Re: Has anyone tried this?

[Guest guest]

Hi:

I haven't had that procedure, but I looked at the website out of

curiosity. This is just my opinion. First cold laser therapy

doesn't stimulate blood flow. Cold clamps down vessels, thereby

decreasing blood flow. And in his Q & A section, he states he uses

a " form of growth hormone " for an off-label use. That right there

scared me. As for insurance coverage, he said " Don't hold your

breath " . Again, I say this is my opinion. I've been a nurse for 10

years and this guy has flags flying up everywhere. Be careful.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Darlene and Live. I might have to try this.

> >

> > glucosamine liquid for joint pain , arthritis and autoimmune

diseases

> > 95% (GAG's) and 5% protien

> > http://www.bioflex.co.uk/liquid.php

> >

> > thought some might be interested in this. noticed (GAG) above is

also

> > mentioned as cause of AS below (GAG) effect.

> > DDD

> > http://www.emedicine.com/orthoped/topic480.htm

> > a form of Degenerative Disk Disease (ANKYLOSING SPONDYLITIS)

> > spinal infection, inflamation, ,arthritis of the joints, spinal

> > arthritis,involves TNF, spinal fusion. bacteria

> > <http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2700.htm>

> > 1977 Calin Porta classified AS as a inflamatory spinal disease.

(see

> > references)

> > AS classified as a autoimmune disease

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankylosing_spondylitis>

> > DEBATE ON AS ( in here is references to IGA and IgG, and

reference to

> > (GAG) below)

> > <http://www.risg.org/infosupp/research/medical_lit/curr_lit/9-3-

> > 99.htm>

> > the (GAG) effect GLYCOAMINOGLYCAN DEFICIENCY

> > <http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/10465666?

src=emed_ckb_ref_0>

> > hla negative

> > <http://www.jrheum.com/subscribers/01/06/1203.html>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

All, I totally agree, always seek doctors advice before taking any

medications for your conditions. Darlene

>

> FYI, ALL......I KNOW , TOO, THAT GLUCOSAMINE CHONDROITIN HELPS MANY

PATIENTS FOR JOINT PAIN. BUT BE AWARE: IF YOU OR A LOVED ONE HAS BAD

JOINT PAIN & THAT PERSON HAS BEEN ON STEROIDS, PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE SEE A

DOCTOR FIRST. THERE'S A CONDITION CALLED AVN, WHICH STANDS FOR

AVASCULAR NECROSIS, CAUSED BY STEROIDAL USE...... & THAT NEEDS TO BE

ADDRESSED & TREATED PRONTO!! AND NOT BY GLUCOSAMINE.

>

> TAKE CARE, ALL.

> VICTORIA

>

> [] has anyone tried this?

>

>

> glucosamine liquid for joint pain , arthritis and autoimmune diseases

> 95% (GAG's) and 5% protien

> http://www.bioflex.co.uk/liquid.php

>

> thought some might be interested in this. noticed (GAG) above is also

> mentioned as cause of AS below (GAG) effect.

> DDD

> http://www.emedicine.com/orthoped/topic480.htm

> a form of Degenerative Disk Disease (ANKYLOSING SPONDYLITIS)

> spinal infection, inflamation, ,arthritis of the joints, spinal

> arthritis,involves TNF, spinal fusion. bacteria

> <http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2700.htm>

> 1977 Calin Porta classified AS as a inflamatory spinal disease.(see

> references)

> AS classified as a autoimmune disease

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankylosing_spondylitis>

> DEBATE ON AS ( in here is references to IGA and IgG, and reference to

> (GAG) below)

> <http://www.risg.org/infosupp/research/medical_lit/curr_lit/9-3-

> 99.htm>

> the (GAG) effect GLYCOAMINOGLYCAN DEFICIENCY

> <http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/10465666?src=emed_ckb_ref_0>

> hla negative

> <http://www.jrheum.com/subscribers/01/06/1203.html>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , I wonder, if a person already has vascular problems

and spinal fungal infections from mold exposure and a doctor is

misdiagnoseing thier condition as back injury from something else and

has them go through a series of steriod injections in the lower back

and the first one causes so much pain with just inserting the needle

that the doctor refuses to do the other two because he's never seen

anyone have that kind of pain with this procedure. would one shot

cause any prolonged effects besides about 4 days of hurting all over

and bad headacke? like could it somehow affect them several months

later? or would it be out of thier system by than? it's becomeing

pretty clear to me that mold exposure basically sucks the water from

our joints, tissues ect. and can cause brittle bones along with

everything else. I have to wonder who many of those arachnoid

syndrome patients were moldies and misdiagnosed and given steriod

shots. gee the pain they would have gone through. my grandson that

got so ill at my second home and had bald spots all over his head has

very brittle bones now, he has had a broken arm and leg just from

trying to keep up with the other boys, playing.and thats not the only

effects he suffered from that hell hole. grrr I can't even think

about it without getting so mad that I want to hurt someone.

>

> FYI, ALL......I KNOW , TOO, THAT GLUCOSAMINE CHONDROITIN HELPS MANY

PATIENTS FOR JOINT PAIN. BUT BE AWARE: IF YOU OR A LOVED ONE HAS

BAD JOINT PAIN & THAT PERSON HAS BEEN ON STEROIDS, PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE

SEE A DOCTOR FIRST. THERE'S A CONDITION CALLED AVN, WHICH STANDS FOR

AVASCULAR NECROSIS, CAUSED BY STEROIDAL USE...... & THAT NEEDS TO BE

ADDRESSED & TREATED PRONTO!! AND NOT BY GLUCOSAMINE.

>

> TAKE CARE, ALL.

> VICTORIA

>

> [] has anyone tried this?

>

>

> glucosamine liquid for joint pain , arthritis and autoimmune

diseases

> 95% (GAG's) and 5% protien

> http://www.bioflex.co.uk/liquid.php

>

> thought some might be interested in this. noticed (GAG) above is

also

> mentioned as cause of AS below (GAG) effect.

> DDD

> http://www.emedicine.com/orthoped/topic480.htm

> a form of Degenerative Disk Disease (ANKYLOSING SPONDYLITIS)

> spinal infection, inflamation, ,arthritis of the joints, spinal

> arthritis,involves TNF, spinal fusion. bacteria

> <http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2700.htm>

> 1977 Calin Porta classified AS as a inflamatory spinal disease.

(see

> references)

> AS classified as a autoimmune disease

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankylosing_spondylitis>

> DEBATE ON AS ( in here is references to IGA and IgG, and

reference to

> (GAG) below)

> <http://www.risg.org/infosupp/research/medical_lit/curr_lit/9-3-

> 99.htm>

> the (GAG) effect GLYCOAMINOGLYCAN DEFICIENCY

> <http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/10465666?

src=emed_ckb_ref_0>

> hla negative

> <http://www.jrheum.com/subscribers/01/06/1203.html>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Another thing that I think is important to mention is that the joint

pains were a constant- things that reduced inflammation just reduced

the perceived level of pain at that time, but as the mold git worse

the pain got worse again.. and at times it was crippling.. I had to

use a stick to support myself when I wanted to walk and I had to

launch myself around the room and grab on to things to prevent myself

from collapsing on the ground in pain..

For years I didn't realize that the mold was what was making me ill. I

just knew that I was sick in a million different ways.

[Guest guest]

I think the reduction in all my symptoms came from not only getting

out of the moldy homes but finding a place to live as mold free as

possable and learning to practice avoidance. now they reaccure with

many irratants because of mcs. yes, I took those things about 6

months after I got out and I do think they helped me detox some and

NAC may of helped with me caughing up tons of mucus and fungal balls

and gained most of my lung compacity back, can't say for sure. but

the damage was done. I got to the point where I couldn't take any of

these things without throwing them back up. I think to much of many

things is just not good.

>

> For me, I think the first real, lasting reduction in my joint pain

came when

> I started taking NAC, alpha-lipoic acid and acetyl-l-carnitine

along with

> fish oil to try to reduce the inflammation. The glucosamine (I

never took

> chondroitin) was not a clear enough change for me to say that it was

> helping..

>

> At that point I didn't really know what was causing all my health

issues,

> just that something was and so I went looking for things that had

broad

> anti-toxicant effects that had no negatives associated with them..

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This comment caught my eye. Mold exposure can cause gluten

intolerance per Dr. Shoemaker. It is an autoimmune disorder and can

basically cause malnutrition. Nutrients are not absorbed and one can

be deficient in vitamins and minerals including calcium. Pain and any

other result of malnourishment can be the result. This is from

personal experiencce.

-

" and had bald spots all over his head has very brittle bones now, he

has had a broken arm and leg just from trying to keep up with the

other

boys, "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dr Fine’s research shows that approx 29% of people are gluten intolerant. This

is almost one in three. Celiac disease is an advanced form of gluten intolerance

when damage to the villi has occurred. Dr Fine says it is important to catch

gluten intolerance before it reaches the stage where damage has occurred. In

terms of the mechanism causing gluten intolerance and celiac disease there is no

difference. It is caused by the presence of anti-gliadin antibodies, which are

auto immune antibodies that can be formed by those who are genetically

determined to do so. A low MSH would appear to be one of the means which can

trigger the formation of these antibodies. HLA-DQ2 and/or HLA-DQ8 are genetic

markers for both stages of gluten intolerance and as such both stages are an

inherited autoimmune condition. The transcript of this talk by Dr Fine shows

that they are the same.

HYPERLINK

" https://www.enterolab.com/StaticPages/EarlyDiagnosis.htm " https://www.enterolab.

com/StaticPages/EarlyDiagnosis.htm

I would still like to know if MCS that has been caused by VOC’s can be a trigger

for gluten intolerance. I have also wondered if those who are susceptible to

gluten intolerance and celiac disease may be more susceptible to developing MCS.

It has been shown that there is a genetic susceptibility to MCS.

>My understanding of Dr. Shoemaker's research is that he distinguishes

between gluten intolerance and celiac disease, which does have a

genetic origin.

>

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