems with the DB's and such....I sent Dr. PONSETI an e-mail when he returned explaining and detailing the events that have occured here. Well Dr. DIETZ returned teh call and told me, "From now on, you talk to me, not Dr. Ponseti." that irritated me a lot.

Furthermore, Dr. Dietz said he was not surprised the DB's are causing problems because he is using them for a purpose they were not designed for on . He said if the irritation continues, to abandone their use.

Well, that's just peachy, because he went on to say that if I abandone their use, cannot have the tendon transfer operation -- oh no -- he'll need the BIG operation (Doctor's word for it)...

he also went on saying that at 's late age, even the tendon transfer was a chancy option, at best! WHAT? They lead me to believe up till today that this was a fairly routine treatment for regressed children of this age and I could pretty well bank on that operatin happening and on that operation correcting the problems!

On the video, they treated a SIX year old child with the Tendon Transfer, but Dr. Dietz is saying today that is getting too old and it all depends on how fast his bones grow leaving me to think I need to go plug the kid into a cow for six months or feed him steroids to make him grow faster cuz if he doesn't grow fast enough, he'll miss the window of opportunity for the "Small" operation and will require the dreaded "Big" operation....Dr. Dietz was taking the back door approach to prepare me for the worst, as if he has already decided that, but doesn't want to admit his decision to me yet.

I'm so frusterated. How do I get around Dr. Dietz and deal with the doctor who isn't negitive in his opinions about my son's feet?

HELP!

ee

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ee,

I totally agree with Dan. You have the right to ask questions

concerning 's treatment and get clear answers! You've really gone

through a lot. I didn't have to go through half of what it sounds like

you've gone through and can't imagine the stress you're under. It

sounds like you've given Dr. D the benefit of the doubt for now (your

reply to ), which is what I was going to suggest. But you do

deserve answers to your questions. Perhaps you could make a list of

your questions, write them out so you are clear, and contact the Dr.'s

office. Even all those questions about the DBB should be answered by

someone in the office. Maybe there are other support personel (ortho

tech's, nurses, physician assitants, ect..) who are familiar with the

Ponseti Method who could answer at least some of your questions and then

forward the rest that really should be answered by the physician?

Just remember that all the decisions you have made up until this point

were made with the information you had at the time of each decsion. I

think as parents we all have those moments when we wish we had done

something differently (an hourly occurance in this house these days with

my five year old) or the infamous " if I had only known then " . You know

that you are doing the best you can do for . Sometimes you need to

hear that from someone else so I'm saying it even though I know you

already know it.

I also don't see why there would be a problem contacting Dr. Ponseti. I

really just want you to keep trusting those motherly instincts of yours.

Please keep us posted and I hope everything works out for you and .

Donna

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Wow, thanks. I was expecting to get insulted and berated for saying what I did.

s.

Delicate Subject Matter...

Hi All,

Here is the deal, I'll just jump right in.

I have noticed a distinct differenct between Dr. P and Dr. D. Ponseti is extremely optimistic. I believe that left in his hands, he would treat as least invasively as possible, trying to go that extra mile to avoid operations, or to use the smallest oen he could.

Dr. Dietz however, I get the distinct impression that he has already thrown in the towl on 's care and resigned his mind to giving operations first, with out going the extra mile for nonsurgical treatments.

This started the first day I was in Iowa. Doctor Ponseti came in the room and with enthusiasm said, "Oh yes we can fix him up, no problem!" paraphrasing here. Shortly after, Dr. Dietz came in and was like, "Well, I don't know,...we'll do the best we can (but it doesn't look hopeful)". I mentioned to him that Dr. Ponseti seemed very optimistic, and Dr. Dietz said something like,"Well, we don't always see eye to eye." That was my first warning clue....

So Ponseti left, we finished off up there with Dietz. Came home, had the problems with the DB's and such....I sent Dr. PONSETI an e-mail when he returned explaining and detailing the events that have occured here. Well Dr. DIETZ returned teh call and told me, "From now on, you talk to me, not Dr. Ponseti." that irritated me a lot.

Furthermore, Dr. Dietz said he was not surprised the DB's are causing problems because he is using them for a purpose they were not designed for on . He said if the irritation continues, to abandone their use.

Well, that's just peachy, because he went on to say that if I abandone their use, cannot have the tendon transfer operation -- oh no -- he'll need the BIG operation (Doctor's word for it)...

he also went on saying that at 's late age, even the tendon transfer was a chancy option, at best! WHAT? They lead me to believe up till today that this was a fairly routine treatment for regressed children of this age and I could pretty well bank on that operatin happening and on that operation correcting the problems!

On the video, they treated a SIX year old child with the Tendon Transfer, but Dr. Dietz is saying today that is getting too old and it all depends on how fast his bones grow leaving me to think I need to go plug the kid into a cow for six months or feed him steroids to make him grow faster cuz if he doesn't grow fast enough, he'll miss the window of opportunity for the "Small" operation and will require the dreaded "Big" operation....Dr. Dietz was taking the back door approach to prepare me for the worst, as if he has already decided that, but doesn't want to admit his decision to me yet.

I'm so frusterated. How do I get around Dr. Dietz and deal with the doctor who isn't negitive in his opinions about my son's feet?

HELP!

ee

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Thanks Donna. I had written a step by step, concise description of the

events, and ended with saying, " Given that information, I have these

questions: bam bam bam " with a list of questions; that is what Dr. Dietz

was responding to. But I'll keep trying, I'm a lot more calm now, I went

outside and worked it out of my system today so I could think clearly.

Thanks again.

s.

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>

>

> ee,

>

> I totally agree with Dan. You have the right to ask questions

> concerning 's treatment and get clear answers! You've really gone

> through a lot. I didn't have to go through half of what it sounds like

> you've gone through and can't imagine the stress you're under. It

> sounds like you've given Dr. D the benefit of the doubt for now (your

> reply to ), which is what I was going to suggest. But you do

> deserve answers to your questions. Perhaps you could make a list of

> your questions, write them out so you are clear, and contact the Dr.'s

> office. Even all those questions about the DBB should be answered by

> someone in the office. Maybe there are other support personel (ortho

> tech's, nurses, physician assitants, ect..) who are familiar with the

> Ponseti Method who could answer at least some of your questions and then

> forward the rest that really should be answered by the physician?

>

> Just remember that all the decisions you have made up until this point

> were made with the information you had at the time of each decsion. I

> think as parents we all have those moments when we wish we had done

> something differently (an hourly occurance in this house these days with

> my five year old) or the infamous " if I had only known then " . You know

> that you are doing the best you can do for . Sometimes you need to

> hear that from someone else so I'm saying it even though I know you

> already know it.

>

> I also don't see why there would be a problem contacting Dr. Ponseti. I

> really just want you to keep trusting those motherly instincts of yours.

> Please keep us posted and I hope everything works out for you and .

>

> Donna

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OK ee,

Here is my take on this matter. I think you

have every right to ask Dr.Ponseti. As a matter

of fact, even after Dr.D doing the surgery, I

was in touch with Dr.P about how Sravan was

progressing and voiced all of my concern. Dr.P

assured me that Dr.D would do the best possible

treatment and that I should not worry. I do

find that Dr.D is a very competent Dr. In my

case he was more optimistic than Dr.P. Dr.P

wanted my son to go thru all of the first

surgery again and then go thru the tendon transfer. It was Dr.D who convinced

that Sravan

can get by with the tendon transfer alone. ALso

when I talked to Dr.D, I have always referred

about Dr.P (which my DH thinks that I should

stop doing), but Dr.D has taken it very lightly

saying that you were taught to listen to your

prof.

You should call Dr.D and have a chat about

your concerns. Also was 's feet flat on

the ground (I mean fully corrected). I have a

feeling that Dr.D is concerned about this. THere

is a diff between regressed foot and not so

fully corrected foot. How did the x-ray look.

Was the calcaneous and talus at the desired

angle. There is no magic that you can do to

make your child grow faster. Nature has to take

the time. SO don't feel bad. Discuss about

this surgery in detail. Since Dr.D decided this

surgery for Sravan was for the fact that he

had a very good flexibility and when he was

not in a hurry, he walked correctly. SInce

toddlers run all the time and that was the

cause for his regression. Even now when he is

in hurry, he does walk on the outside, but Dr.D

is optimistic that it will get corrected over

next few months.

Also I forgot to add that there will not be

any braces after surgery. I checked with Dr.P

and Dr.D about this.

take care. Sorry for being so long. You know

what is best and go with your instincts. Even

in the event of any surgery, weigh the outcome

and don't fear about surgery.

Good luck,

Anandhi.

--

>Hi All,

>

>Here is the deal, I'll just jump right in.

>

>I have noticed a distinct differenct between Dr. P and Dr. D. Ponseti is

extremely optimistic. I believe that left in his hands, he would treat

as least invasively as possible, trying to go that extra mile to avoid

operations, or to use the smallest oen he could.

>

>Dr. Dietz however, I get the distinct impression that he has already thrown in

the towl on 's care and resigned his mind to giving operations first,

with out going the extra mile for nonsurgical treatments.

>

>This started the first day I was in Iowa. Doctor Ponseti came in the room and

with enthusiasm said, " Oh yes we can fix him up, no problem! " paraphrasing

here. Shortly after, Dr. Dietz came in and was like, " Well, I don't

know,...we'll do the best we can (but it doesn't look hopeful) " . I mentioned to

him that Dr. Ponseti seemed very optimistic, and Dr. Dietz said something

like, " Well, we don't always see eye to eye. " That was my first warning clue....

>

>So Ponseti left, we finished off up there with Dietz. Came home, had the

problems with the DB's and such....I sent Dr. PONSETI an e-mail when he returned

explaining and detailing the events that have occured here. Well Dr. DIETZ

returned teh call and told me, " From now on, you talk to me, not Dr. Ponseti. "

that irritated me a lot.

>

>Furthermore, Dr. Dietz said he was not surprised the DB's are causing problems

because he is using them for a purpose they were not designed for on . He

said if the irritation continues, to abandone their use.

>

>Well, that's just peachy, because he went on to say that if I abandone their

use, cannot have the tendon transfer operation -- oh no -- he'll need the

BIG operation (Doctor's word for it)...

>

>he also went on saying that at 's late age, even the tendon transfer was a

chancy option, at best! WHAT? They lead me to believe up till today that this

was a fairly routine treatment for regressed children of this age and I could

pretty well bank on that operatin happening and on that operation correcting the

problems!

>

>On the video, they treated a SIX year old child with the Tendon Transfer, but

Dr. Dietz is saying today that is getting too old and it all depends on

how fast his bones grow leaving me to think I need to go plug the kid into a cow

for six months or feed him steroids to make him grow faster cuz if he doesn't

grow fast enough, he'll miss the window of opportunity for the " Small " operation

and will require the dreaded " Big " operation....Dr. Dietz was taking the back

door approach to prepare me for the worst, as if he has already decided that,

but doesn't want to admit his decision to me yet.

>

>I'm so frusterated. How do I get around Dr. Dietz and deal with the doctor who

isn't negitive in his opinions about my son's feet?

>

>HELP!

>

>ee

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thank you too. I guess I got my fur rubbed the wrong way over the phone, I

am still thinking hard about how to best handle it so no body gets hurt

feelings or feels insulted in any way. I definately do not want to show

disrespect or toss out brainless insults to anyone at the clinic, so I'm

thinking, working in my yard and thinking it all around and around in my

head before I act upon anything. We all have bad days, maybe mine and his

collided through no fault of our own...it happens. If I lived close, i

would just walk in with and say, " Look at this and what do you

recommend I do about it? "

Some of Dr. Dietz's answers and suggestions the other day really go against

the grain of logic in my mind, and that is what I am not understanding and

what is causing me worry, and on these points the physical therapist agrees

with me. No, she is not a doctor, nor a specialist in club feet, but has

treated many older (regressing) club feet children in her 20 years. She

has seen the results first hand of bad treatments, although she never heard

of Ponseti before I cam along, but seeing the results of bad treatments, she

has tried for all this time to find ways to help avoid those long term

problems. She is collecting all the other therapists at the center to view

that video today, they are all very excited! I think I am making a believer

out of her, and if I don't, I believe the video will.

It's good to hear your story and your vote of confidence, a parent's

recommendation is the highest sort.

ee

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>

>

> OK ee,

> Here is my take on this matter. I think you

> have every right to ask Dr.Ponseti. As a matter

> of fact, even after Dr.D doing the surgery, I

> was in touch with Dr.P about how Sravan was

> progressing and voiced all of my concern. Dr.P

> assured me that Dr.D would do the best possible

> treatment and that I should not worry. I do

> find that Dr.D is a very competent Dr. In my

> case he was more optimistic than Dr.P. Dr.P

> wanted my son to go thru all of the first

> surgery again and then go thru the tendon transfer. It was Dr.D who

convinced that Sravan

> can get by with the tendon transfer alone. ALso

> when I talked to Dr.D, I have always referred

> about Dr.P (which my DH thinks that I should

> stop doing), but Dr.D has taken it very lightly

> saying that you were taught to listen to your

> prof.

> You should call Dr.D and have a chat about

> your concerns. Also was 's feet flat on

> the ground (I mean fully corrected). I have a

> feeling that Dr.D is concerned about this. THere

> is a diff between regressed foot and not so

> fully corrected foot. How did the x-ray look.

> Was the calcaneous and talus at the desired

> angle. There is no magic that you can do to

> make your child grow faster. Nature has to take

> the time. SO don't feel bad. Discuss about

> this surgery in detail. Since Dr.D decided this

> surgery for Sravan was for the fact that he

> had a very good flexibility and when he was

> not in a hurry, he walked correctly. SInce

> toddlers run all the time and that was the

> cause for his regression. Even now when he is

> in hurry, he does walk on the outside, but Dr.D

> is optimistic that it will get corrected over

> next few months.

> Also I forgot to add that there will not be

> any braces after surgery. I checked with Dr.P

> and Dr.D about this.

>

> take care. Sorry for being so long. You know

> what is best and go with your instincts. Even

> in the event of any surgery, weigh the outcome

> and don't fear about surgery.

>

> Good luck,

> Anandhi.

> --

>

>

> >Hi All,

> >

> >Here is the deal, I'll just jump right in.

> >

> >I have noticed a distinct differenct between Dr. P and Dr. D. Ponseti

is extremely optimistic. I believe that left in his hands, he would treat

as least invasively as possible, trying to go that extra mile to avoid

operations, or to use the smallest oen he could.

> >

> >Dr. Dietz however, I get the distinct impression that he has already

thrown in the towl on 's care and resigned his mind to giving

operations first, with out going the extra mile for nonsurgical treatments.

> >

> >This started the first day I was in Iowa. Doctor Ponseti came in the

room and with enthusiasm said, " Oh yes we can fix him up, no problem! "

paraphrasing here. Shortly after, Dr. Dietz came in and was like, " Well, I

don't know,...we'll do the best we can (but it doesn't look hopeful) " . I

mentioned to him that Dr. Ponseti seemed very optimistic, and Dr. Dietz said

something like, " Well, we don't always see eye to eye. " That was my first

warning clue....

> >

> >So Ponseti left, we finished off up there with Dietz. Came home, had the

problems with the DB's and such....I sent Dr. PONSETI an e-mail when he

returned explaining and detailing the events that have occured here. Well

Dr. DIETZ returned teh call and told me, " From now on, you talk to me, not

Dr. Ponseti. " that irritated me a lot.

> >

> >Furthermore, Dr. Dietz said he was not surprised the DB's are causing

problems because he is using them for a purpose they were not designed for

on . He said if the irritation continues, to abandone their use.

> >

> >Well, that's just peachy, because he went on to say that if I abandone

their use, cannot have the tendon transfer operation -- oh no -- he'll

need the BIG operation (Doctor's word for it)...

> >

> >he also went on saying that at 's late age, even the tendon transfer

was a chancy option, at best! WHAT? They lead me to believe up till today

that this was a fairly routine treatment for regressed children of this age

and I could pretty well bank on that operatin happening and on that

operation correcting the problems!

> >

> >On the video, they treated a SIX year old child with the Tendon Transfer,

but Dr. Dietz is saying today that is getting too old and it all

depends on how fast his bones grow leaving me to think I need to go plug the

kid into a cow for six months or feed him steroids to make him grow faster

cuz if he doesn't grow fast enough, he'll miss the window of opportunity for

the " Small " operation and will require the dreaded " Big " operation....Dr.

Dietz was taking the back door approach to prepare me for the worst, as if

he has already decided that, but doesn't want to admit his decision to me

yet.

> >

> >I'm so frusterated. How do I get around Dr. Dietz and deal with the

doctor who isn't negitive in his opinions about my son's feet?

> >

> >HELP!

> >

> >ee

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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