Re: Proton Beam Diet

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Hi Tortsking,

I wasn't given any dietary advice either during my IGRT - though it was recommended by my Oncologist that I add flaxseeds to my diet (1 tablespoon twice daily) to protect against the drying effects the radiation has on the bowel. However I have heard since that I should not have been taking any vitamins or antioxidants as these can protect the cancer cells from the radiation as well as healthy cells (photon in my case but I imagine it also applies to proton).

I wish I had asked my Onco for more dietary advice if it can make a difference. i would suggest you ask your proton team for specific advice.

Spain

Proton Beam Diet

It is suggested that one avoid gas producing foods while undergoing proton beam therapy. What foods are off limits and what foods are permitted? Any one have some suggested foods and liquids to eat while undergoing proton beam therapy? EG, nonfat milk or skim milk? Nonfat yogurt, greek yogurt or nonfat yogurt with fruit, or nonfat yogurt with blended fruit; bacon or canadian bacon; eggs, white bread or multigrain bread, coffee or tea; grean tea; soy milk; rice milk; lactose free milk; chicken, salmon, cod, flounder, sea bass, monkfish; anything with flour; wheat flour; whole wheat bread; hard cheese; soft cheese, brie; cheese with culture eg blue cheese, gorgonzola.; what kind of fruit is acceptable; orange juice? Regards tortsking

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I forgot to add that Idid drink Pomegranate juice every day and also ate (homegrown) fresh pomegranates as they were in season at the time of my TX. The elegiac (?) acid in them supposedly may have a beneficial effect and is also one of the few compounds that manages to find its way direct to the prostate.

Spain

Proton Beam Diet

It is suggested that one avoid gas producing foods while undergoing proton beam therapy. What foods are off limits and what foods are permitted? Any one have some suggested foods and liquids to eat while undergoing proton beam therapy? EG, nonfat milk or skim milk? Nonfat yogurt, greek yogurt or nonfat yogurt with fruit, or nonfat yogurt with blended fruit; bacon or canadian bacon; eggs, white bread or multigrain bread, coffee or tea; grean tea; soy milk; rice milk; lactose free milk; chicken, salmon, cod, flounder, sea bass, monkfish; anything with flour; wheat flour; whole wheat bread; hard cheese; soft cheese, brie; cheese with culture eg blue cheese, gorgonzola.; what kind of fruit is acceptable; orange juice? Regards tortsking

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Dear Alan,I would recommend you may like the book "Beating Cancer with Nutrition" by Quillin, PhD, RD, CNS. In the back of this book it includes a CD you can listen to his info on, plus recipies to follow. It is his latest edition that includes these. Read page 27, WHY ME AND WHY NOW? to see his credentials.In this book he list thousands of services and doctors along with hundreds of products to help beat cancer and heal. No one paid to be listed in his book. (Which is not always true for how medical doctors prescribe medications!) The author I have met personally, and know he lives and breathes his research and dedication to helping beat cancer through using nutrition and conventional medical options when appropriate. He just feels patients

should KNOW the TRUTH about what they are being given to combat cancer, and the stats on what they often do. Often patients are led to believe medical interventions are the ONLY treatment available. Often the effects of the choice of medical option is worse on the body than the cancer itself! This Dr. Quillin has included products and services he believes may help in ones quest for wellness. However, he never states that any of them are a sure CURE, but at least gives readers with cancer positive feedback on ways other patients survived cancer.This man has done much research, and although we all know not ONE thing will CURE ALL...We do know that often it is the person willing to "step out of the box" and try something different, will find help! Just by being OPEN to trying different things....I believe is research at the baby stage! When I look at how the SCIENCE and MEDICAL field

correlate some of their stats....I am dumbfounded! So I believe when one who has cancer, takes the initiative to try different diets, foods, and supplements, or alternative therapies, to address their cancer problems....Bravo to them. They have advanced research into beating cancer m cancer by using all their own personal resources, and body! I hope I could be as brave, if I get cancer!mkTo: "ProstateCancerSupport " <ProstateCancerSupport >Sent:

Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:00 AMSubject: Re: Proton Beam Diet

I think that the big problem with diet and nutrition and cancer

treatment is that there just isn't much information about any of

it.

We eat hundreds or thousands of different foods. Even a single

study, to be effective, requires hundreds of patients, many

health professionals, and careful controls on the study

conditions.

What foods do we choose to study? Where do we find the patient

volunteers? Who pays the health professionals who do the work?

And when we finally gather the results, who analyzes them and

what do they really mean? If 45 of 100 patients on a particular

diet had a 50% PSA increase in two years and 55 of 100 in a

control group had a 50% increase, is that significant? Was the

diet responsible? Was it something very specific in the diet?

Was the particular brand of food significant? Did the control

group just happen to also spend less time outdoors or do less

exercise or smoke more cigarettes? Was it just random chance?

Should people change their eating habits as a result of the

study?

In the absence of hard scientific knowledge of cause and effect

the statistical studies are a very poor and very expensive second

best.

I think the doctors are almost as much in the dark as the

patients when it comes to recommending diets and nutrition. We

don't really know much about what diets are most pro- or

anti-cancer, much less what to eat while receiving radiation or

Lupron.

Alan

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Hi folks, I read where there have been some very successful test done on whole ginger extract, the research sounded very interesting, to say the least!Bob G

wrote:

> I would recommend you may like the book "Beating Cancer with

> Nutrition" by Quillin, PhD, RD, CNS. In the back of

> this book it includes a CD you can listen to his info on, plus

> recipies to follow. It is his latest edition that includes

> these. Read page 27, WHY ME AND WHY NOW? to see his

> credentials.

....

Thanks . Checking the local libraries online I see that none

of them have it. But I'll keep my eyes open for it.

I know that there are many theories about healthy diet and that

there is an observed correlation between heart healthy and cancer

healthy diets. It seems to be well accepted that excess sugar,

fat, cholesterol and calories in general are bad for the heart,

and presumably not good for cancer.

I'm all in favor of that kind of diet (though I confess to

cheating from time to time.) I'm prepared to believe that such

diets are healthier than junk food. But most of what I've seen

is about what not to eat rather than what to eat. It's about

what will hurt you rather than what will actually kill cancer

cells.

It wouldn't surprise me to find that there are foods that will

kill cancer cells. In the past there was a rage for cooked

tomatoes and tomato sauces and for pomegranates among PCa

patients. There have also been arguments made for curcumin,

flaxseed, cottage cheese, green tea, soy, and other foods, as

well as supplements such as vitamins C, D and E and selenium.

But the evidence for all of these is slim and sometimes

contradictory. Lycopene for example (from cooked tomatoes) was

once thought to be very beneficial for PCa patients but then some

other studies found no benefit at all. Ditto (as I understand

it) for vitamin E and selenium. As for cottage cheese, it was

touted by the German researcher Dr. Budwig, but other studies

claim that dairy is actually harmful for PCa patients, and Dr.

Budwig's results were, literally, too good to be true.

There's an awful lot of fads in all of this too.

It's possible to find a study somewhere in the literature that

supports almost anything you like, and bookstore shelves are full

of books by diet doctors hoping to write the next best seller.

But well conducted studies that have been repeated with similar

effect are as rare as hens' teeth. So I take many grains of salt

with all of the dietary claims I've read.

Alan