Stress and RA

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Hello to all! I've just joined the group, so before my reply, here's a short

bit about me.

I live in Wales, and have had Ankylosing Spondylitis for just over 4 years. I

have for most of this time been on and off NSAIDs, but am currently (last 4

months, following a major flare-up) following a starch-free diet which has

enabled me to drop off the tablets altogether, although the pain is not

completely gone. I'm now trying dropping disaccharide sugars too (since about

a week ago); I'll let you know if it works!

Now to my point:

Dean wrote:

>although my Rheumatic Doctor poo poo's the notion. She says it was disproven

>years ago that yeast / candida has anything to do with RA.

I've done quite a lot of my own research in this area, but (despite where I

work) I am no microbiologist. However, it seems from what I read that the

Candida can cause a weakening of the gut wall and make it more permeable. The

antibiotics will have killed off all bacteria good and bad. When they were

withdrawn, your gut was likely colonised by bad bacteria, one of which is the

cause of your symptoms. Whereas before the Candida problem, this bacteria may

(or may not) have been present, it could not pass through the gut lining; now

it can.

Once the wrong side of the gut wall, it provokes an autoimmune response in

your body.

Have you tried any particular diet, or fasting? With the cause of your pain

being a gut problem, this is most likely to help.

Regards,

--

.Shaw@...

Institute of Biological Sciences, University of Wales,

Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, Wales

http://pcjagg.dbs.aber.ac.uk/index.html

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Hello and Welcome . You will find a lot of thoughtful, nice people in

this group. We have some good friends in the British Midlands

( Liechester ). The only diet changes I have made and religiously followed

is no sugar and refined flour products. I haven't worked up the courage to

try the strict regimens that some have undertaken. If you follow the

suggested no starches, no protein, no sweets, etc., you are left with water

and cardboard for the fare de jour - and not too much cardboard ! I had a

good discussion with a man who had the same AS diagnosis as you, and he said

that vitamin C with bioflavenoids helped him a lot. His disease has

progressed to the point where a lot of his spine is fused already, but he

has no more pain and can function pretty normally - claims he can even run

and jump with no problems. Thanks for your information about the leaky gut

this has come up recently from others in the group and sure seems to have

some supporting research........Regards and best to you, Dean.

Re: rheumatic Stress and RA

> Hello to all! I've just joined the group, so before my reply, here's a

short

> bit about me.

>

> I live in Wales, and have had Ankylosing Spondylitis for just over 4

years. I

> have for most of this time been on and off NSAIDs, but am currently (last

4

> months, following a major flare-up) following a starch-free diet which has

> enabled me to drop off the tablets altogether, although the pain is not

> completely gone. I'm now trying dropping disaccharide sugars too (since

about

> a week ago); I'll let you know if it works!

>

> Now to my point:

>

> Dean wrote:

>

> >although my Rheumatic Doctor poo poo's the notion. She says it was

disproven

> >years ago that yeast / candida has anything to do with RA.

>

> I've done quite a lot of my own research in this area, but (despite where

I

> work) I am no microbiologist. However, it seems from what I read that the

> Candida can cause a weakening of the gut wall and make it more permeable.

The

> antibiotics will have killed off all bacteria good and bad. When they were

> withdrawn, your gut was likely colonised by bad bacteria, one of which is

the

> cause of your symptoms. Whereas before the Candida problem, this bacteria

may

> (or may not) have been present, it could not pass through the gut lining;

now

> it can.

>

> Once the wrong side of the gut wall, it provokes an autoimmune response in

> your body.

>

> Have you tried any particular diet, or fasting? With the cause of your

pain

> being a gut problem, this is most likely to help.

>

> Regards,

>

>

> --

> .Shaw@...

> Institute of Biological Sciences, University of Wales,

> Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, Wales

> http://pcjagg.dbs.aber.ac.uk/index.html

>

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[Guest guest]

HI ,

When I first started the AP I used the diet recomendations in " The Yeast

Syndrome " . It is listed on 's webpage.

This is where you start with selected yeast free foods and do an " add-in "

program. It really helped a lot of different symptoms I had and not just

the RA , but I lost too much weight on it and had to add back in foods. My

husband who doesn't have any autommunial disorders went on it too as

support for me and he had more energy that he had had in a long time. He

said that it made him feel better than he had in years.

It is a really easy plan to follow and gives a lot of good information

about the yeast connection and your health.

C

At 10:17 AM 6/9/00 +0100, you wrote:

>Hello to all! I've just joined the group, so before my reply, here's a short

>bit about me.

>

>I live in Wales, and have had Ankylosing Spondylitis for just over 4

years. I

>have for most of this time been on and off NSAIDs, but am currently (last 4

>months, following a major flare-up) following a starch-free diet which has

>enabled me to drop off the tablets altogether, although the pain is not

>completely gone. I'm now trying dropping disaccharide sugars too (since

about

>a week ago); I'll let you know if it works!

>

>Now to my point:

>

>Dean wrote:

>

>>although my Rheumatic Doctor poo poo's the notion. She says it was disproven

>>years ago that yeast / candida has anything to do with RA.

>

>I've done quite a lot of my own research in this area, but (despite where I

>work) I am no microbiologist. However, it seems from what I read that the

>Candida can cause a weakening of the gut wall and make it more permeable.

The

>antibiotics will have killed off all bacteria good and bad. When they were

>withdrawn, your gut was likely colonised by bad bacteria, one of which is

the

>cause of your symptoms. Whereas before the Candida problem, this bacteria

may

>(or may not) have been present, it could not pass through the gut lining;

now

>it can.

>

>Once the wrong side of the gut wall, it provokes an autoimmune response in

>your body.

>

>Have you tried any particular diet, or fasting? With the cause of your pain

>being a gut problem, this is most likely to help.

>

>Regards,

>

>

>--

>.Shaw@...

>Institute of Biological Sciences, University of Wales,

>Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, Wales

>http://pcjagg.dbs.aber.ac.uk/index.html

>

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[Guest guest]

Babs,

I agree with the stress affecting our immune systems making us prone to

illness. I always had adrenaline rushes as a kid, if someone slammed a

door, dropped a book or anything a person caused. But I used to always get

it at school worrying that the teacher would have me stand up in class and

answer a question. The constant worry and tension made me prone to illness

and in pictures of my childhood I look like I am about to jump out of my skin.

My sisters grew up in the same atmosphere but only one of them has stress

today. My other two sisters were more gregarious and seemed to handle it

better and are in very good health.

Perhaps it is how we handle it that affects out health.

Bev

[Guest guest]

Carol,

I can sure relate to the worrying. When my kids were little I was afraid to

let them out of my sight and still am glad when everyone is accounted for. I

wonder if it is a mother trait or because of a traumatic childhood. I find

since I've had RA I take time for myself more because I just have to conserve

energy. I make sure my kids and hubby have their cell phones when they go

out and that makes it easier too.

My mom is going to be 89 and my dad 94 in Sept. and they have only been in

the hospital for births and my dad a back operation in 1964. I'm sure they

suffered from stress because they both grew up during the depression but our

kind of stress with the adrenalin rushes is more harmful I think.

TTFN

Bev

<< I would agree with you there Bev. Thinking back, I have always been a

'worrier' even as a child. When I think about it I still am to a large

extent. I worry about the kids and sometimes when I can't sleep at night I

can get myself into a real stew thinking about things that could happen to

them. I have to really stop myself and conciously think of nice things. I

wonder whether all that predisposed me to this illness? Having said that,

my mum is very similar to me personality wise and has reached 75 with hardly

a days illness! Who knows what causes these dratted diseases!

BFN

Carol W. >>

[Guest guest]

I would agree with you there Bev. Thinking back, I have always been a

'worrier' even as a child. When I think about it I still am to a large

extent. I worry about the kids and sometimes when I can't sleep at night I

can get myself into a real stew thinking about things that could happen to

them. I have to really stop myself and conciously think of nice things. I

wonder whether all that predisposed me to this illness? Having said that,

my mum is very similar to me personality wise and has reached 75 with hardly

a days illness! Who knows what causes these dratted diseases!

BFN

Carol W.

rheumatic Re: Stress and RA

>Babs,

>I agree with the stress affecting our immune systems making us prone to

>illness. I always had adrenaline rushes as a kid, if someone slammed a

>door, dropped a book or anything a person caused. But I used to always

get

>it at school worrying that the teacher would have me stand up in class and

>answer a question. The constant worry and tension made me prone to

illness

>and in pictures of my childhood I look like I am about to jump out of my

skin.

>My sisters grew up in the same atmosphere but only one of them has stress

>today. My other two sisters were more gregarious and seemed to handle it

>better and are in very good health.

>Perhaps it is how we handle it that affects out health.

>

>Bev

>

>

>

>To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am living proof stress has a tremendous effect on RA. I am 62 year old and up

until July of this year my symptoms were limited to some stiffness in the knees

and some minor discomfort in the fingers (couldn't bowl.) I didn't know it was

RA, but apparently it was. Then my husband got West Nile encephalitis and almost

died. I spent two weeks 24/7 in his hospital room, sleeping in a recliner

chair. We didn't know how much permanent mental damage he might have.

Stressful?....nothing like that. Within a week, I had full blown RA. Every

joint in my body inflamed and painfull. I am responding well to MTX, but stress

of any kind causes it to flare now.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Yeah, of course there is a connection people! Every time I spend time with my

Mom, I totally " FREAK OUT " ! My STRESS levels escalate & asthma, depression & my

fibro ALL go haywire. Go to your library or " the net " & check out info on the

" Mind Body " connection!

By the way this is J.M.P (just my opinion) not a doctor

I hope you are all " FLYing " .... Finally Loving Yourselves

With Blessings, Shell

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[Guest guest]

I am the complete opposite. When I am stressed, or sick, my RA actually feels

better. Since starting back to school last fall I have felt better, but crappy

when I have a break...like I am on now. Go figure...I guess the adrenalin keeps

me going. Mind you I don't feel like running a marathon, but I feel better

overall.

Shandi

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[Guest guest]

Hi Shell. I just had to reply and let you know I am a flybaby too. Without

that system, my family of 6 would never have clean laundry and I'd never get

anything done because I hurt every day. Now I know it's okay to do just a load

or 2 a day of laundry and clean in 15 minute increments. Anyway, just thought

I'd share

[ ] Re: stress and RA

Yeah, of course there is a connection people! Every time I spend time with my

Mom, I totally " FREAK OUT " ! My STRESS levels escalate & asthma, depression & my

fibro ALL go haywire. Go to your library or " the net " & check out info on the

" Mind Body " connection!

By the way this is J.M.P (just my opinion) not a doctor

I hope you are all " FLYing " .... Finally Loving Yourselves

With Blessings, Shell

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Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels

in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit.