Re: Day 28 - Help!

[Guest guest]

Hi , my thoughts went to how I read the ingredients on my vitamins in my cupboard last week and they all need to go into the trash. Every one of them is SCD illegal. Have you checked those labels? Plus I'd think you should try a legal Probiotic or making yogurt again. My understanding is that that's where the magic is!

Terri

7 weeks SCD

2 years UC

Day 28 - Help!

Hi,I'm trying really hard with SCD but I just can't seem to get past the D. Can anyone offer suggestions? I'm feeling really desperate right now. I'll explain where I'm at.I'm on day 28 of the 100% diet right now. (I actually started over 1.5 months ago, but i was taking a drug for another condition that I later learned was illegal so I've since replaced it.) In addition to the food I've been eating I also take Freeda SCD Multi and B Vitamins, Fish Oil and occasionally the Lyosan Probiotics.Foods AttemptedI did the intro for a full 5 days (actually probably a bit longer) and have introduced additional foods since them. I am still stuck at Stage 1 and still not having success getting past D. All of the food I eat is prepared at home and carefully peeled, seeded and cooked for a long time. I've almost always been careful to only introduce foods one at a time and test them out for a few days to see if I get a reaction. Part of the problem is that I'm never sure if I'm getting a reaction or not because I almost always have D. I've been trying to remove the various foods in Intro/Stage one to see if one of them is causing D. My only real constant through the whole time has been the chicken soup with pureed carrots which I eat everyday and hamburger. The following items are all things I tried but have also tried removing because I thought they may cause the D: eggs, SCD yogurt, applesauce, bananas, ghee, curd, honey, welch's, ghee, green beans.Current FoodsI'm currently eating the chicken soup, broiled hamburger patties, honey, curd, zucchini (peeled, seeded and well steamed), broiled fish, french cut green beans.SCD YogurtWhen I was trying the yogurt I was very careful making it. I've got the yogourmet maker and use the correct yogourmet starter. I follow all the instructions through the process. I monitor the temp and make sure it's on for 24 hours. While eating the yogurt I was getting a lot of bloating, gurgling and gas so I switched to goat's milk, however that didn't hlep. I've since removed the yogurt and now I don't get very much bloating, gurgling or gas which is positive.SymptomsBM's are almost always D, either water or loose. Occasionally I'll get something a bit firm but it's rare. I usually go 1-3 times a day but sometime up to 7 or 8 and some days and very rarely not at all. My BM's often smell like ammonia which I've read it a sign of bacterial overgrowth. I keep a very detailed food log, but I still can't seem to figure out what is causing problems. Occasionally a get a tiny bit of pain in my guts, but not too bad; I don't get blood in my BM's. Any help would be much appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply. The Vitamins and probiotics are from Lucy's

kitchen and are SCD legal. The Freeda vitamins are actually

specifically made for SCD.

thanks,

ryan

>

> Hi , my thoughts went to how I read the ingredients on my

vitamins in my cupboard last week and they all need to go into the

trash. Every one of them is SCD illegal. Have you checked those

labels? Plus I'd think you should try a legal Probiotic or making

yogurt again. My understanding is that that's where the magic is!

> Terri

> 7 weeks SCD

> 2 years UC

[Guest guest]

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Try adding the bananas back in to your diet. Make sure they are organic and ripe with many black spots, as Ms. Gottschall suggested. If you can tolerate a half to a whole banana before meals, it should begin to control your "D". Coconut and EVOO are foods that may help healthy balance of GI bacteria. The MD who DX'd my Crohn's told me to use olive leaf supplements to control candita , with the least disruption to the good bactera. I still did this slowly. I seem to have more "D" anytime I am killing off yeast. As always, if you try any supplements, check for illegals.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I cant speak for everyone, but I did not ruin my health overnite, it took many,many years of abuse to get the way it was. From my observation of the list, over the past few years, it seams the older you are or the longer you have had the problem the longer it takes to reverse the symptoms.

Do you keep a food journal? I found I had the hardest time making the switch from the intro to stage 1. Not all of us can handle all of the legal items on the list, EX: I had trouble with to many green beans and to much soup, I don't know if it was the carrots or what but a food journal will help find the culprits.

Also the amount of what you eat can make a difference, I have read of many who had start off with 1/4 of a vitamin or 1 teaspoon of yogurt a day till they got use to it.

I personally find a European style of eating agrees with me better. I eat a big breakfast and lunch and keep dinner to a minimum, maybe a salad or a fruit. Please keep in mind I am very advanced, and I advise people to start to feed themselves like they would feed a newborn baby.

I know the book says to eat all you want..... but I found that eating only the calories that your body will need as fuel to function for the day left little waste for my body to deal with. A warning for this, I was overweight and needed to lose anyway, someone with our problems might be under weight and with a compromised digestive system and need twice that of a normal system, do to a lack in nutrition absorption.

All The Best, Lou

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

What kind of hamburger are you eating? Is it already ground pre-packaged from the grocery? If so, it may contain lactose. Try getting beef fresh ground from a butcher and see it that helps. Ususally the grocer adds stuff to keep the meat from turning brown. I can't tolerate the pre-ground stuff myself. Hope this helps.

Ann,

Living in Italy

Undiagnosed Crohn's since 1977 Diagnosed 15 years

Sacroiliitis 25 years

Rheumatoid arthritis 25 years

Pyoderma Gangronosum 2 years

SCD since July, 2008

Meds: Tapering Prednisone for PG

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 1:32:29 AMSubject: Day 28 - Help!

Hi,I'm trying really hard with SCD but I just can't seem to get past the D. Can anyone offer suggestions? I'm feeling really desperate right now. I'll explain where I'm at.I'm on day 28 of the 100% diet right now. (I actually started over 1.5 months ago, but i was taking a drug for another condition that I later learned was illegal so I've since replaced it.) In addition to the food I've been eating I also take Freeda SCD Multi and B Vitamins, Fish Oil and occasionally the Lyosan Probiotics.Foods AttemptedI did the intro for a full 5 days (actually probably a bit longer) and have introduced additional foods since them. I am still stuck at Stage 1 and still not having success getting past D. All of the food I eat is prepared at home and carefully peeled, seeded and cooked for a long time. I've almost always been careful to only introduce foods one at a time and test them out for a few

days to see if I get a reaction. Part of the problem is that I'm never sure if I'm getting a reaction or not because I almost always have D. I've been trying to remove the various foods in Intro/Stage one to see if one of them is causing D. My only real constant through the whole time has been the chicken soup with pureed carrots which I eat everyday and hamburger. The following items are all things I tried but have also tried removing because I thought they may cause the D: eggs, SCD yogurt, applesauce, bananas, ghee, curd, honey, welch's, ghee, green beans.Current FoodsI'm currently eating the chicken soup, broiled hamburger patties, honey, curd, zucchini (peeled, seeded and well steamed), broiled fish, french cut green beans.SCD YogurtWhen I was trying the yogurt I was very careful making it. I've got the yogourmet maker and use the correct yogourmet starter. I follow all the

instructions through the process. I monitor the temp and make sure it's on for 24 hours. While eating the yogurt I was getting a lot of bloating, gurgling and gas so I switched to goat's milk, however that didn't hlep. I've since removed the yogurt and now I don't get very much bloating, gurgling or gas which is positive.SymptomsBM's are almost always D, either water or loose. Occasionally I'll get something a bit firm but it's rare. I usually go 1-3 times a day but sometime up to 7 or 8 and some days and very rarely not at all. My BM's often smell like ammonia which I've read it a sign of bacterial overgrowth. I keep a very detailed food log, but I still can't seem to figure out what is causing problems. Occasionally a get a tiny bit of pain in my guts, but not too bad; I don't get blood in my BM's. Any help would be much

appreciated.

[Guest guest]

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I'm trying really hard with SCD but I just can't seem to get past the D "

Hi ,

On Sept 22, 2008 I ate my last homemade chocolate chip cookie (I'm

practically drooling now as I think of it) and I've been 100% SCD since

then. I struggle with D as well. As I looked back on my food journal

I began to notice that I reacted more to things with onions (sauteed or

pureed) and reduced tomato juice in the SCD spaghetti sauce, which had

onions and garlic in it as well. The soups I made from scratch, you

know, boiling the bones like a witch doctor, had onions in the broth

which I would remove then would add fresh onions and puree them along

with pureed carrots. I began to see a pattern. I read this database

all the time to get hints and sure enough someone posted that many will

react to onions, garlic. I eliminated tomatoes in any form as well as

onions and garlic. Things are improving. Amen! But, I also noticed

that the body goes through extreme change when beginning this new way

of nourishment. So, hang in there, . You seem to be doing things

correctly and you're doing what must be done to heal...and I believe

that takes time. We're all so different. I cannot tolerate anything

fermented like the yougurt, so I substitute Friendship Farmer's cheese

in baking. But, I had to cut waaaayyyy back on legal cheese. It never

occurred to me that when a child has D, you cut out dairy. Same goes

for us. Keep reading the blogs, so many are experiencing success on

SCD. Honestly, I would have given up myself a couple of weeks ago bc

the D would not stop, but kept going bc I read an encouraging word on

this site.

We're all in this together, .

Blessings,

Dianne

CD May '08, symptomatic years

SCD Sept 22,08 >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply. I'll try the bananas again. I have tried them

off and on in the past couple weeks and it seems like they cause me

more gas and D, but it's hard to tell. Thanks for the ideas!

ryan

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>    Try adding the bananas back in to your diet. Make sure they are

organic and ripe with many black spots, as Ms. Gottschall suggested.

If you can tolerate a half to a whole banana before meals, it should

begin to control your " D " . Coconut and EVOO are foods that may help

healthy balance of GI bacteria. The MD who DX'd my Crohn's told me to

use olive leaf supplements to control candita , with the least

disruption to the good bactera. I still did this slowly. I seem to

have more " D " anytime I am killing off yeast. As always, if you try

any supplements, check for illegals.

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried making the really long cooking bone broth?

Seems like that is excellent for dealing with inflammation.

There's a discussion of it in the GAPS protocol:

http://gapsdiet.com/INTRODUCTION_DIET.html

Mara

> Thanks for the reply. I'll try the bananas again. I have tried them

> off and on in the past couple weeks and it seems like they cause me

> more gas and D, but it's hard to tell. Thanks for the ideas!

> ryan

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>> Try adding the bananas back in to your diet. Make sure they are

> organic and ripe with many black spots, as Ms. Gottschall suggested.

> If you can tolerate a half to a whole banana before meals, it should

> begin to control your " D " . Coconut and EVOO are foods that may help

> healthy balance of GI bacteria. The MD who DX'd my Crohn's told me to

> use olive leaf supplements to control candita , with the least

> disruption to the good bactera. I still did this slowly. I seem to

> have more " D " anytime I am killing off yeast. As always, if you try

> any supplements, check for illegals.

>>

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[Guest guest]

>BM's are almost always D, either water or loose. Occasionally I'll get

something a bit firm but it's rare. I usually go 1-3 times a day but

sometime up to 7 or 8 and some days and very rarely not at all. My

BM's often smell like ammonia which I've read it a sign of bacterial

overgrowth. I keep a very detailed food log, but I still can't seem to

figure out what is causing problems. Occasionally a get a tiny bit of

pain in my guts, but not too bad; I don't get blood in my BM's. <

Dear

When I get D like that, and it smells like that, I believe it is because the

transit time is too short and the food is still undigested. For me that is a

sign that my stomache and liver aren't doing their job.

Baden here on the list has mentioned a GAPS diet which might be something

for you? From what I have read about it, it also looks at how the stomache

and liver are doing. If they don't do their job, the food is not prepared

properly for the intestines, and then it can't do its job, but just sends

the food along. That would explain your symptoms, especially that you feel

no pain.

For me a big issue is food combining. I have to eat plain food and I can't

mix things, because that seems to inhibit my already low stomache acid. So

baked goods are a no-no but I can eat all the things in a baked food, just

one at a time. I can eat meat and certain cooked vegetables together,

otherwise I try to space out my meals and eat the vegetables first, wait

awhile, and then eat the meat. But I digress, you are not there yet :-)

As a quick help for you (maybe?) try drinking a very small glass of ice cold

water just before you eat ( a few mouthfuls, not more). Cold water will

encourage stomache acid (hot water inhibits). Also make sure you sleep at

nights! Lack of sleep can stop digestion.

Cecilia

[Guest guest]

>The following items

are all things I tried but have also tried removing because I thought

they may cause the D: eggs, SCD yogurt, applesauce, bananas, ghee,

curd, honey, welch's, ghee, green beans.<

P.s. on my other email:

did you make the grape jelly? The thing about gelatin is that it binds water

in the intestines. If the grape juice jelly was too strong, you can dilute

the juice. The thing is to eat some gelatin. If you don't want to have juice

at all, you can mix gelatin in your chicken soup.

cecilia

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the comments Cecilia!

If digestion is an issue, would you suggest using an enzyme?

[Guest guest]

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Thanks for the comments Cecilia!

If digestion is an issue, would you suggest using an enzyme?<

I don't know. I have tried enzymes and I notice very little difference

(well, maybe a little, I can eat some mixed food better on a digestive pill,

but not for example the combination nuts+eggs).

I have also tried glutamine that is supposed to heal the stomache lining -

in case my low stomache acid is due an infection by heliobacter pylori

(which I think I have) and I did get a lot better from that.

Some people take supplements to make up for low stomache acid, but I am

afraid to try that because I have read that if you start with that, you can

make the situation worse, because then the body may react by producing even

less. I don't know how much truth there is in that and people are probably

different, but I am careful because I am one of those people who often gets

all the listed side-effects on medicines and remedies.

cecilia