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Bummer. It is a reversible condition?

At 01:47 PM 06/19/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi All-

>

>Just got back from the endo today. All my thyroid levels except TSH are

fine (I'm on 4 gr/240mg of Armour).

Shen

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Hi -

PCOS isn't reversible as far as I know.

I wish you lived in the Fresno area. It's so hard to find a decent endo for

thyroid disease. Where do you live?

Take care,

Shen wrote:

> :

>

> Bummer. It is a reversible condition?

>

> At 01:47 PM 06/19/2000 -0700, you wrote:

> >Hi All-

> >

> >Just got back from the endo today. All my thyroid levels except TSH are

> fine (I'm on 4 gr/240mg of Armour).

>

> Shen

> Holy Macro!

>

>

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I have one more endo to try, and if that does not work out, I'll be sorely

tempted to fly up and see your wonderful endo. I'm here in Venice, CA.

Do you think Dr. Arem refers out?

At 06:38 PM 06/19/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi -

>

>PCOS isn't reversible as far as I know.

>

>I wish you lived in the Fresno area. It's so hard to find a decent endo

for thyroid disease. Where do you live?

>

>Take care,

>

>

>

> Shen wrote:

>

>> :

>>

>> Bummer. It is a reversible condition?

>>

>> At 01:47 PM 06/19/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>> >Hi All-

>> >

>> >Just got back from the endo today. All my thyroid levels except TSH are

>> fine (I'm on 4 gr/240mg of Armour).

>>

>> Shen

>> Holy Macro!

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Find out your risk for Diabetes and win one of 40 cash prizes.

>> For every test taken, we'll donate a $1 for research.

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>>

>> -------------------------------------

>> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

>> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>> ----------------------------------------

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Hi -

I don't know if Arem refers out but I was ready to fly to Texas to see him.

Then I found my endo.

Did you get that private email I sent you? My computer froze up so I'm not sure

it went out.

Take care,

Shen wrote:

> :

>

> I have one more endo to try, and if that does not work out, I'll be sorely

> tempted to fly up and see your wonderful endo. I'm here in Venice, CA.

>

> Do you think Dr. Arem refers out?

>

> At 06:38 PM 06/19/2000 -0700, you wrote:

> >Hi -

> >

> >PCOS isn't reversible as far as I know.

> >

> >I wish you lived in the Fresno area. It's so hard to find a decent endo

> for thyroid disease. Where do you live?

> >

> >Take care,

> >

> >

> >

> > Shen wrote:

> >

> >> :

> >>

> >> Bummer. It is a reversible condition?

> >>

> >> At 01:47 PM 06/19/2000 -0700, you wrote:

> >> >Hi All-

> >> >

> >> >Just got back from the endo today. All my thyroid levels except TSH are

> >> fine (I'm on 4 gr/240mg of Armour).

> >>

> >> Shen

> >> Holy Macro!

> >>

> >>

> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >> Find out your risk for Diabetes and win one of 40 cash prizes.

> >> For every test taken, we'll donate a $1 for research.

> >> http://click./1/5600/5/_/585824/_/961460353/

> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >>

> >> -------------------------------------

> >> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> >> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> >> ----------------------------------------

> >

> >

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> intended to replace expert medical care.

> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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> >

> >

>

> Shen

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Hi -

Yes! Glucophage is used for treating diabetes. I guess they discovered that it

worked for infertility in PCOS by

accident. If I remember right, an infertile diabetic patient with PCOS was put

on it. She then got pregnant. So

they went ahead and tried it with PCOS patients without diabetes and it worked.

They don't know why. And the

babies are born healthy.

Anyhow, my endo told me that I'd probably be getting a whole bunch of literature

from my insurance company about

diabetes since I'm taking a diabetes drug. That's OK. There are several

members of my extended family that have

diabetes so it won't go to waste. And, who knows, I may need the info too

someday.

Take care,

Hearn wrote:

> Hi , are you sure he put you on Glucophage. I thought that is a

> biguanide and used for treating diabetics. Did he say anything about why

> he is using this?

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Hi -

Yes! Glucophage is used for treating diabetes. I guess they discovered that it

worked for infertility in PCOS by

accident. If I remember right, an infertile diabetic patient with PCOS was put

on it. She then got pregnant. So

they went ahead and tried it with PCOS patients without diabetes and it worked.

They don't know why. And the

babies are born healthy.

Anyhow, my endo told me that I'd probably be getting a whole bunch of literature

from my insurance company about

diabetes since I'm taking a diabetes drug. That's OK. There are several

members of my extended family that have

diabetes so it won't go to waste. And, who knows, I may need the info too

someday.

Take care,

Hearn wrote:

> Hi , are you sure he put you on Glucophage. I thought that is a

> biguanide and used for treating diabetics. Did he say anything about why

> he is using this?

>

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intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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Hi , are you sure he put you on Glucophage. I thought that is a

biguanide and used for treating diabetics. Did he say anything about why

he is using this?

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Hi , are you sure he put you on Glucophage. I thought that is a

biguanide and used for treating diabetics. Did he say anything about why

he is using this?

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Just wanted to add that what the endo did notice was that I don't ovulate. In

normally functioning women, there's a

temperature spike when they ovulate. That doesn't happen with me. I have a

pretty steady temperature for the first

part of my cycle and then I have vague ups and downs for the rest. And I can't

get pregnant.

My doctor had me take another blood test today and I'll have another one next

time I have an appt. after I've been on

the Glucophage for a couple of months.

Although he still is concerned about whether I'm in the normal range or not he

mostly concentrates on the changes he

sees in my lab levels and how I'm doing overall.

Take care,

Utecht wrote:

> Hi All-

>

> Just got back from the endo today. All my thyroid levels except TSH are fine

(I'm on 4 gr/240mg of Armour).

> However, he just diagnosed me with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) which at

least partly accounts for my

> infertility. PCOS is often associated (oddly enough) with hypothyroidism.

The most interesting thing is that all

> my sex hormone levels are normal. So he didn't use lab tests at all to

diagnose me. Kind of sounds familiar.

>

> Anyways, he's put me on Glucophage and will reevaluate me in 3 months. I sure

hope it works. Wish me luck.

>

> Take care,

>

> Utecht

>

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Just wanted to add that what the endo did notice was that I don't ovulate. In

normally functioning women, there's a

temperature spike when they ovulate. That doesn't happen with me. I have a

pretty steady temperature for the first

part of my cycle and then I have vague ups and downs for the rest. And I can't

get pregnant.

My doctor had me take another blood test today and I'll have another one next

time I have an appt. after I've been on

the Glucophage for a couple of months.

Although he still is concerned about whether I'm in the normal range or not he

mostly concentrates on the changes he

sees in my lab levels and how I'm doing overall.

Take care,

Utecht wrote:

> Hi All-

>

> Just got back from the endo today. All my thyroid levels except TSH are fine

(I'm on 4 gr/240mg of Armour).

> However, he just diagnosed me with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) which at

least partly accounts for my

> infertility. PCOS is often associated (oddly enough) with hypothyroidism.

The most interesting thing is that all

> my sex hormone levels are normal. So he didn't use lab tests at all to

diagnose me. Kind of sounds familiar.

>

> Anyways, he's put me on Glucophage and will reevaluate me in 3 months. I sure

hope it works. Wish me luck.

>

> Take care,

>

> Utecht

>

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> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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- about your PCOS? Did it surprise you because you're hyper rather

that hypo? How did they make the diagnosis? A few months ago several

articles on PCOS appeared in some mainstream women's magazines and until

I realized how much weight I'd lost and had a low TSH I figured that I

was a candidate for several reasons. That first TSH testing also turned

up a high glucose; a fasting test a few days later turned out normal. So

I guess not.

Good luck with it and take care,

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My sil has PCOS also - and it contributed to her having identical twins!

Just thought I'd share.

Ann

Will it never end?

> Hi All-

>

> Just got back from the endo today. All my thyroid levels except TSH are

fine (I'm on 4 gr/240mg of Armour).

> However, he just diagnosed me with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS)

which at least partly accounts for my

> infertility. PCOS is often associated (oddly enough) with hypothyroidism.

The most interesting thing is that all

> my sex hormone levels are normal. So he didn't use lab tests at all to

diagnose me. Kind of sounds familiar.

>

> Anyways, he's put me on Glucophage and will reevaluate me in 3 months. I

sure hope it works. Wish me luck.

>

> Take care,

>

> Utecht

>

>

>

>

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> Win the airfare, a suite at Bellagio and $15,000. Or win 2 roundtrip

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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> -------------------------------------

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> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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Hi Fay-

I have no thyroid gland. I was diagnosed with Graves' in 1987 and had RAI soon

after. My thyroid was completely

dead 6 years later even though that wasn't supposed to happen. There are many

theories about why that happens

regularly post-RAI with patients. I don't think it makes sense to blame it on

the Graves' disease process when there

are post-surgery and long-term ATD patients that still have some thyroid

function whereas the longest post-RAI

patient (that I've heard of) had a little function 12 years post-RAI (that was

the only one after 10 years that I've

heard of). Sorry about that painful run-on sentence.

Anyways, I was kept hypothyroid for many years by my doctors and it wasn't until

the last year that it was

discovered. So I fall into the normal category of hypothyroid patients at risk

for PCOS.

He made the diagnosis based mostly on my clinical symptoms. My testosterone

levels were a little on the high side

but were still well within normal. Progesterone levels were low-normal. I've

had a problem with acne post-RAI

which is also a symptom and he's been having me take my temperature before I get

out of bed in the morning and since

it's pretty flat (no spike) and I can't get pregnant, he diagnosed me with PCOS.

Take care,

F Young wrote:

> - about your PCOS? Did it surprise you because you're hyper rather

> that hypo? How did they make the diagnosis? A few months ago several

> articles on PCOS appeared in some mainstream women's magazines and until

> I realized how much weight I'd lost and had a low TSH I figured that I

> was a candidate for several reasons. That first TSH testing also turned

> up a high glucose; a fasting test a few days later turned out normal. So

> I guess not.

>

> Good luck with it and take care,

> Fay Young

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Hi Ann-

Thankyou. I do have a beautiful boy that I was able to have after I took

fertility drugs 4 1/2 years ago. So I've

got lots of hope.

Sometimes I just get mad because I've had all these problems all these years

and, until recently, I couldn't get

anyone to help me. The doctors were very quick to give me RAI but when I

started having problems afterwards they'd

blow me off. I've got lots of baggage there.

Take care,

" Ann McCrea, RN " wrote:

> ,

> My sil has PCOS also - and it contributed to her having identical twins!

> Just thought I'd share.

>

> Ann

>

> Will it never end?

>

> > Hi All-

> >

> > Just got back from the endo today. All my thyroid levels except TSH are

> fine (I'm on 4 gr/240mg of Armour).

> > However, he just diagnosed me with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS)

> which at least partly accounts for my

> > infertility. PCOS is often associated (oddly enough) with hypothyroidism.

> The most interesting thing is that all

> > my sex hormone levels are normal. So he didn't use lab tests at all to

> diagnose me. Kind of sounds familiar.

> >

> > Anyways, he's put me on Glucophage and will reevaluate me in 3 months. I

> sure hope it works. Wish me luck.

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> > Utecht

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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> >

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Oh ,

You've been blessed with one child, how wonderful! I have never dealt with

infertility, so cannot relate there, but can definitely relate to being

blown off by doctors!

I know now, after being diagnosed with Graves in April, that I have had this

disease for nearly 4 years. And in that time, I was told by 1 doctor

" theres nothing I can do for you " , and another " there's nothing physically

wrong with you " . Finally by my third doc, was told " being a mom of young

kids is quite stressful...we call it stressed out Mommy syndrome " ....I

bought into this theory, as that is definitely what I felt like! So I went

to counseling - and REFUSED anti-depressant meds, not because I don't

believe in them, but I could not be convinced that my depression was my

primary problem. That was in 1996, and now in 2000 I know it wasn't. Im

certain I was in the beginning stages of Graves. Now, after 2 months of

treatment for Graves, I am realizing that I'm not a stressed out Mommy, that

I am enjoying my children immensely (and they me, as I am no longer having

bouts of RAGE), and that all those doctors were wrong.

I am a nurse, and one of the things I enjoy most is helping people stand up

for their own health & rights in the medical process. To not just take an

answer from a doctor and live with it, but to be sure that whatever you hear

and decide to follow is the correct course for you. For 4 years I kept

saying " somethings just not right " , and finally I am right! I never gave

up, and I never gave in.

Sorry, got off on a bit of a tangent, but you can see I'm passionate about

this subject!

Ann

Will it never end?

> >

> > > Hi All-

> > >

> > > Just got back from the endo today. All my thyroid levels except TSH

are

> > fine (I'm on 4 gr/240mg of Armour).

> > > However, he just diagnosed me with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS)

> > which at least partly accounts for my

> > > infertility. PCOS is often associated (oddly enough) with

hypothyroidism.

> > The most interesting thing is that all

> > > my sex hormone levels are normal. So he didn't use lab tests at all

to

> > diagnose me. Kind of sounds familiar.

> > >

> > > Anyways, he's put me on Glucophage and will reevaluate me in 3 months.

I

> > sure hope it works. Wish me luck.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > >

> > > Utecht

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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> > > Win the airfare, a suite at Bellagio and $15,000. Or win 2 roundtrip

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win.

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> >

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > >

> > > -------------------------------------

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not

> > intended to replace expert medical care.

> > > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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> > >

> > >

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Hi Ann-

I thought the exhaustion was because I was overworked too. I'd blame it on

whatever I was doing. I always had

something going on. When I was getting my bachelor's it was papers, mid-terms

and finals. When I was doing my

master's, it was teaching, presentations and my thesis. I was mid-way through

that and had a baby so I thought that

" Of course, I'm exhausted. I'm plodding through this master's while I have a

baby and am breastfeeding him. That

has to be it! " You can imagine my horror when I finished my master's, had

stopped breastfeeding and the exhaustion

got gradually worse (some would probably even say that I was depressed that I

wasn't so busy-but I can't tell you

how relieved I was that it was done-I just wanted to get out of there and be a

Mommy).

I no longer trust much that's supposed to be medically concrete anymore because

I was told for years that the

tiredness didn't have anything to do with my thyroid levels. Once I found an

endo that checked nonstandard tests

and took my clinical symptoms into account, he proved that it was a problem.

They're so adamant about referring to lab tests only nowadays. I wish it'd be

like the days when they'd listen to

patients and take clinical symptoms into account. And use lab tests in

conjunction with these other methods of

diagnosis. There are many flaws in referring to lab tests as the only means of

diagnosis.

I hope you're doing pretty well now and that you have a doctor that listens to

you. It's no fun to have to slog

through the doctors that don't, muddle through and then be lucky enough to find

one that does his/her best to get

you well.

Take care,

" Ann McCrea, RN " wrote:

> Oh ,

> You've been blessed with one child, how wonderful! I have never dealt with

> infertility, so cannot relate there, but can definitely relate to being

> blown off by doctors!

>

> I know now, after being diagnosed with Graves in April, that I have had this

> disease for nearly 4 years. And in that time, I was told by 1 doctor

> " theres nothing I can do for you " , and another " there's nothing physically

> wrong with you " . Finally by my third doc, was told " being a mom of young

> kids is quite stressful...we call it stressed out Mommy syndrome " ....I

> bought into this theory, as that is definitely what I felt like! So I went

> to counseling - and REFUSED anti-depressant meds, not because I don't

> believe in them, but I could not be convinced that my depression was my

> primary problem. That was in 1996, and now in 2000 I know it wasn't. Im

> certain I was in the beginning stages of Graves. Now, after 2 months of

> treatment for Graves, I am realizing that I'm not a stressed out Mommy, that

> I am enjoying my children immensely (and they me, as I am no longer having

> bouts of RAGE), and that all those doctors were wrong.

>

> I am a nurse, and one of the things I enjoy most is helping people stand up

> for their own health & rights in the medical process. To not just take an

> answer from a doctor and live with it, but to be sure that whatever you hear

> and decide to follow is the correct course for you. For 4 years I kept

> saying " somethings just not right " , and finally I am right! I never gave

> up, and I never gave in.

>

> Sorry, got off on a bit of a tangent, but you can see I'm passionate about

> this subject!

>

> Ann

>

> Will it never end?

> > >

> > > > Hi All-

> > > >

> > > > Just got back from the endo today. All my thyroid levels except TSH

> are

> > > fine (I'm on 4 gr/240mg of Armour).

> > > > However, he just diagnosed me with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS)

> > > which at least partly accounts for my

> > > > infertility. PCOS is often associated (oddly enough) with

> hypothyroidism.

> > > The most interesting thing is that all

> > > > my sex hormone levels are normal. So he didn't use lab tests at all

> to

> > > diagnose me. Kind of sounds familiar.

> > > >

> > > > Anyways, he's put me on Glucophage and will reevaluate me in 3 months.

> I

> > > sure hope it works. Wish me luck.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > >

> > > > Utecht

> > > >

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Hi ,

Yes, thankfully I have found an Endo who, although he's a bit lacking in the

warm-fuzzy-personality department, he does listen to me - prescribes

according to how I feel (not just numbers) - and seems to honestly want to

help me.

I'm actually seeing my regular doc next week for my annual *stuff*, and I

cannot wait to give him an earful about all this. The great thing is, in

spite of telling me this was a Mommy syndrome, he is a great doctor. My

husband has been in recently several times (auto accident), and each time

our doc is more interested in how I'm doing than whats going on with dh! I

think he's feeling bad that he missed Graves with me, and I plan to let him

feel bad for quite some time :-).

Thanks,

Ann

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> > > >

> > > > > Hi All-

> > > > >

> > > > > Just got back from the endo today. All my thyroid levels except

TSH

> > are

> > > > fine (I'm on 4 gr/240mg of Armour).

> > > > > However, he just diagnosed me with polycystic ovarian syndrome

(PCOS)

> > > > which at least partly accounts for my

> > > > > infertility. PCOS is often associated (oddly enough) with

> > hypothyroidism.

> > > > The most interesting thing is that all

> > > > > my sex hormone levels are normal. So he didn't use lab tests at

all

> > to

> > > > diagnose me. Kind of sounds familiar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyways, he's put me on Glucophage and will reevaluate me in 3

months.

> > I

> > > > sure hope it works. Wish me luck.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > >

> > > > > Utecht

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>They're so adamant about referring to lab tests only nowadays.

I'm a bad patient. I truly am. My doc insists my lab results are within

normal range (which I'm sure they are!), however, I still have the racing

heart from time to time, so I tell her that often (sometimes overplaying it,

I'm afraid....), and insist on more blood tests. I want blood tests every

month until this thing is well and truly gone.

She *finally* got around to having the lab copy (for free!) my blood test

results. Got them in the mail a couple of days ago. From what I can tell,

it's looking pretty stable, that Free T4 number. It's been at the same

normal range the last three tests. Perhaps I can ease up my assault on the

bloodwork.

Happy Friday, btw, everyone.

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Kari:

Is your TSH normal also?

At 08:22 AM 06/23/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>>They're so adamant about referring to lab tests only nowadays.

>

>I'm a bad patient. I truly am. My doc insists my lab results are within

>normal range (which I'm sure they are!), however, I still have the racing

>heart from time to time, so I tell her that often (sometimes overplaying it,

>I'm afraid....), and insist on more blood tests. I want blood tests every

>month until this thing is well and truly gone.

>

>She *finally* got around to having the lab copy (for free!) my blood test

>results. Got them in the mail a couple of days ago. From what I can tell,

>it's looking pretty stable, that Free T4 number. It's been at the same

>normal range the last three tests. Perhaps I can ease up my assault on the

>bloodwork.

>

>Happy Friday, btw, everyone.

>

>Kari

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Not sure. There was one number still in the " out of range " section, but i

didn't recognize the name of it. The papers are at home...I'll have a look

tonight.

Kari

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Kari:

Is your TSH normal also?

At 08:22 AM 06/23/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>>They're so adamant about referring to lab tests only nowadays.

>

>I'm a bad patient. I truly am. My doc insists my lab results are within

>normal range (which I'm sure they are!), however, I still have the racing

>heart from time to time, so I tell her that often (sometimes overplaying

it,

>I'm afraid....), and insist on more blood tests. I want blood tests every

>month until this thing is well and truly gone.

>

>She *finally* got around to having the lab copy (for free!) my blood test

>results. Got them in the mail a couple of days ago. From what I can tell,

>it's looking pretty stable, that Free T4 number. It's been at the same

>normal range the last three tests. Perhaps I can ease up my assault on the

>bloodwork.

>

>Happy Friday, btw, everyone.

>

>Kari

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Hi Gang, some one somewhere decided that a certain range of numbers is

the normal range for the thyroid. However, many of us do not feel well

with thin that range.

Some doctors rely absolutely on those numbers for diagnosis and the

state of our health. The wiser ones know that some of us feel terrible

within that range and treat us accordingly.

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