Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 I haven't heard this about MTX, but swell, I was actually going to ask for the shots, since the med seems to be working well, except for my stomach. ( I am taking the pills now) I thought I heard that Remicaid was being discontinued? Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 > > I haven't heard this about MTX, but swell, I was actually going to ask for > the shots, since the med seems to be working well, except for my stomach. ( I > am taking the pills now) > I thought I heard that Remicaid was being discontinued? > > > Becky I heard there are two types of MTX injectable and only one is being discontinued. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Correction, it has been discontinued through december then will be available again. The MTX without preservative is the only one affected. The MTX with preservative is still available. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Thanks Vic for the info. I appreciate it. I did find out on Google search that they are having problems getting the preservative so that one vial can be used more than once. They do have the vials without the preservative available so they said that people should get their rheumys to write new scripts for the non-preservative kind and just use it once and then throw away all the rest. Lathrop ----- Original Message ----- From: victhenet Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:49 PM Subject: Re: URGENT QUESTION ,This is what I found:Methotrexate InjectionStrength: 25 mg/mL Comment: Methotrexate injection is in short supply for unknown reasons. American Pharmaceutical Partners has all products on back order with no estimated release date except for its 8-mL vial (NDC 63323-0121-08), which is available. Bedford has its 8-mL vial (NDC 55390-0033-10) and 10-mL vial (NDC 55390-0034-10) presentations available and expects its 2 and 4-mL vial sizes will be available by the end of October 2004. Mayne has its 4-mL vials (NDC 66479-0136-13) and 1-g (NDC 66479-0139-29) and 20-mg (66479-0137-21) powder vials available, but it has no estimated release date for its 25 mg/mL 2-mL and 10-mL presentations. (10/12/04, University of Utah, Drug Information Service) I hope it helps!Vic (moderator) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 --- In Rheumatoid Arthritis , shelly smiegal <shelsmieg2000@y...> wrote: > I got so sick of my hair falling out, that I weaned myself from the MTX and I not only feel " better " , but my hair is coming back! ~ > I have experienced some hair loss with the naproxen. I have very thick hair and I have noticed that I seem to be " shedding " more hair than usual. Nothing major, but I did some research and it is a common side effect. I'm wondering if the mtx will make it worse. I don't really care. If my hands get better so I can do all the things I like to do, I'll put up with it. Sharon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Reminds me of this old gag http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html Sharon > Bravo Harold for such an insightful post. I absolutely agree with you on the > warnings we are given on just about everything in life whether it be > medications, food or drink. Sometimes it feels as though you can find scientific > research to prove just about any supposition you want to put forward. I think > this theory also works in an opposite way when it concerns anecdotal evidence. > For instance, my first rheumatologist told me that I could eat or drink > absolutely anything and that there would be no difference in how it affected my RA > and that there was no scientific evidence to prove that there was any > connection between RA and diet. I know that for myself there is a very real > connection between what I eat and how I feel. > > So I guess the answer is to take everything with a grain of salt, to know > yourself and your body to the best of your ability and to be educated enough to > understand the risks and consequences of your actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 In a message dated 10/25/2004 6:21:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lathrop@... writes: I just got back from the pharmacy to pick up my dose for this weeks shot and the pharmacist told me that the liquid methotrexate will not be made any more for some reason he didn't know. He said it is not not available. Yes, I work in health care and the pharmacy at work told us that we are unable to get injectable MTX at this time. Abby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Will they be removing the mold physically, including inside of hidden wall cavities, before you use the biocide? Or, is it being used as a " mold killer " and the moldy materials are being left in place, " encapsulated " or similar? If you have the contamination you are describing, you need to think about a lot more than saving money, IMO. I have heard that using dry ice blasting with immediate vacumning up of the blasted off mold debris - (and removal, which requires the vacumn unit to be based outside, far away, with a hose running into the space to be remediated so that the vacumn exhaust is not exhausted indoors.. allows even large spaces to be cleaned as rapidly as possible.. A large attic space that might have taken several days using the wire brush and soap method can be cleaned in less than a day using dry ice blasting equipment. It looks sort of like a carpet cleaner in that it blasts the powdered dry ice right onto the surface and the vacumn is right there to suck it up immediately. This process takes off the upper layer of wood.. (you need to discard all sheet rock, don't try to clean it) This method seems to me to be better than most others.. YOU SHOULD ASK PEOPLE LIKE CARL OR JEFF FOR THEIR OPINION ON THIS.. The reason I say that is that both Carl and Jeff are familar with the situation faced by people who have been hypersensitized to mold. Many, perhaps even most mold remediators work primarily for people WHO ARE INVOLVED IN REAL ESTATE OR ARE THE EMPLOYERS OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN MOLDY BUILDINGS.. In other words, people who are trying to avoid lawsuits. Not people who are trying to avoid making people sick. People who simply make people sick in America today often get away with it. Its only the VERY worst situations that ever make it into court - anyway, lets leave it at that. The point I am trying to make is that this is your home which you will probably be living in. You do not want to get sick there. So you need to clean it to much higher standards. Not to the standards of their primary client base which I will go out on a limb and say what I have been told by many of the most honest mold inspectors and share that it is often a client base that intentionally does not want to deal with the nightmare implications of mold in buildings realistically enough for the sick. Why, because it costs more, many times more. Don't think so much about saving money as think about removing ALL of the toxic material. Doing anything less in my opinion is not enough to prevent illness permanently. You may be thinking about doing this work and then selling this house. Dont do that. Clean it up completely, by removing all the mold and replacing everything that needs replacing with new clean materials, and then take it from there. On Jan 12, 2008 2:15 PM, <JALD111@...> wrote: > > Anyhow, he has also contacted any experts that he knew or could get a hold > of > in the field of building and renovation to seek additional solutions. He > has > repeatedly learned of a product used by many remediation guys in the area > that he is suggesting for use in our home " during the > renovation/repair/remediation process " and that is why I am seeking such a > quick answer - they would like > to bring this in right away. > > The product is called ... Do you have the MSDS for this product? If you post the EPA registration number for it there are people here who can help you figure out what uses might be the appropriate ones for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 In answer to Jeannene's request for info on a product called " Concrobium " , I came across this press release from it's manufacturer, for their upcoming participation in a home builders trade show in Orlando, Florida, next month. " Concrobium Mold Control is used by builders to pretreat materials for mold prevention and by renovators to fight existing mold. The unique product requires no special handling or isolation time, and can be used on virtually any surface including drywall, lumber, flooring, concrete, roofing, masonry and tile. The product can also be safely fogged to treat entire rooms or inaccessible spaces, such as wall cavities and crawlspaces. The unique solution works as it dries – forming an invisible, antimicrobial coating that encapsulates and physically crushes mold and fungal spores. The odorless, colorless coating remains on surfaces to provide continuous protection against mold and mildew growth. " Their product is " Sodium Carbonate " which has been mass produced for over 200 years, yet they claim it is patented. How can you " physically crush " mold and fungal spores, to make them non- toxic? Whats going on here? Is this " Concrobium " ? Or, is this just " CON " ? ................................................................... Jeannene wrote: > The product is called Concrobium Mold Control and claims " Concrobium Mold > Control is a revolutionary new EPA-registered specialty mold product that is > approved for both mold remediation and mold prevention. " It also claims that it > does not contain any toxic substances like bleach, etc. Upon a brief search I > have not turned up any negative articles or issues but wanted to touch base > with you all to find out if anyone has any experiences good or bad with this > product. > > There is a website to view more information at: www.concrobium.com > > Thanks for any input you can offer. > > Jeannene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Jeannene, According to the MSDS, the active ingredient in Concrobium Mold Control (www.concrobium.com) is a solution of just-under 1% sodium carbonate, at $40 per gallon. They don't list any other ingredients, so this is kind of expensive for 99% water. This chemical is otherwise known as washing soda, sold by Arm and Hammer in any grocery store as a detergent booster for under $5 a box. Although the alkaline carbonate solution may work as an antifungal, for the extra work and money, borate is probably more effective and has been used for years and adds some insect and fire resistance. If the Concrobium " treatment " adds a lot of cost to the project, I would not bother with it since it adds another step requiring drying time. If you want to control mold, you have to control moisture. Too much water and you will have a mold problem, no matter what antimicrobial you apply. Here are some references to using carbonate and bicarbonate (a closely related chemical) for treating mildew on plants: <http://www.epa.gov/EPA-PEST/2007/August/Day-29/p16806.htm> <http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/resourceguide/mfs/04bicarbonate.php> <http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/bakingsoda.html> C. May, M.A., CIAQP May Indoor Air Investigations LLC 3 Tolkien Lane Tyngsborough, MA 01879 617-354-1055 www.mayindoorair.com www.myhouseiskillingme.com >Re: Urgent question > Posted by: " LiveSimply " quackadillian@... > Date: Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:37 pm ((PST)) > > Will they be removing the mold physically, > including inside of hidden wall cavities, before > you use the biocide? > > Or, is it being used as a " mold killer " and the moldy materials > are being left in place, " encapsulated " or similar? > > On Jan 12, 2008 2:15 PM, <JALD111@...> wrote: > >> Anyhow, he has also contacted any experts that he knew or could get a hold >> of >> in the field of building and renovation to seek additional solutions. He >> has >> repeatedly learned of a product used by many remediation guys in the area >> that he is suggesting for use in our home " during the >> renovation/repair/remediation process " and that is why I am seeking such a >> quick answer - they would like >> to bring this in right away. >> >> The product is called ... > > Do you have the MSDS for this product? If you post the EPA > registration number for it there are people here who can help you > figure out what uses might be the appropriate ones for it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Thank you to all who responded. First...we are in the process of removing all or as much of the mold infected wood as possible. It primarily was covering the underside of the roof in the attic and the underside of the flooring in the crawl space. Over the past several days, there was three crews of roofers who were able to completely tear off all of the roofing and replace all of the wood with the exception of the roof rafters that touched the wood that had mold on it. As a further precaution, while the roof was off - they did spray the existing rafters with a bleach mixture of 10 parts water to 1 part bleach. I didn't know that we need to then re-wash the bleach off of that wood - but that can be done as well to make sure that we do this as thoroughly as possible. The next step, which is supposed to happen over the next couple of days, is to address the mold that was found in the crawl space on the underside of the flooring. Again, they are scheduled to take up, remove and replace with new - all of the existing flooring. But that will again leave the floor joist that touched the flooring to deal with which will be thoroughly washed and rinsed. We have hopefully addressed the ROOT of the problem in both areas by correcting the problem in inadequate ventilation and installing both ridge vents on the roof with air ventilation in the eaves and creating a ventilation system in the crawl space as well. However, I was questioning the concrobium Mold Stop fogging solution as a possible further preventative measure for the rest of the house. We have tried to look everywhere to find out if there are any additional areas of mold. We have taken out parts of walls to examine behind them, and have completed visual inspections of all areas possible. But I have also read that the " spores " may have already infected the house, carpet, cloth, curtains, etc. and was seeking a way to address dealing with those mold spores. I was hoping that this " fogging " was a good preventative measure to take for handling the " rest " of the cleanup. Right now...I think I am about as mold gun-shy as you can get. I want it OUT...every last drop, spore, toxin, etc. But I want to make sure that I am thorough and don't miss a single thing. So, I do appreciate all of your input and help. But for those of you who have questioned, please know that I am not looking at this as a short-cut, but as an additional preventative measure on top of everything else. Thanks again for all who have responded. Jeannene ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Even though I am no chemist I believe sodium bicarb is baking soda and the chemical formula is NaHCO3. The chemical in concrobium is sodium " carbonate " or soda ash (Na2CO3). " Sodium carbonate is used to encapsulate and kill mold. When mixed with water and put in a spray bottle, it is sold for its antimold cleaning ability. It is also used to blast off mold from wood or other materials.[citation needed] " Source:Wipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_carbonate http://www.hchek.com/docs/Concrobium_MSDS_US.pdf http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/~hmc/hsci/chemicals/sodium_carbonate.html Hope this helps. Kim Health Education Information and Resource Services (HEIRS) kkramer@... > > > > >> Anyhow, he has also contacted any experts that he knew or could get a hold > >> of > >> in the field of building and renovation to seek additional solutions. He > >> has > >> repeatedly learned of a product used by many remediation guys in the area > >> that he is suggesting for use in our home " during the > >> renovation/repair/remediation process " and that is why I am seeking such a > >> quick answer - they would like > >> to bring this in right away. > >> > >> The product is called ... > > > > Do you have the MSDS for this product? If you post the EPA > > registration number for it there are people here who can help you > > figure out what uses might be the appropriate ones for it. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Jeannene: " Concrobium " one point missed by Jeff May is inert ingredients. All the maufacturer has to do in a pesticide is list the active ingredient. Inert ingredients can be most anything from water, in past they have contained heavy metals, through solvents. Registration of pesticides with the EPA does not necessarily mean that the product is safe. Where are the peer reviewed (not manufacture supported) toxicology studies as well as efficacy studies? Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 When you are in safe place: Just a tip for regular cleaning I have found for cleaning like the bathroom when you don't like the odor of just vinegar I found I like using a sprinkle of baking soda and spray some vinegar and then cut a slice of fresh lemon and squeeze the lemon on the vinegar and baking soda and maybe a couple of drops of fragrance free liquid tide or something and it cleans the tub good and smells pretty good. Just a tip since I can't use regular cleaning products and it doens't leave that vinegar odor. > > > You know, I don't think we get over the mold paranoia. > Here i am out of the toxic environment with only a > few of my belongings, such as a few clothing items > which were washed and disinfected and sealed in > plastic before our move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 You know what I thought of as a little strange was when I first lloked at this product I thought it had phosphate as the main ingredient. The sesecond time it was sodium carbonate. So I went back again and low and behold I got two MSDS sheets with two different active ingredients....I guess the thing here is that one is for Canada and the other the US. Dr. Thrasher, you mentioned that only active ingredients have to be put on the label for pesticides. Is this true of other things that we might come in contact on a daily basis? Just wanted to pick your brain about labelling issues. http://www.hchek.com/docs/Concrobium_MSDS_US.pdf http://concrobium.com/Concrobium-Mold-Control-MSDS-CAN2007.pdf Thanks, Kim Health Education Information and Resource Services HEIRS kkramer@... > > Jeannene: " Concrobium " one point missed by Jeff May is inert ingredients. All the maufacturer has to do in a pesticide is list the active ingredient. Inert ingredients can be most anything from water, in past they have contained heavy metals, through solvents. Registration of pesticides with the EPA does not necessarily mean that the product is safe. Where are the peer reviewed (not manufacture supported) toxicology studies as well as efficacy studies? Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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