Re: chelation side effects -

[Guest guest]

> Really!! Have you found you needed to increase supplementation

> doing this? Particularly minerals? I am using DMSA and I wonder

> if it would present more of a problem.

I have thought about

> alternating DMSA and ALA, and not taking any days off.

TK--- This may cause some problems as both DMSA and ALA normally

require breaks and should not be used continuously. Normally

according to protocol DMSA and ALA round length should not exceed two

weeks. is using DMPS which can be used continuously, his

experience with both continuously is somewhat unique as is each

person. The need for Supplementation of vitamins and minerals in

general is continuous, some people will need more or less than others

and different supplements to address different problems. also

had Lyme which may effect things in diffferent ways. I am sure he

will respond with his thoughts.

>

> Any reason you haven't increased dose beyond 25 mg? It would

> confirm you are no longer toxic, right?

TK--- The 25mg is a reduction from what he was chealting with when he

had symptoms I believe.

>

>

> > I am still chelating just to be sure, using 25 mg of dmps and 25

mg

> of alpha

> > lipoic acid.

> >

> > At one point about a year ago, I stopped chelating. After a

couple

> months I

>

>

> When you stopped, did you feel worse like in the past, or did you

> feel okay/normal (until the symptoms came back)?

>

> Thanks for posting about this. I appreciate hearing your

experience.

>

> If anyone else has done something similar, I'd appreciate if you

> posted your experience.

TK--- I chelate with ALA 75mg & DMPS 40mg but in rounds of 5 -7 days

as I have found if I go longer [right now] I start to have problems.

Things change as you progress though as when I started I could not

domore than 12.5mg of either for more than 3-4 days.

>

> --

>

>

> > noticed symptoms started coming back in a big way. So then I

> started again

> > and have been going ever since.

> >

> > Just my experience.

> >

> >

> >

> > =======

> >

> > The Lyme Disease Book

> > http://www.lymebook.com/

> >

> > ..

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> TK--- I chelate with ALA 75mg & DMPS 40mg but in rounds of 5 -7 days

> as I have found if I go longer [right now] I start to have problems.

> Things change as you progress though as when I started I could not

> domore than 12.5mg of either for more than 3-4 days.

>

TK,

How many months have you been chelating?

J

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > TK--- I chelate with ALA 75mg & DMPS 40mg but in rounds of 5 -7

days

> > as I have found if I go longer [right now] I start to have

problems.

> > Things change as you progress though as when I started I could

not

> > domore than 12.5mg of either for more than 3-4 days.

> >

>

>

> TK,

>

> How many months have you been chelating?

TK--- off and on for a few years depending on DMPS availability,

regularly through 2005 as I was able to get an ongoing rx for the

dmps through .

>

> J

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > Really!! Have you found you needed to increase supplementation

> > doing this? Particularly minerals? I am using DMSA and I wonder

> > if it would present more of a problem.

>

>

>

>

> I have thought about

> > alternating DMSA and ALA, and not taking any days off.

>

>

> TK--- This may cause some problems as both DMSA and ALA normally

> require breaks and should not be used continuously. Normally

> according to protocol DMSA and ALA round length should not exceed two

> weeks. is using DMPS which can be used continuously, his

> experience with both continuously is somewhat unique as is each

> person. The need for Supplementation of vitamins and minerals in

> general is continuous, some people will need more or less than others

> and different supplements to address different problems. also

> had Lyme which may effect things in diffferent ways. I am sure he

> will respond with his thoughts.

TK,

You are right. I am feeling much more realistic at the moment

because I am not feeling well today. I think my over-optimism

in believing I can find a way to chelate all the time might

also be viewed as a symptom. I might change my mind tomorrow,

though. I'm going to have to figure out a way to maintain good

judgment throughout this process.

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> >

> > Any reason you haven't increased dose beyond 25 mg? It would

> > confirm you are no longer toxic, right?

>

>

>

> TK--- The 25mg is a reduction from what he was chealting with when he

> had symptoms I believe.

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > > I am still chelating just to be sure, using 25 mg of dmps and 25

> mg

> > of alpha

> > > lipoic acid.

> > >

> > > At one point about a year ago, I stopped chelating. After a

> couple

> > months I

> >

> >

> > When you stopped, did you feel worse like in the past, or did you

> > feel okay/normal (until the symptoms came back)?

> >

> > Thanks for posting about this. I appreciate hearing your

> experience.

>

>

> >

> > If anyone else has done something similar, I'd appreciate if you

> > posted your experience.

>

>

> TK--- I chelate with ALA 75mg & DMPS 40mg but in rounds of 5 -7 days

> as I have found if I go longer [right now] I start to have problems.

> Things change as you progress though as when I started I could not

> domore than 12.5mg of either for more than 3-4 days.

>

>

>

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> > > noticed symptoms started coming back in a big way. So then I

> > started again

> > > and have been going ever since.

> > >

> > > Just my experience.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > =======

> > >

> > > The Lyme Disease Book

> > > http://www.lymebook.com/

> > >

> > > ..

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

,

Have you found your iron levels are depleted even more with DMSA?

I'm sure this is happening with me. Presumably as it affects

neutrophils. Its concerning me. I find I crave really high mineral

foods which I know is a general mineral craving but also a craving for

iron. I'm concerned about getting too depleted.

Anne

>

> > > Really!! Have you found you needed to increase supplementation

> > > doing this? Particularly minerals? I am using DMSA and I wonder

> > > if it would present more of a problem.

> >

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> >

> > > > Really!! Have you found you needed to increase supplementation

> > > > doing this? Particularly minerals? I am using DMSA and I wonder

> > > > if it would present more of a problem.

> > >

>

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>

> Don't know. I haven't done a ferritin since I started chelating,

> but will be getting one done tomorrow. Actually, I have been

> taking iron for maybe a week or two, since Andy recommended it

> for my high uranium - but I suppose not long enough to affect

> ferritin.

>

> I've been having a lot of anxiety/panic, so maybe I am fairly

> low.

>

> I'll let you know the result when I get it (probably next week).

Ok thanks.

> I'm not sure why low neutrophils would directly affect iron

> stores...? Do you mean because low neutrophils might allow

> yeast or other microbes to proliferate and steal the iron?

Yes thats what I meant, but I'm not sure of the mechanism! Though I

just checked the results of my last full blood count and my

neutrophils seem to be at ok levels so not sure about this now!

> My neutrophils are usually low too, and I'm going to be

> interested to see if they are lower than usual during

> chelation.

Do you get them checked just through a normal blood count?

Thanks,

Anne

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>

> > Don't know. I haven't done a ferritin since I started chelating,

> > but will be getting one done tomorrow. Actually, I have been

> > taking iron for maybe a week or two, since Andy recommended it

> > for my high uranium - but I suppose not long enough to affect

> > ferritin.

> >

> > I've been having a lot of anxiety/panic, so maybe I am fairly

> > low.

> >

> > I'll let you know the result when I get it (probably next week).

>

> Ok thanks.

>

> > I'm not sure why low neutrophils would directly affect iron

> > stores...? Do you mean because low neutrophils might allow

> > yeast or other microbes to proliferate and steal the iron?

>

> Yes thats what I meant, but I'm not sure of the mechanism! Though I

> just checked the results of my last full blood count and my

> neutrophils seem to be at ok levels so not sure about this now!

>

> > My neutrophils are usually low too, and I'm going to be

> > interested to see if they are lower than usual during

> > chelation.

>

> Do you get them checked just through a normal blood count?

>

> Thanks,

> Anne

The proper test that includes neutrophils is a CBC w/differential.

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