Re: OT: worries about baby becomming fat

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In a message dated 3/28/2002 9:18:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kissedbynature@... writes:

> The first 5

> minutes or so that you are feeding her she is getting the " fatty " milk that

> it takes to fill her and provide her with nutrition.

Actually its the hindmilk that is most nutritious and important for the baby

and helps balance out their digestive system (mom to a toddler who nursed for

22mos)

*~Joy~*

Lap RNY @ 491lbs

2/26/01

Dr. Bertha

town Memorial Hospital

Mommy to:

1-9-99

&

Saralyn

12-15-99

[Guest guest]

I have also heard all over the place that breast fed babies can't be

overfed, and this is due to the composition of breast milk. The first 5

minutes or so that you are feeding her she is getting the " fatty " milk that

it takes to fill her and provide her with nutrition. Anything after that is

more like water. It is much thinner and has a lot less " stuff " to it. I

was also concerned when my son was born. He was over 9 pounds and ate ALL

THE TIME. He would start nursing at about 6:30 and not stop (literally)

until almost 10 PM. It was almost like a pacifier for him! . What I was

told was to not worry about it. Babies are much better at knowing when

enough is enough. He is 2 now, and although he has always been in the 95%+

category. he is just as lean as he is tall. The only thing I would say is

to be careful with the cereal. They really are not supposed to have it

before 4 months or 15 pounds.

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OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Ok, as if I don't have enough to do I am worried about Kaarina having

weight problems, and I wanted to ask all of you how you delt with

this.

She is perfectly normal according to the doctor and within the 75% of

average. I worry because as she goes through growth spurts she eats

all the time and I didn't know if I could do something this early

that would cause her to have obesity problems later on. I realize

genetically she is predisposed to it, but I just didn't want to make

things worse.

I keep getting conflicting information and I wanted to see what you

guys had to say. I am told breastfed babies can't be overfed, and

she is 90% on breastmilk unless she is so hungry that I can't supply

her with enough and then we give her diluted evaporated milk (which

is the only thing that doesn't give her colics and what the books

recommend for " homemade " formula).

I have been adding 2 tbsp of rice cereal plain in her milk at night

because she sleeps longer and better that way.

I am just worried about doing the " right thing " ..which from what I

can tell all depends on perspective. :/ Drats, I was looking for a

concrete answer.

Thanks for your help.

PS

She is now 11lbs 9 ounces and measuring 24 inches long. Amazing

how fast she is growing.

~Ann

RNY-lap 09-00

Preop Weight - 265+

Current Weight 145 (10 weeks postpartum)

Mommy to - Kaarina Honor - born 01-17-02

[Guest guest]

Actually, it's the opposite. The foremilk is less fatty and the hindmilk is

the most fatty.

Here are a couple of great sites about breastfeeding:

http://www.parentingweb.com/lounge/bf_basics/getstart.htm

http://www.lalecheleague.org/

Blessings,

Jordan's Mommy

( in California)

OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Ok, as if I don't have enough to do I am worried about Kaarina having

weight problems, and I wanted to ask all of you how you delt with

this.

She is perfectly normal according to the doctor and within the 75% of

average. I worry because as she goes through growth spurts she eats

all the time and I didn't know if I could do something this early

that would cause her to have obesity problems later on. I realize

genetically she is predisposed to it, but I just didn't want to make

things worse.

I keep getting conflicting information and I wanted to see what you

guys had to say. I am told breastfed babies can't be overfed, and

she is 90% on breastmilk unless she is so hungry that I can't supply

her with enough and then we give her diluted evaporated milk (which

is the only thing that doesn't give her colics and what the books

recommend for " homemade " formula).

I have been adding 2 tbsp of rice cereal plain in her milk at night

because she sleeps longer and better that way.

I am just worried about doing the " right thing " ..which from what I

can tell all depends on perspective. :/ Drats, I was looking for a

concrete answer.

Thanks for your help.

PS

She is now 11lbs 9 ounces and measuring 24 inches long. Amazing

how fast she is growing.

~Ann

RNY-lap 09-00

Preop Weight - 265+

Current Weight 145 (10 weeks postpartum)

Mommy to - Kaarina Honor - born 01-17-02

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>Actually, it's the opposite. The foremilk is less fatty and the hindmilk is

>the most fatty.

>

This is true. The foremilk is much thinner and more watery, which is why

it's important for the baby to nurse longer than just a few minutes,

because if they only get the foremilk, they'll be hungrier again sooner,

and then pretty soon you'll feel like you're doing nothing but nursing

all day. Of course, there at the beginning it can feel like that anyway. LOL

K

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Oops!!! That is what I meant too.. Geesh.. It has been too long since I

have had a baby in the house! Sorry about that ladies!

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Re: OT: worries about baby becomming fat

wrote:

>Actually, it's the opposite. The foremilk is less fatty and the hindmilk

is

>the most fatty.

>

This is true. The foremilk is much thinner and more watery, which is why

it's important for the baby to nurse longer than just a few minutes,

because if they only get the foremilk, they'll be hungrier again sooner,

and then pretty soon you'll feel like you're doing nothing but nursing

all day. Of course, there at the beginning it can feel like that anyway. LOL

K

[Guest guest]

Ann,

Relax and stop worrying...there are studies after studies that show breastfed

babies do NOT cause obesity later on in life, in fact it's the opposite. FF

babes have a significant higher incidence of obesity later on in life. Easy

to find the info to back it up, check out LLL for starters.

As for rice cereal has your Pedi suggested that? That's the only thing that

raises a red flag w/ me, a big red flag. IMHO, anything other than BM at 10

weeks is a no no, but like I said, it's my opinion.

Supplementing w/ diluted evap milk is something new to me. When supplements

are truly required, expressed bm is the best choice. Have you checked out Dr

Jack Newman's book, " THe Ultimate BF'ing Book of Answers " ? If you are pro

BF'ing, I would suggest this book...to me, it's the bible in BF'ing.

Have you tried increasing your supply to meet her demands? For example,

expressing more often (whether you do it by hand, pump or directly bf) or herbs

(fenugreek and blessed thistle, fennel, goat's rue, garlic...).

I know you're on a particular BF yahoo group, they're great, but also check out

the following newsgroup misc.kids.breastfeeding. Post your question(s) there

as well...you may find that some of us belong to both groups but perspectives

from individuals could be helpful. Also, is your Ped pro BF'ing? That can

make a significant difference on your approach based on info you get from

him/her.

Keep me up to date on what's going on.

O

OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Ok, as if I don't have enough to do I am worried about Kaarina having

weight problems, and I wanted to ask all of you how you delt with

this.

She is perfectly normal according to the doctor and within the 75% of

average. I worry because as she goes through growth spurts she eats

all the time and I didn't know if I could do something this early

that would cause her to have obesity problems later on. I realize

genetically she is predisposed to it, but I just didn't want to make

things worse.

I keep getting conflicting information and I wanted to see what you

guys had to say. I am told breastfed babies can't be overfed, and

she is 90% on breastmilk unless she is so hungry that I can't supply

her with enough and then we give her diluted evaporated milk (which

is the only thing that doesn't give her colics and what the books

recommend for " homemade " formula).

I have been adding 2 tbsp of rice cereal plain in her milk at night

because she sleeps longer and better that way.

I am just worried about doing the " right thing " ..which from what I

can tell all depends on perspective. :/ Drats, I was looking for a

concrete answer.

Thanks for your help.

PS

She is now 11lbs 9 ounces and measuring 24 inches long. Amazing

how fast she is growing.

~Ann

RNY-lap 09-00

Preop Weight - 265+

Current Weight 145 (10 weeks postpartum)

Mommy to - Kaarina Honor - born 01-17-02

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the response.

> Relax and stop worrying...there are studies after studies that show

breastfed babies do NOT cause obesity later on in life, in fact it's

the opposite. FF babes have a significant higher incidence of

obesity later on in life. Easy to find the info to back it up,

check out LLL for starters.

I have spoken to LLL consultants and to the other bf group I belong

to, my milk production is pretty good, I am able to express ( and do

several times a day ) 9-11 ounces every 4 hours or so. Sometimes

that's plenty for her and sometimes it's not. She consumes enough BM

that I don't have any stored away so when I am out, I am REALLY

REALLY out. I have tried all the formulas and the cause such severe

colic that I resorted to the evaporated milk dilution that I found in

one of the baby books. Nutritionally I know it's not the same as

formula but she only gets it at the most once a day if needed.

That's usually enough to get me to catch up to her needs.

> As for rice cereal has your Pedi suggested that? That's the only

>thing that raises a red flag w/ me, a big red flag. IMHO, anything

>other than BM at 10 weeks is a no no, but like I said, it's my

>opinion.

My doctor doesn't like starting solids for bf babies till they are

6months old. The only thing is that she really does sleep better

with 2 tbsp in her milk, and mostly what I have read says the reasons

to not start cereal is choking hazard and immature digestive system.

Some books suggest starting on rice cereal at 3 months others at 4

and other still yet say 6 months. All I know is that as long as I

don't give her formula she does well, and if I add cereal at the last

PM feeding she sleeps through the night. She also really seems to

enjoy that bottle. Durring the day she can and often does eat every

hour, I don't mind it's just at night I like to get more than a few

minutes of sleep.

> Supplementing w/ diluted evap milk is something new to me. When

supplements are truly required, expressed bm is the best choice.

Have you checked out Dr Jack Newman's book, " THe Ultimate BF'ing Book

of Answers " ? If you are pro BF'ing, I would suggest this book...to

me, it's the bible in BF'ing.

I will look it up, I have been taking mother's milk tea and drinking

juices from a juicer (freshly made) on the suggestion of LLL. My

supply is pretty good from I have been told, my little one just eat a

lot. Her weight is normal and she has been growing well, she has

over 6 wet diapers a day and has a BM at least every other day...so

all is well as far as I can tell.

> Have you tried increasing your supply to meet her demands? For

example, expressing more often (whether you do it by hand, pump or

directly bf) or herbs (fenugreek and blessed thistle, fennel, goat's

rue, garlic...).

Pumping usually keeps my supply steady it doesn't really increase it

and when Kaarina doesn't want to nurse due to being fussy ( I have

been told it's possibly a nursing strike ) I express with each

feeding. I haven't tried the herbs yet because I am taking MMT.

> I know you're on a particular BF yahoo group, they're great, but

also check out the following newsgroup misc.kids.breastfeeding.

Post your question(s) there as well...you may find that some of us

belong to both groups but perspectives from individuals could be

helpful. Also, is your Ped pro BF'ing? That can make a

significant difference on your approach based on info you get from

him/her.

My Ped is pro BFing, but it's not really the easy route is it, I am

dedicated to BFing as long as I can even if she decides she doesn't

want to nurse I am determined to pump and feed her the milk.

Again, thanks for your advice.

~Ann

RNY-lap 09-00

Preop Weight 265+

Current Weight 145 (10 weeks post partum)

Mommy to - Kaarina Honor - born 01-17-02 (6lbs 8ounces and 19 inches)

[Guest guest]

Does she take a pacifier? Maybe she is eating when she would be satisfied

sucking. Babies love to suck. Or water? I have been told not to put cereal

in the bottle. If she is hungry to start to let her have it by spoon. Does

evaporated milk have sugar in it? (or is that condensed?) That would worry

me re weight gain as does juice. How bad is the colic? it should start to

pass very soon usually doesn't last long

Lenore

OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Ok, as if I don't have enough to do I am worried about Kaarina having

weight problems, and I wanted to ask all of you how you delt with

this.

She is perfectly normal according to the doctor and within the 75% of

average. I worry because as she goes through growth spurts she eats

all the time and I didn't know if I could do something this early

that would cause her to have obesity problems later on. I realize

genetically she is predisposed to it, but I just didn't want to make

things worse.

I keep getting conflicting information and I wanted to see what you

guys had to say. I am told breastfed babies can't be overfed, and

she is 90% on breastmilk unless she is so hungry that I can't supply

her with enough and then we give her diluted evaporated milk (which

is the only thing that doesn't give her colics and what the books

recommend for " homemade " formula).

I have been adding 2 tbsp of rice cereal plain in her milk at night

because she sleeps longer and better that way.

I am just worried about doing the " right thing " ..which from what I

can tell all depends on perspective. :/ Drats, I was looking for a

concrete answer.

Thanks for your help.

PS

She is now 11lbs 9 ounces and measuring 24 inches long. Amazing

how fast she is growing.

~Ann

RNY-lap 09-00

Preop Weight - 265+

Current Weight 145 (10 weeks postpartum)

Mommy to - Kaarina Honor - born 01-17-02

Children are a blessing, and a gift from the Lord. -Psalm 127:3

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In a message dated 3/29/2002 9:58:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,

modesty@... writes:

> Go to www.babys-bliss.com . Trust me on this one!

I agree 100% when my DD was 3mos old we went to Canada and I found Gripe

water in their Walmart ang brought back 8 bottles of it with me! Definately

a life saver!

*~Joy~*

Lap RNY @ 491lbs

2/26/01

Dr. Bertha

town Memorial Hospital

Mommy to:

1-9-99

&

Saralyn

12-15-99

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann,

I know you've gotten an overwhelming response already but I had to write in too

You're doing the best thing you can by breastfeeding. Studies have shown that

breastfeeding does significantly reduce the chance of obesity in children, but

there's a debate over why. Some people think it's because of the composition of

the milk, but experts are discovering it's more in the way breastfed children

are fed. Most breastfed babies are fed on demand, while most formula fed babies

are put on a schedule. When you allow a child the power to determine when

he/she is ready to eat, you teach the child to listen to his or her own body.

Those children develop a stronger sense of food for fuel rather than comfort,

pleasure, boredom-reliever...etc. The best things you can do to prevent weight

problems in kids is to stay out of their food: (I know, this is still early)

but don't ever tell thm to finish what's on their plate; don't use food as a

reward and practice good eating habits because that's how they learn. Let them

learn to understand their own bodies.

Now, someone else said they had a red flag about the cereal, and I have to

agree...but also about the evaporated milk. Kaarina is waaaaay too young for

either of these things. Her little tummy is not equipped to digest these things

and starting these foods too young can cause serious digestive problems for her.

Evaporated milk reconstituted is just cow's milk. I'm sure we all know the

recommendation that infants not be fed cow's milk before 12 mos. When my

husband was an infant (and my best friend) their parents were both told by

pediatricians to feed them the condensed milk...My husband has a real problem

digesting milk (and other things) and my best friend is severely allergic to

dairy also. I know, this is purely anecdotal, but the proteins in milk are not

broken down enough for a little one's tummy and that's why it can cause damage.

As for the cereal, the AAP recommends nothing but breastmilk until 6 mos of age,

though many people start at 4 mos. She is sleeping longer when you give her the

cereal because her ody has to work so much harder to break down that food. By

supplementing your breastmilk at this age you could also be potentially

sabotaging your own supply. It's okay to let her nurse even when you believe

there is nothing left in your breasts. This tells your body that you need to

produce more to meet her demands. Less nursing = less milk. Growth spurts and

seemingly endless nursing are really quite normal. One thing I did a couple of

times while I ws nursing my youngest daughter (to increase my supply) was

nursing weekends. Fatigue can really impact your milk supply, and unfortunately

it's really common in new moms. My lactation consultant recommended spending an

entire weekend in bed with my only real activity being nursing. My husband

prepared meals & took care of the rest of the stuff and played with the baby,

and I rested as much as humanly possible for 48 hours and it really did help

boost production in the milk mills

Someone else suggested, and I will second the suggestion that you contact

LaLeche League or a certified lactation consultant for advice. As supportive

and well-intentioned as most doctors are, nursing is something that is really

only brushed over in med school, and they receive so much more on the job

training from formula companies (in the form of intensive marketing). Above

all, don't stress too much and just enjoy that precious little one (((HUGS)))

F.

OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Ok, as if I don't have enough to do I am worried about Kaarina having

weight problems, and I wanted to ask all of you how you delt with

this.

She is perfectly normal according to the doctor and within the 75% of

average. I worry because as she goes through growth spurts she eats

all the time and I didn't know if I could do something this early

that would cause her to have obesity problems later on. I realize

genetically she is predisposed to it, but I just didn't want to make

things worse.

I keep getting conflicting information and I wanted to see what you

guys had to say. I am told breastfed babies can't be overfed, and

she is 90% on breastmilk unless she is so hungry that I can't supply

her with enough and then we give her diluted evaporated milk (which

is the only thing that doesn't give her colics and what the books

recommend for " homemade " formula).

I have been adding 2 tbsp of rice cereal plain in her milk at night

because she sleeps longer and better that way.

I am just worried about doing the " right thing " ..which from what I

can tell all depends on perspective. :/ Drats, I was looking for a

concrete answer.

Thanks for your help.

PS

She is now 11lbs 9 ounces and measuring 24 inches long. Amazing

how fast she is growing.

~Ann

RNY-lap 09-00

Preop Weight - 265+

Current Weight 145 (10 weeks postpartum)

Mommy to - Kaarina Honor - born 01-17-02

Children are a blessing, and a gift from the Lord. -Psalm 127:3

[Guest guest]

Ann,

I was on my way to bed last night and I forgot to mention Gripe Water. This

stuff is a 'must have' for anyone that has a baby in my opinion! Gripe water

provides relief for babies (and children!) suffering from minor stomach

discomforts that are brought on by gas, colic and hiccups.

It's all natural, includes fennel and ginger. Does NOT contain alcohol, sugar,

artificial colors/flavors, fillers, soy, yeast, gluten, starch or dairy.

Go to www.babys-bliss.com . Trust me on this one!

O

[Guest guest]

Very well said, !

Re: OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Hi Ann,

I know you've gotten an overwhelming response already but I had to write

in too

You're doing the best thing you can by breastfeeding. Studies have shown

that breastfeeding does significantly reduce the chance of obesity in

children, but there's a debate over why. Some people think it's because of

the composition of the milk, but experts are discovering it's more in the

way breastfed children are fed. Most breastfed babies are fed on demand,

while most formula fed babies are put on a schedule. When you allow a child

the power to determine when he/she is ready to eat, you teach the child to

listen to his or her own body. Those children develop a stronger sense of

food for fuel rather than comfort, pleasure, boredom-reliever...etc. The

best things you can do to prevent weight problems in kids is to stay out of

their food: (I know, this is still early) but don't ever tell thm to finish

what's on their plate; don't use food as a reward and practice good eating

habits because that's how they learn. Let them learn to understand their

own bodies.

Now, someone else said they had a red flag about the cereal, and I have to

agree...but also about the evaporated milk. Kaarina is waaaaay too young

for either of these things. Her little tummy is not equipped to digest

these things and starting these foods too young can cause serious digestive

problems for her. Evaporated milk reconstituted is just cow's milk. I'm

sure we all know the recommendation that infants not be fed cow's milk

before 12 mos. When my husband was an infant (and my best friend) their

parents were both told by pediatricians to feed them the condensed milk...My

husband has a real problem digesting milk (and other things) and my best

friend is severely allergic to dairy also. I know, this is purely

anecdotal, but the proteins in milk are not broken down enough for a little

one's tummy and that's why it can cause damage. As for the cereal, the AAP

recommends nothing but breastmilk until 6 mos of age, though many people

start at 4 mos. She is sleeping longer when you give her the cereal because

her ody has to work so much harder to break down that food. By

supplementing your breastmilk at this age you could also be potentially

sabotaging your own supply. It's okay to let her nurse even when you

believe there is nothing left in your breasts. This tells your body that

you need to produce more to meet her demands. Less nursing = less milk.

Growth spurts and seemingly endless nursing are really quite normal. One

thing I did a couple of times while I ws nursing my youngest daughter (to

increase my supply) was nursing weekends. Fatigue can really impact your

milk supply, and unfortunately it's really common in new moms. My lactation

consultant recommended spending an entire weekend in bed with my only real

activity being nursing. My husband prepared meals & took care of the rest

of the stuff and played with the baby, and I rested as much as humanly

possible for 48 hours and it really did help boost production in the milk

mills

Someone else suggested, and I will second the suggestion that you contact

LaLeche League or a certified lactation consultant for advice. As

supportive and well-intentioned as most doctors are, nursing is something

that is really only brushed over in med school, and they receive so much

more on the job training from formula companies (in the form of intensive

marketing). Above all, don't stress too much and just enjoy that precious

little one (((HUGS)))

F.

OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Ok, as if I don't have enough to do I am worried about Kaarina having

weight problems, and I wanted to ask all of you how you delt with

this.

She is perfectly normal according to the doctor and within the 75% of

average. I worry because as she goes through growth spurts she eats

all the time and I didn't know if I could do something this early

that would cause her to have obesity problems later on. I realize

genetically she is predisposed to it, but I just didn't want to make

things worse.

I keep getting conflicting information and I wanted to see what you

guys had to say. I am told breastfed babies can't be overfed, and

she is 90% on breastmilk unless she is so hungry that I can't supply

her with enough and then we give her diluted evaporated milk (which

is the only thing that doesn't give her colics and what the books

recommend for " homemade " formula).

I have been adding 2 tbsp of rice cereal plain in her milk at night

because she sleeps longer and better that way.

I am just worried about doing the " right thing " ..which from what I

can tell all depends on perspective. :/ Drats, I was looking for a

concrete answer.

Thanks for your help.

PS

She is now 11lbs 9 ounces and measuring 24 inches long. Amazing

how fast she is growing.

~Ann

RNY-lap 09-00

Preop Weight - 265+

Current Weight 145 (10 weeks postpartum)

Mommy to - Kaarina Honor - born 01-17-02

Children are a blessing, and a gift from the Lord. -Psalm 127:3

[Guest guest]

Great advice, ! You reminded me about a product I use. Mother's Milk

Tea. It has the fenugreek and a host of other great things in it.

Re: OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Ann,

Relax and stop worrying...there are studies after studies that show

breastfed babies do NOT cause obesity later on in life, in fact it's the

opposite. FF babes have a significant higher incidence of obesity later

on in life. Easy to find the info to back it up, check out LLL for

starters.

As for rice cereal has your Pedi suggested that? That's the only thing

that raises a red flag w/ me, a big red flag. IMHO, anything other than BM

at 10 weeks is a no no, but like I said, it's my opinion.

Supplementing w/ diluted evap milk is something new to me. When

supplements are truly required, expressed bm is the best choice. Have you

checked out Dr Jack Newman's book, " THe Ultimate BF'ing Book of Answers " ?

If you are pro BF'ing, I would suggest this book...to me, it's the bible in

BF'ing.

Have you tried increasing your supply to meet her demands? For example,

expressing more often (whether you do it by hand, pump or directly bf) or

herbs (fenugreek and blessed thistle, fennel, goat's rue, garlic...).

I know you're on a particular BF yahoo group, they're great, but also

check out the following newsgroup misc.kids.breastfeeding. Post your

question(s) there as well...you may find that some of us belong to both

groups but perspectives from individuals could be helpful. Also, is your

Ped pro BF'ing? That can make a significant difference on your approach

based on info you get from him/her.

Keep me up to date on what's going on.

O

Children are a blessing, and a gift from the Lord. -Psalm 127:

[Guest guest]

Hi Lenore,

> Does she take a pacifier? Maybe she is eating when she would be

>satisfied sucking.

Yup she takes only one kind of pacifier and we call it the " holy

grail of pacifiers " It's the newest gerber one that is neon

looking so tired parents could find it anywhere.

But to answer your question she is a baby that knows what she wants

she will only take the pacifier when she wants it and the bottle when

she wants it and is VERY definitive about what she wants. You should

see her feedings I sit there trying to figure out if it's the breast

the bottle of expressed milk or her pacifier she wants.

The pediatrician says she is unusually alert for her age (and that

was two weeks ago!).

>Babies love to suck. Or water? I have been told not to put cereal

> in the bottle. If she is hungry to start to let her have it by

>spoon.

Well, my mom liked to feed her the cereal in the spoon but everytime

I try she starts to choke so I don't like to. I also only like to

give her the cereal once a day when I am really really awake so that

I can pay super close attention since the hole in the nipple is a

little larger and I am afraid of choking. She just started taking a

little water, but again she takes it from my mother (when she visits)

and spits it out when I try. (go figure)

I know there are some wives-tales that say to feed them rice-water to

hold them over if you don't have enough milk. I haven't tried that

yet though.

>Does evaporated milk have sugar in it? (or is that condensed?) That

>would worry me re weight gain as does juice.

No evaporated is like regular whole milk but somehow it's denatured,

it's the only milk I can stand since WLS that doesn't bother

me...condensed milk is the sweet sticky stuff you make pies with like

key lime and pumpkin. And I haven't started any juices at all

because I keep reading that they are just unnecessary sugars and I

think the schedule the doctors reccommend is at one year of age.

>How bad is the colic? it should start to

> pass very soon usually doesn't last long

The regular colic from unknown sources has passed, the formula colic

(lactose free, soy, etc...) is just horrible. After she drinks it

about 4-8 hours later she turns red, cries, bunches her legs up,

can't be satisfied at all. I experimented for a while with this and

that and for a while would just let her get hungry if I didn't have

milk I would place her on my breast and let her suck but now she just

gets really mad and starts crying for milk.

Thanks again for all the advice.

~Ann

[Guest guest]

See, now I have to get some Gripe Water! Dang it....another thing to

add to the list of baby needs. :-)

Lori~

> In a message dated 3/29/2002 9:58:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> modesty@p... writes:

>

>

> > Go to www.babys-bliss.com . Trust me on this one!

>

> I agree 100% when my DD was 3mos old we went to Canada and I found

Gripe

> water in their Walmart ang brought back 8 bottles of it with me!

Definately

> a life saver!

>

> *~Joy~*

> Lap RNY @ 491lbs

> 2/26/01

> Dr. Bertha

> town Memorial Hospital

> Mommy to:

>

> 1-9-99

> &

> Saralyn

> 12-15-99

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I bought 4 bottles and the medicine dropper from the site. Since I don't plan

on using baby bottles, the medicine dropper will be utilized to deliver the

gripe water.

Suggested use:

0-1 months: 1/2 tsp (2.5 ml)

1-6 months: 1 tsp (5 ml)

children 6 months and older: 2 tsp (10 ml)

adults: 2 Tbsp (30ml)

Directions:

Shake well. May be taken by dropper or in a bottle up to 6 times in a 24 hour

period. Discard 6 weeks after opening.

One bottle is 4 fl oz (120 ml)

O

Re: OT: worries about baby becomming fat

See, now I have to get some Gripe Water! Dang it....another thing to

add to the list of baby needs. :-)

Lori~

> In a message dated 3/29/2002 9:58:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> modesty@p... writes:

>

>

> > Go to www.babys-bliss.com . Trust me on this one!

>

> I agree 100% when my DD was 3mos old we went to Canada and I found

Gripe

> water in their Walmart ang brought back 8 bottles of it with me!

Definately

> a life saver!

>

> *~Joy~*

> Lap RNY @ 491lbs

> 2/26/01

> Dr. Bertha

> town Memorial Hospital

> Mommy to:

>

> 1-9-99

> &

> Saralyn

> 12-15-99

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

How does this work on hiccups? Jordan gets them just about every day. I've

tried burping her more frequently, changed the temp of the formula (my

supply still hasn't come in enough from the long term pumping while Jordan

was still too small to nurse) ...nothing seems to help.

Thanks!

Re: Re: OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Ann,

I was on my way to bed last night and I forgot to mention Gripe Water.

This stuff is a 'must have' for anyone that has a baby in my opinion!

Gripe water provides relief for babies (and children!) suffering from minor

stomach discomforts that are brought on by gas, colic and hiccups.

It's all natural, includes fennel and ginger. Does NOT contain alcohol,

sugar, artificial colors/flavors, fillers, soy, yeast, gluten, starch or

dairy.

Go to www.babys-bliss.com . Trust me on this one!

O

[Guest guest]

To be honest, I don't know how it works on hiccups, I just know it does! If it

was a pharmaceutical I could be very specific in the mechanism of action but

when it comes natural 'stuff' I don't have an educated explanation for how it

works. I also forgot to mention it's great for babes when teething.

O

Re: Re: OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Ann,

I was on my way to bed last night and I forgot to mention Gripe Water.

This stuff is a 'must have' for anyone that has a baby in my opinion!

Gripe water provides relief for babies (and children!) suffering from minor

stomach discomforts that are brought on by gas, colic and hiccups.

It's all natural, includes fennel and ginger. Does NOT contain alcohol,

sugar, artificial colors/flavors, fillers, soy, yeast, gluten, starch or

dairy.

Go to www.babys-bliss.com . Trust me on this one!

O

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I just wanted to clear a couple of things up..Kaarina doesn't want to

nurse at this stage, I am not sure but I think she is doing a nursing

strike. She is taking expressed milk in a bottle and is doing well

on that. Unfortunately putting her on the breast all day isn't an

option, because she just cries when I try to nurse her and she

doesn't want to nurse.

I have talked to LLL and they said babies who are given bottles will

wax and wane between nursing and the bottle. The problem is that

when I am out of milk I really am OUT, I don't have reserves. I am

not very concerned with her not nursing I keep trying and I pump in

the meantime which keeps my supply (accoding to LLL the pump does

help in the milk supply just not as well as the baby does).

I understand the whole cereal thing is a bit controversial, but I do

appreciate everyone's input. I will copy the text where I

found " making your own formula " I think it's out of the baby's first

year..done by similac which my ped gave me. I have to look it up.

That's where is tells you to use evaporated milk.

Ok...off I go to play with the little one.

Again, thanks to everyone for their input...this first time mom likes

to make informed decisions.

~Ann

RNY-lap 09-00

Preop Weight 265+

Current Weight 145 (10 weeks post partum)

Mommy to - Kaarina Honor - born 01-17-02 (6lbs 8ounces)

[Guest guest]

Yup got it...the baby pukes it up along with anything else I try to

give her.

She vomits that and anything else she had in her stomach then looks

at me like " where's my breast milk? " . LOL!

~Ann

> Ann,

>

> I was on my way to bed last night and I forgot to mention Gripe

Water. This stuff is a 'must have' for anyone that has a baby in my

opinion! Gripe water provides relief for babies (and children!)

suffering from minor stomach discomforts that are brought on by gas,

colic and hiccups.

>

> It's all natural, includes fennel and ginger. Does NOT contain

alcohol, sugar, artificial colors/flavors, fillers, soy, yeast,

gluten, starch or dairy.

>

> Go to www.babys-bliss.com . Trust me on this one!

>

> O

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/29/2002 3:20:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,

modesty@... writes:

> Wow, Karrina is the first that I've heard of that throws it up.

> Interesting...

>

I'm assuming you mean BM! Saralyn (my 2yr old) puked it up constantly. Was

found to have severe reflux!

*~Joy~*

Lap RNY @ 491lbs

2/26/01

Dr. Bertha

town Memorial Hospital

Mommy to:

1-9-99

&

Saralyn

12-15-99

[Guest guest]

Wow, Karrina is the first that I've heard of that throws it up. Interesting...

O

Re: OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Yup got it...the baby pukes it up along with anything else I try to

give her.

She vomits that and anything else she had in her stomach then looks

at me like " where's my breast milk? " . LOL!

~Ann

[Guest guest]

all babies get lotsa hiccups. it is no harm. it is esercising developing

lungs.

Lenore

Re: Re: OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Ann,

I was on my way to bed last night and I forgot to mention Gripe Water.

This stuff is a 'must have' for anyone that has a baby in my opinion!

Gripe water provides relief for babies (and children!) suffering from minor

stomach discomforts that are brought on by gas, colic and hiccups.

It's all natural, includes fennel and ginger. Does NOT contain alcohol,

sugar, artificial colors/flavors, fillers, soy, yeast, gluten, starch or

dairy.

Go to www.babys-bliss.com . Trust me on this one!

O

[Guest guest]

I remember that Isaac had hiccups about six times a day while I was

pregnant with him. Feeling him hiccupping was really odd, too!

K

Lenore Levy wrote:

>all babies get lotsa hiccups. it is no harm. it is esercising developing

>lungs.

>

[Guest guest]

Re: OT: worries about baby becomming fat

Well, my mom liked to feed her the cereal in the spoon but everytime

I try she starts to choke so I don't like to. I also only like to

give her the cereal once a day when I am really really awake so that

I can pay super close attention since the hole in the nipple is a

little larger and I am afraid of choking. She just started taking a

little water, but again she takes it from my mother (when she visits)

and spits it out when I try. (go figure)

I know there are some wives-tales that say to feed them rice-water to

hold them over if you don't have enough milk. I haven't tried that

yet though.

When I started feeding my baby with the spoon it just took a while for him

to learn it. Also made it very thin.

The regular colic from unknown sources has passed, the formula colic

(lactose free, soy, etc...) is just horrible. After she drinks it

about 4-8 hours later she turns red, cries, bunches her legs up,

can't be satisfied at all. I experimented for a while with this and

that and for a while would just let her get hungry if I didn't have

milk I would place her on my breast and let her suck but now she just

gets really mad and starts crying for milk.

Is it colic or could it be just constipation? If so maybe a coule of

teaspoonsof prune juice mixed in another feeding?

Good luck

Lenore

Thanks again for all the advice.

~Ann

Children are a blessing, and a gift from the Lord. -Psalm 127:3