Re: Confused about veggies

[Guest guest]

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Kim Mumbower also has gastropareisis, so I'll let her address the

question of how she adapted SCD to the needs of that particular

problem.

In general, the cooking process makes it possible to get necessary

vitamins and minerals out of the vegetables. Yet, there are some tri and

polysaccharides in them, but this is one instance in which getting a

balanced diet is necessary.

Keep in mind that in Dr. Haas' day, people with gut issues weren't given

any fruits or vegetables, yet a source of carbohydrates needed to be

found. Very ripe banana turned out to be well-tolerated by most, along

with properly made yogurt and other well-cooked, peeled and seeded

vegetables and fruits.

—

Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Marilyn. Do I need to contact Kim or will she see my post?

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> Kim Mumbower also has gastropareisis, so I'll let

> her address the question of how she adapted SCD

> to the needs of that particular problem.

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> In general, the cooking process makes it possible

> to get necessary vitamins and minerals out of the

> vegetables. Yet, there are some tri and

> polysaccharides in them, but this is one instance

> in which getting a balanced diet is necessary.

>

> Keep in mind that in Dr. Haas' day, people with

> gut issues weren't given any fruits or

> vegetables, yet a source of carbohydrates needed

> to be found. Very ripe banana turned out to be

> well-tolerated by most, along with properly made

> yogurt and other well-cooked, peeled and seeded vegetables and

fruits.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

At 03:54 PM 9/17/2008, you wrote:

Thanks, Marilyn. Do I need to

contact Kim or will she see my post?

Kim should see it -- she's great about spotting things like this!

<g> I hesitate to comment on gastropareisis because she and I have

determined that the things which work great for me would drop her in her

tracks, and what she finds works best for her would have me taking up

residence in the loo!

It's one of the joys and frustrations of SCD. It's infinitely

customizable. And it needs to be, because everyone is so very different

as to what they tolerate! But it can drive you crazy trying to figure out

what you can tolerate.

—

Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

Your support is strength in itself! Just having someone speak my

language rocks my world.

> >Thanks, Marilyn. Do I need to contact Kim or will she see my post?

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> Kim should see it -- she's great about spotting

> things like this! <g> I hesitate to comment on

> gastropareisis because she and I have determined

> that the things which work great for me would

> drop her in her tracks, and what she finds works

> best for her would have me taking up residence in the loo!

>

> It's one of the joys and frustrations of SCD.

> It's infinitely customizable. And it needs to be,

> because everyone is so very different as to what

> they tolerate! But it can drive you crazy trying

> to figure out what you can tolerate.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

I'm glad to offer the solutions that have worked for me. Just remember that you'll need to do your own trial-and-error to find out which veggies work best for your upper GI.

Yes, some of the foods that are allowed on SCD are trisaccharides and some of these do aggravate my upper GI. Some of the allowed foods are also polysaccharides, like the dried beans, and although many on SCD can tolerate these, my digestion can't, even after 5 years on SCD. On the other hand I can handle a spoonful of peanut butter nearly every day -- and many on SCD can't.

So, each of us has to discover which SCD foods work best for our bodies. The good thing is that the longer we're on SCD, the better our digestions work.

I have gastroparesis as part of having Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction, so in addition to the low-fat and low-fiber requirements of dealing with gastroparesis, I also have to eat very bland as few seasonings are tolerated. I've found my upper GI very sensitive to a lot of SCD legal foods. The first 2 months on SCD were a continual trial-and-error process for me.

I find the most difficult veggies for me to digest are the dense, high-carb ones like winter squashes or beets or carrots (high in sugars), or the high-fat ones like avocado, or anything high in fiber. I cook all my veggies until they are soft, trim the stems off broccoli and greens, but my upper GI can still react to some; so for me they're not all equal in digestability. Definitely don't handle any raw veggies. How I cook the veggies makes a difference, how often I eat them makes a difference, whether they're fresh or frozen can make a difference.....

Don't be discouraged, though. Once I figured out my core group of veggies and other SCD foods -- those that caused the least amount of symptoms -- I stuck with those for about a year before I started trying some of the other veggies that had previously given me problems. Some are better tolerated now as long as I don't have them too often, but at least I have a treat now and then. I haven't actually added too many veggies to my core group, but I do eat well on those that my digestion does tolerate.

Because I have functional digestive disorders I haven't been "cured" or gone into remission, but my symptoms have certainly dropped down to minimal most days. Depending on how my Sphincter of Oddi is behaving, I'll get mild to moderate nausea every time I eat, and it gets worse as the day progresses. But as long as I eat small meals frequently, and stick to the foods that cause the least amount of nausea, bloating and pain for me, I can continue to lead a reasonably normal life despite the digestive dysfunctions.

Which meats are tolerated also follows the same "rules" as veggies do, for me anyway. I have to pay attention to the fat content of meats; and how I cook them makes a huge difference in my nausea levels. I also have similar problems with supplements, and malabsorption is also an issue.

The results of my last GES (6 months ago) were identical to my first GES, which I found interesting. Guess my upper GI isn't going to improve on motility even though my symptoms are definitely diminished most days. I still have bad days every once in a while, even when I haven't eaten anything different. Guess that's part of having functional digestive issues.

Feel free to email directly if you like.

Kim M.

SCD 5 years

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I have gastroparesis and everything I eat sits in my gut for a long time. I'm trying to work veggies into my diet but they contain trisaccharides, which give me trouble. Why are veggies okay on SCD if they contain tri/polysaccharides? Do these sugars break down in cooking? Are all veggies equal in digestability if I cook them as soft as possible?Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am in the process of getting tested for gastroparesis and biliary

dyskensia as a possible Crohn's complication (this has been a problem

now for over 5 years- this discomfort in my RUQ region). Finally I am

learning what is wrong with me and all of this various discomfort.

If it weren't for SCD I wouldn't be able to pinpoint things and help

myself.

I just wanted to hop in and say that Kim M is an expert!!!! And has

taught me so much about this balance of finding the right foods and

testing.. It takes time, patience... trial and error. There will be

many ups and downs. What works for you may not necessarily work for

me and vice versa!

Bless her patience. Seriously! She is a treasure and a wealth of

knowledge!!!!

Jodi

SCD 11 months

Crohn's/Colitis

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> I'm glad to offer the solutions that have worked for me. Just

remember that you'll need to do your own trial-and-error to find out

which veggies work best for your upper GI.

[Guest guest]

Hello Jodi,

yes, I agree that Kim is amazing. She helped me tremendously when I

first started scd in Jan of 07. I didn't know I had GP then - in

fact, I'd never heard of it. After being with the group a long time

I didn't move with it transitioned to Yahoo, but I do consider many

of these people dear friends. Kim, especially.

Thanks for your encouragement,

GP, Celiac, Adhesions, Candida

SCD Jan 07

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> > I'm glad to offer the solutions that have worked for me. Just

> remember that you'll need to do your own trial-and-error to find out

> which veggies work best for your upper GI.

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