Re: Digest Number 875

January 11, 2001

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> There are 15 messages in this issue.

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> Topics in this digest:

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> 1. light bulbs

> From: Henry <pj20844@...>

> 2. tincture

> From: Henry <pj20844@...>

> 3. Re: light bulbs

> From: " patrick rodriguez " <hyperbaric1@...>

> 4. Re: Vitamin D, the kidney steroid

> From: " Price " <jhprice@...>

> 5. Re: Re: QuackWatch

> From: FAMANSON@...

> 6. Re: Re: Quacks in Control

> From: " Saul Pressman " <saul@...>

> 7. Re: MSM Side Effects/reply

> From: " Colin Quinney " <quinney@...>

> 8. Re: tincture

> From: " L. Cousins " <bcousins@...>

> 9. Re: light bulbs

> From: Bob Stirling <gdraft@...>

> 10. Re: Insulin resistence, low blood sugar, diabetes/colin/vilik

> From: carlylyon@...

> 11. Re: tincture

> From: dbates3809@...

> 12. Re: kidney stones

> From: Sharon sey <Starshar@...>

> 13. Re: Vitamin D, the kidney steroid

> From: Sharon sey <Starshar@...>

> 14. Re: kidney stones - Chanca-Piedra

> From: bbtristate@...

> 15. SIGN PETITION NOW

> From: BILL D <tanchu@...>

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> Message: 1

> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:01:43 -0800

> From: Henry <pj20844@...>

> Subject: light bulbs

>

> The best full spectrum bulbs are the Ott lights, or so a lot of

> 'experts' say. Chromalux are not even in the running. But my two Ott

> bulbs cost me nearly 35.00$ EACH and I just don't want to spend that

> much again. Someone on one list mentioned using plant bulbs and

> getting

> good light from them. I tried a few, and sure enough, they are great.

> Good white light, not yellow at all. I don't have any tech info saying

> they are as good as, or nearly as good as, the Ott bulbs, but they sure

> put out good looking light. pj

>

> ________________________________________________________________________

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> Message: 2

> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:05:33 -0800

> From: Henry <pj20844@...>

> Subject: tincture

>

> Using 2 1/2 tsp. in 1/4 cup of water and swallowing it over a period

> of about 5 minutes is what eliminated the eye pain. A couple of months

> later I used a few (5 or 6) drops of the tincture in about a tablespoon

> of water to make eyedrops. These are giving the eye increased comfort.

> pj I take the tincture orally once a week. I use the drops every day.

>

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> Message: 3

> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:26:31 -0800

> From: " patrick rodriguez " <hyperbaric1@...>

> Subject: Re: light bulbs

>

> I need to know where to get blubs for my office, If anyone knows an

address/

> e-mail/ or phone number where I can order them Please forward to

> hyperbaric1@...

>

> Re: Vitamin D, the kidney steroid

>

> thanks to anyone who has more 'stone' ideas!

>

> Sharon

>

> Saul had a great post on everything you can do for

> kidney stones. I can only add a couple of things.

>

> I tell people to take magnesium and B6 every day of

> your life from here on out and you will have no more than

> one spell with kidney stones, and that is with the ones

> that are there

> right now. Prevention had an article on that many

> years ago.

>

> Also, I have used acupuncture with good results for

> pain. Good luck with this painful affliction.

> jp

>

December 18, 2001

Congrats Casey on taking some steps. It is VERY exciting and you

just know she'll start doing it more. It does wear them out!

Kay Tiernan- Mom to , , -ds-31 mos. old

April 30, 2002

This is a beautiful poem! May I have permission to use this when the time is

right? And if so, what was your name so I can give you credit as the author?

You can e-mail me at VanAlbert@... with the info if you'd rather.

Thanks!

In a message dated 4/30/02 7:20:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Autism_in_Girls writes:

> spedmomof1 wrote:

>

> > The Blue Print

> >

> > Here is my handprint as you can see,

> > it's blue and bigger than it used to be.

> > I've grown a lot, I'm smarter too,

> > Lots of that is Thanks to you.

> > Like how to wait, and stand in line,

> > And facing front at circle time.

> > I climb the stairs, and hold the rail,

> > And put my hair in a ponytail.

> > I came to you when I was three,

> > And of course, transitioned easily.

> > You stopped my fits, you set me straight,

> > All needs I now communicate.

> > With kindness and patience you did show

> > that I can learn and I can grow.

> > And I can have & be a friend,

> > these social skills will never end.

> > I can read and write my name,

> > share, take turns, and play a game.

> > All these lessons taught through play,

> > Yet I know I can not stay.

> > I don't know what my future will bring,

> > but the foundation you set means everything.

> > Now that my time in preschool is through,

> > I Thank You for your Blue Prints, too.

> >

> > (was accompanied by a handprint in blue ink)

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October 10, 2004

I bought an alpha-stim recently for healing and pain management of my broken ankle ( 3 surgeries in two years). I have been so impressed that I have become a distributor. The CES is FDA approved for insomnia, depression, and anxiety. When I lhave let distressed clients use it, they report extremely positive results - more calm. The CES unit alone involves ear clips and the CES/pain management unit includes electrodes for specific pain areas - such as my ankle plus the ear clips. The alpha-stim people point out that anyone in chronic pain will experience some type of depression/anxiety. Also the CES unit appears to be very helpful for fibromyalgia folks. I think it is a really good product. Mershona Parshall LISW

October 10, 2004

Light-sound machines are used with neurofeedback. I don't know that it

matters which machine. Soutar talks about using AVE in his

short but very useful book, Doing Neurofeedback. I use it with some

clients. Please feel free to call me at (773) 807-0936.

Kathy Abbott, Psy. D.

Chicago

Re: Bursts of high beta and gamma

Dear and Mark,

Thank you for helpful suggestions. I initially considered the

hypothesis of epileptiform activity and asked for any history of

seizures or unusual sensations/behaviours/absences etc. Interestingly

the girl answered that she has had an episode of uncontrollable

shaking following very severe punishment by her father, but the

parents had not seen any evidence of epileptic activity. The unusual

bursts of high frequency activity has happened several times, always

on the right side of the head. I have checked that the girl is

actually present when it happens by asking her if she feels any

different as it happens or if she is tightening her jaw etc. She

hears me and answers the question by " No, I don't feel any different,

and no, I am not tightening any muscles or doing anything different. "

I have observed high frequency activity from muscle tension in other

patients, but this looks much less dramatic than the bursts I am

talking about here. Regardless of whether this is muscle tension on

the head or epileptiform activity, Mark's suggested treatment

protocol sounds reasonable. The only thing I was concerned about is

whether training up lowbeta could slow down her brainwave activity

even more, as high amplitude theta and delta waves is the predominant

pattern apart from the high amplitude high beta and gamma bursts. She

does not have excessive high frequency activity in the temporal

lobes, but she does have little power in lowbeta in most places.

(, I used the Brainmaster - 2 channel recording.)

Eva

-- In , " Daly " <nbwc@m...> wrote:

> Dear Eva,

> In response to your inquiry and the description of the EEG waves, I

might speculate that you could be looking at an epileptiform type

discharge. I dont know what equipment you are using or how many

channels your are recording, but if this pattern (as described)were

seen on a routine clinical EEG recording there is the possibility

that it could be among other things an absence (petit mal) type issue

or one of the variants. Again, I am making this speculation (not a

diagnosis) solely based on your description of the EEG and the

accompanying symptom complex. This of course could be confirmed from

a consultation with a neurologist and the administration of a

clinical EEG. I would be interested to hear how this case turns out.

>

> Regards

>

> M. Daly Ph.D., C, Psych.

> Bursts of high beta and gamma

>

> I am currently treating a 12-year-old girl with Attention Deficit

> Disorder and extreme oppositional behaviours. She also has

problems

> with anxiety and bedwetting and is generally avoided by other

> children. She has excessive slow wave activity everywhere (Delta,

> theta and alpha) and left to right reversal in both alpha and

beta

> frequencies. In addition I have observed that she has bursts of

very

> high amplitude activity in highbeta (20-30) and gamma (30-40hz)

over

> the sensorimotor cortex, especially at C4 and sometimes at F4.

She

> does not have high coherence in these frequencies. The bursts can

> last from a fraction of a second up to 2 seconds and there is no

> corresponding behaviour or any other difference to be observed in

the

> girl during the burst (other than puzzlement at the feedback

suddenly

> going haywire). The EEG looks like a scribble during the bursts.

I

> have tried training down slow waves over the sensorimotor cortex

and

> left frontal and parietal lobe, and I've tried low beta up and

high

> beta down at C4. The anxiety improved somewhat, but otherwise the

> parents say they see no difference following training. Does

anyone

> have any clever ideas about the phenomenon of the bursts and

> treatment alternatives. I would much appreciate it.

>

> Eva

>

> Dr. Eva sen

> Clinical Psychologist

>

October 10, 2004

The title is "Doing Neurofeedback", a 100 pages brochure.

U. Gerlach, Germany

October 10, 2004

May I just jump into this discussion and ask: What is the title of the book Soutar has written? I'm very curious.

Hans Kobler

Dr.Hans Kobler

Fachpsychologe für Psychotherapie FSP

Limmatstr. 184

8005 Zürich

Switzerland

Kathy Abbott <kathyabbott@...> wrote:

Light-sound machines are used with neurofeedback. I don't know that itmatters which machine. Soutar talks about using AVE in hisshort but very useful book, Doing Neurofeedback. I use it with someclients. Please feel free to call me at (773) 807-0936.Kathy Abbott, Psy. D.Chicago Re: Bursts of high beta and gammaDear and Mark,Thank you for helpful suggestions. I initially considered the hypothesis of epileptiform activity and asked for any history of seizures or unusual sensations/behaviours/absences etc. Interestingly the girl answered that she has had an episode

of uncontrollable shaking following very severe punishment by her father, but the parents had not seen any evidence of epileptic activity. The unusual bursts of high frequency activity has happened several times, always on the right side of the head. I have checked that the girl is actually present when it happens by asking her if she feels any different as it happens or if she is tightening her jaw etc. She hears me and answers the question by "No, I don't feel any different, and no, I am not tightening any muscles or doing anything different." I have observed high frequency activity from muscle tension in other patients, but this looks much less dramatic than the bursts I am talking about here. Regardless of whether this is muscle tension on the head or epileptiform activity, Mark's suggested treatment protocol sounds reasonable. The only thing I was concerned about is whether training up lowbeta could slow down her brainwave

activity even more, as high amplitude theta and delta waves is the predominant pattern apart from the high amplitude high beta and gamma bursts. She does not have excessive high frequency activity in the temporal lobes, but she does have little power in lowbeta in most places. (, I used the Brainmaster - 2 channel recording.)Eva-- In , " Daly" wrote:> Dear Eva,> In response to your inquiry and the description of the EEG waves, I might speculate that you could be looking at an epileptiform type discharge. I dont know what equipment you are using or how many channels your are recording, but if this pattern (as described)were seen on a routine clinical EEG recording there is the possibility that it could be among other things an absence (petit mal) type issue or one of the variants. Again, I am making this speculation (not a diagnosis) solely based on

your description of the EEG and the accompanying symptom complex. This of course could be confirmed from a consultation with a neurologist and the administration of a clinical EEG. I would be interested to hear how this case turns out.> > Regards> > M. Daly Ph.D., C, Psych.> Bursts of high beta and gamma> > > > I am currently treating a 12-year-old girl with Attention Deficit > Disorder and extreme oppositional behaviours. She also has problems > with anxiety and bedwetting and is generally avoided by other > children. She has excessive slow wave activity everywhere (Delta, > theta and alpha) and left to right reversal in both alpha and beta > frequencies. In addition I have

observed that she has bursts of very > high amplitude activity in highbeta (20-30) and gamma (30-40hz) over > the sensorimotor cortex, especially at C4 and sometimes at F4. She > does not have high coherence in these frequencies. The bursts can > last from a fraction of a second up to 2 seconds and there is no > corresponding behaviour or any other difference to be observed in the > girl during the burst (other than puzzlement at the feedback suddenly > going haywire). The EEG looks like a scribble during the bursts. I > have tried training down slow waves over the sensorimotor cortex and > left frontal and parietal lobe, and I've tried low beta up and high > beta down at C4. The anxiety improved somewhat, but otherwise the > parents say they see no difference following training. Does anyone > have any clever ideas about the phenomenon of the bursts and >

treatment alternatives. I would much appreciate it.> > Eva> > Dr. Eva sen> Clinical Psychologist > > > > >

February 11, 2005

Dear Lynne,

Are you saying this group is not moderated?

It seems that your new group from reading the description is not any

different

from this one but has 8 members?

Peace,

In a message dated 2/11/2005 1:06:56 PM Central Standard Time,

spinaldisorderssupport writes:

Message: 11

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:39:55 -0000

From: " Lynne " <lfetterman65@...>

Subject: New Spinal Disorders Support group, with moderator

Hi all-

Due to recent changes in this group, a new group has been set up for

Spinal Disorders Support that will be moderated. We would like to

invite everyone who would like to continue seeking help and support

with Spinal issues to join us there. The new site will be focused

specifically on helping people find ways to deal with thier condition,

and will be apolitical. I think this group provides an important

resource for those of us who are dealing with chronic pain, and so I

hope to see it continued in the new location. I you would like me to

send you an invite so you don't need to visit the group page, please

just send me an email.

SDSM/

Lynne

Hallenbeck~Sikorsky~ BS,RN,UM,QC

Owner-Moderator

" AnGeLsInPain "

" OneVoiceInPain "

Interqual Certified

Published Psychiatric Researcher

Advocate for those in CIP, HIV, Psychologic Pain

" The Lord Will NEVER push us beyond what we can endure. "

February 11, 2005