Re: Judy: This is a bit long but explains the difference between religous & spiritual fasting

[Guest guest]

My adoptive mom was a pediatric nurse,and she did not let us eat much if we

sick.Always let us have some flat pop.I always wondered what the pop was

for?Then,i learned it was the cola syrup that helped upset stomach.Not sure,all

the pops had the cola syrup in them?Yeah,we lived on pop for a day or 2.

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> Judy

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> When I was a child and I got ill with some things, my mom would starve me for

24 hours and the next day I would be fine. When my own children were born I went

to the doctors with them and told the doctor I was thinking of starving them for

a day to see off what was going on with them and they told me I must not do that

(like it was abuse or something), and instead they gave me antibiotics to

see many of my childrens short term illnesses off, and I gave them to my

children, now I gasp at my ignorance, but ingnorant I really was in those days.

>  

> Anyway, as you know they also taught us to eat high carb and I became an

addict and had all the behaviours and experieinces of an addict, ie hopelessness

and despair, compusions, feelings of disconnectedness, inable to get stable no

matter what I tried etc, and it all seriously ruined my life. Eventually when I

got on the atkins diet I found I could better control my obsessive eating but

the addiction thing remained with me ie either cheating and feeling terribly

guilty about it or not cheating and just walking around feeling sad all the time

and in pain and longing and longing for many things, which would later be

relieved by eating the carbs. So low carbing helped but it did not cure me and

at any moment there was always the possibility I would stray from the path and

take myself back into the addiction ordeal

>  

> Anyway, at this time I was still using anti-fungals. I would eat low carb and

be fine for a while, then I would get the desire to binge for a while and in the

end give in and eat the carbs.  I would then binge and get candida/fibro etc,

and then I would take an antifungal, suffer the die off, and get back on the

diet. This was not ideal but much better than my old way of just eating

carbs and getting myself in a right tis-was and being a total drain to live

with too

>  

> Anyway, one day I got thinking about when I was young and how my mom used to

starve me to shift illnesses, and I decided to give it a try. I had eaten some

carbs and I had some candida but it was mildish and I was coping that day. I did

not eat for 24 hours and the next day I noticed that not only had all the

itching from the candida stopped I felt like I had clear head too, I could think

much better. I stayed off the food a while longer and then slowly started

eating protein fat and very low carb. This kept me in a good place much longer

than me trying to do the very low carb as I had been

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> Everytime I found myself getting in a mess, I did what I could to get back

into the full fasting state. Sometime it was easy, sometimes very hard. I did

need to take pain killers sometimes to overcome the severe pain that apppeared

in my body when I went through all the pain, but it was alwys the same, the

minute I went into ketosis, following a water fast, my illness felt like it had

alomost gone, definately no flares and far more control over my psychi and my

general existance

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> Anyway, I decided to make water fasting a regular part of my diet, and this

did keep me under control with my binge episodes when on the Atkins diet and so

things were working much better but to some extent I felt perhaps I was over

doing it, needing it a bit too much. It is far easier to fast than many folk

imagine, but at the same time it can take up a lot of time, I usually have to

go to bed to do it and life does have to be lived, and so although the fasting

was really working, ie healing me from the misery of all my physical pain and

emotional anguish, it was at the same time becoming a bit of burden in itself

and also I was so very concerened about the lack of nutrtion

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> Any way, this problem did not last too long because I then got on Bees diet.

Bee said water fasting was not necessary and can even be detremental because it

does not provide nutrition. I considered giving it up, but even on bees diet

sometimes 'stuff' gets into my body and creates that feeling of longing for

foods and substances, like cigarettes, that will harm me. It is mild now but not

something I like at all and so I do still water fast occasionally. It is really

not hard for me to water fast I am so used to it, and the following day and even

for the rest of the month, that one day of water fasting pays dividens. If I do

not water fast, if I just leave it the whole month I find life harder to cope

with, a kind of heaviness returns and I start having obsessive thoughts,

feelings of doom etc. But if I do waterfast, only one day, and then perhaps go

no carb or low carb for about two days, following this it is extremely easy for

me to keep to the low

> carbing needed to stay in ketosis. and in fact I rarely even think at all

about cheating, I just enjoy it. this is the main difference between in the past

when I was using Atkins, antifungals, other meds and water fasting. Now I am on

bees diet I just use the diet, ketosis and a one day water fast to cope. Life is

much easier now and I do not need any chemical meds, not even antifungals.

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> Now I do not fully understand the idea of fasting in Judaism. I have the

feeling it was meant to be vountary, and it appears that Moses and a few

others used it to enhance there prayer life, but this was not, I dont think part

of a command, it was something they were doing naturally because they felt it

brought them closer to God, and that by doing so their prayers would be heard,

this I think was what was going on. But when Jesus arrived I think this culture

of voluntary fasting had changed and that the Pharasees were demainding fasting

more as a religous thing rather than a spiritual thing. I say this because the

the people of that time were shoked when Jesus did not encourage religous

fasting.

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> Mark 2: 18 -20

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> Now ’s disciples and the Pharisees were fasting; and people came and

said to him, “Why do ’s disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees

fast, but your disciples do not fast?† Jesus said to them, “The wedding

guests cannot fast while the bridegroom is with them, can they? As long as they

have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.  The days will come when the

bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast on that day.â€

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> As I read this I have the feeling that Jesus was against too much religous

fasting. Since s disiples where doing it and Jesus does not condemn them for

doing it I think Jesus is not against religous fasting but that he is expressing

here that there are more important things. s followers were not all Jesus

followers and to some extent perhaps they were actually demonstrating a lack of

faith with their religous fasting. They had not perhaps relaised Jesus was the

Messiah and were still waiting for the Messiah and through their religous

fasting they were missing the point

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> But if you read the passage to the end, Jesus then metions that after his

death his followers will fast, and they will fast not in anticipation of the

Messiah but because they are one of his followers. Which I do know is a very

 different experience to all other religons. I do know many others on the

Market that are fasting for religous reasons and they are so supportive to me,

and I adore them for it, but still what they are actually doing is a different

thing to what I am doing. but this is something that only occurs to us when we

are actually doing it

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> Here in this verse Jesus is explaining about attitudes towards fasting and

when fasting. he does say 'when' not 'if' and so the implication is that Jesues

did think we should and would be fasting.

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> 16:

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> When you fast, don't make yourselves look sad. The hypocrites do that. Don't

be like the hypocrites. They make their faces look strange to show people that

they are fasting. I tell you the truth, those hypocrites already have their full

reward. So when you fast, make yourself look nice. Wash your face. Then people

will not know that you are fasting. But your Father that you cannot see will see

you. Your Father sees the things that are done in secret. And he will reward

you. "

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> I am very much like how Jesus is describing fasting above. I love it, really

enjoy it. It brings be pain and discomfort but also freedom from my illness

physical mental  emotional and spiritually.

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> The one verse that has really had a major impact on me is the one in Mark,

where Jesus, claims those folk overcome with demonic activity can only find

freedom from this through both prayer and fasting, epilepsy it the example give

here.

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> Folk get upset by this verse, but I do not at all. what ever was going on with

me was not from God, it was from this world, and it was suffocating my soul to

the point that my character was unrecognisable. We call this 'illness' and it

is, but in those days they called it possession. In our culture possession is

regarded as something out of the film the Exorsist, but my interpretation of

possession is different. Possession to me is loss of contact with God because of

illness addiction and many other things. I do not suffer this way now that I

fast and use ketosis. Also I do not just use the principles of fasting with

food, I use it with every aspect of my life. I am constantly surrendering people

places and things, on top of surrendering addictive foods and cigarettes and

diet coke and all the other things that 'possessed' me. This constant detachment

from toxic people toxic places toxic things is what keeps me drug free and free

from the many things

> that can very quickly turn me into my false self. this what Jesus is saying

the prayer and fasting, heals all addictions, I have seen this over and over at

the 12 step groups, the very same principle working, spiritually in people that

once well often say, for many years I was spiritually dead

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> Mark 9:14

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> 14 And when he came to his disciples, he saw a great multitude about them, and

the scribes questioning with them. 15 And straightway all the people, when they

beheld him, were greatly amazed, and running to him saluted him. 16 And he asked

the scribes, What question ye with them? 17 And one of the multitude answered

and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit; 18

And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with

his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast

him out; and they could not.

> 19 He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be

with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me. 20 And they brought

him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell

on the ground, and wallowed foaming. 21 And he asked his father, How long is it

ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child. 22 And ofttimes it hath

cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst

do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.

> 23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him

that believeth. 24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said

with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. 25 When Jesus saw that the

people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou

dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into

him. 26 And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was

as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.

> 27 But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose. 28 And

when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could

not we cast him out? 29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by

nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

> It is always easier to do these things when we know others that are doing it.

I see the abstaining thing in place all the time at the 12 step groups.

different reasons, different interpretations, but working all the same. I do see

it also with the immigrants I work with. some, but not all my friends from

church fast, but often not in the same way as me and not exactly for the same

reasons but similar reasons

> Hope this makes sense, I think it does require a bit of study, and it takes up

time to do it

> Love Joanne

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[Guest guest]

And then there is the old adage, “Feed a cold and starve a fever.†I do know

that there were instances where I, too, just had my children drink liquids when

they were sick. Of course a lot of times when a person is sick they don’t have

much of an apatite anyway. Then when they started feeling better, I would give

them a piece of toast. This was how my mother treated me too.

Judy H

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Started taking Low Dose Naltrexone on January 20, 2009 for

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From: tina

Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 9:38 AM

To: fibromyalgiacured

Subject: Re: Judy: This is a bit long but explains the

difference between religous & spiritual fasting

My adoptive mom was a pediatric nurse,and she did not let us eat much if we

sick.Always let us have some flat pop.I always wondered what the pop was

for?Then,i learned it was the cola syrup that helped upset stomach.Not sure,all

the pops had the cola syrup in them?Yeah,we lived on pop for a day or 2.

[Guest guest]

Yes,toast is what we got 2.Now,I think,gluten is a immune system killer.Back

when the grains were allowed to sprot in the field,and still had the enzymes

intact,I imagine,this was a good idea,but,now,I don`t think so.

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> And then there is the old adage, “Feed a cold and starve a fever.†I do

know that there were instances where I, too, just had my children drink liquids

when they were sick. Of course a lot of times when a person is sick they don’t

have much of an apatite anyway. Then when they started feeling better, I would

give them a piece of toast. This was how my mother treated me too.

>

> Judy H

> To Health Through Knowledge

> Started taking Low Dose Naltrexone on January 20, 2009 for

> Fibromyalgia, Restless Legs Syndrome, Hashimotos Thyroid and PCOS

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDNforFibro/

>

> From: tina

> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 9:38 AM

> To: fibromyalgiacured

> Subject: Re: Judy: This is a bit long but explains the

difference between religous & spiritual fasting

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> My adoptive mom was a pediatric nurse,and she did not let us eat much if we

sick.Always let us have some flat pop.I always wondered what the pop was

for?Then,i learned it was the cola syrup that helped upset stomach.Not sure,all

the pops had the cola syrup in them?Yeah,we lived on pop for a day or 2.

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