Re: Ketogenic approach/ Paz

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Paz

 

I do always aim for the 3.5 to 1 ratio but I am not sure that this is important,

less fat, might be OK I think

 

I know with me I have to keep my carbs very low. I loose ketosis at around 30g,

but have chosen to aim for 15g. My logic here is that if I only eay 15g most

days then I most definately will remain in ketosis and I will not have to even

think about am I in ketosis am I not. 

 

Also, if I make an error, ie take a new supplement that has sugar or starch in

it or say, want to eat out and have a burger and that has a lot of starch in

it, or I end up having a little gravy at a friends house, etc etc, these errors

should not bring me out of ketosis

 

Now I know Bee claims we are all in ketosis, even at 40g 50g carbs, but this is

not really correct, not by my way of understanding things. Some folk, a few, can

sustain ketosis at this higher level of carbs, but these folk are particularly

active. We with fibro, even when well cannot be that active. My strength and

stamina is that of a person my age, I would say, but slightly below average..

So I move around at the rate that you would see f somebody in our society that

is classed as well but really some toning and activity really is needed. I am

getting by, I would pass, the run an egg and spoon race with the moms at the

local kindergarden, but I would not get in the army, would not be a gym

teacher, would not be a dancer. I have some way to go. I am OK, will survive,

very fortunate, and right now would not pass the tests for fibro, they would say

I do not have it, but I am only fit by societies standards not to the level I

want to be, but I am

getting there. And I count my blessings that I am here at this level and no

longer tormented with fibro in its true form

 

I have tried to leave ketosis and eat higher carbs a few times, every time I did

this within 3 to 4 days my fibro was back. Every symptoms aggravated by it,

pain in joints, muscles, fatigue, gut problems, brain problems etc. Also, as

much as my misery was back and increasing, there was a tremendous urge to go

with it for a while longer. I am an addict to carbs. I have seen true

addiction, ie alcoholism and drug addiction enough times to recognise

this behavior. Fortunately I have good support here and plenty of experience

to know what needs to be done, usually one day water fast, no carbing then low

carbing. And I do it and travel back but this is always traumatic for me too.

All this messing around can take up a week, ie a few days of carb addiction and

then a few days of withdrawel, and it is never worth it, puts me behind with

everything

 

I have witnessed folk in rehab and I treat this whole week in the same loving

and supportive manner that I witnessed there. I take extreme care of myself the

whole week, like I am a child, very needy because I am indeed just like that the

whole time all this is going on 

 

I do use the ketostix. I do not think they are as accurate as time goes by but

they do provide some guide, especially at times when returning to ketosis. But

to be honest I, and others here can tell pretty much immediately, if I am in

ketosis, my manner is much more relaxed and I have very very little desire for

carbs and I can just suddenly cope with life again. It is kind of essential I

stay in ketosis

 

It is not all dispair. Now I am not really experiencing much fibro at all, 1 out

of 10 most days. I have moved onto some other foods from Bees Healthy Eating

Program and finding I can tolerate these foods better than the carbs

 

The carbs I am most safe with are low starch veg, herbs spices saurkraut and

sometimes a small amount of lemon. But now, I am more well I can througout the

week have unpasturised cheese, sprouted seeds and sometimes roasted nuts. And i

do now more often eat out with friends and take small risks, and I do get away

with the odd risky food. If I have a reaction I water fast immediately and this

sorts it out, but this is my way not really Bees way

 

Yes, I think you will be OK with less fat. I have as much as I can because I

think it helps me with energy, but I do know that when carbs are very very low,

if the ratio is slightly out and we eat slightly more protein than we should we

can still sustain ketosis because only a very small portion of that protein will

be turned to glucose, and we would get away with it

 

I know this is all slightly different to what Bee is saying but not much. I

am much more keen that she is on the ultra low carbs. I do not think we loose

much in the way of nutrition since all the nutrients in plants are in meat, and

liver makes a difference. But I have just this pass two weeks added a little

seaweed to my diet. Seaweed is not on Bees list, she regards it as too high in

iodine, but because it is such a good source of folate, I have decided i want

to have some. Kelp too also provides folate, but it is the high iodine again. I

cannot ask Bee about this because she would rather I raise my carbs, but I do

not think I can do

 

Hope this makes sense. If not please ask again, anything. I will be able to

explain things another way, and might even have links

 

Love Joanne 

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2012, 22:28

Subject: Ketogenic approach/ for Joan

 

Hi Joan,

I was wondering if my healing could be accelerated by taking a more extreme

ketogenic style. I must say that there are days where I almost don't eat carbs,

but it is not regularly. I still have days where I am very hungry and carbs

(vegetables) help me go through this phase. I still want to try this and just

observe it when I have this hungry phases. After 8 months I never cheat and I

don't feel the urge. I would say I eat by now between 15 and 35gr carbs a day. I

don't remember if you eat 10 or 15 gr. I also vary with my protein/fat ratio. I

don't always reach the 3.5 ratio. I vary between 2.5 and 3.5. Do you think it is

an important part of healing to always eat the 1:3.5 ratio? Let me know what you

think.

Thank you in advance.

Paz