Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Sue Raccanello wrote: > > My question is 'buggleweed'? I have heard you talk about it in the past > and was wondering if it is for 'hyper', 'hypo' or no thyroid? Also how is > it taken? Buglewort is a weed with bugle shaped flowers (Lycopus Virginicus) that is used to treat hyperthyroidism. It is taken as either tea or tincture, but that is about where my knowledge runs out. Herbal remedies for Graves are thin on the ground so any herbalist who is treating Graves should know about it. Lemon Balm is often used with it. There is a European Buglewort which is also used in the same manner although it is a different variety, and probably half a dozen other weeds with bugle shaped flowers called buglewort that are probably best avoided. Some of the sites suggest herbal treatments are only for mild Graves, I'd have to be feeling very brave, or hypo through using both herbs and ATD to consider dropping my dose of ATDs. Oolong tea is based on normal tea, so presumably usually has caffeine, I think they just prepare the leaves differently before stewing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Hi Sue, Glad to hear from you again and thanks for the update. Will you get to meet Dawn Rose also? Lucky you!!! Bugleweed is for hyper, and Dawn Rose can really help you with that and lemon balm. As for the goiter, things take time, it didn't get big overnight and it won't shrink over night either. Once you are euthyroid and stable it should begin to come down. Take care, REST! and don't be such a stranger! Jody _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Hi Sue Good to hear from you. Hope all goes well with the endo. I'm sure that no matter what at least you armed with information and wouldn't let anyone talk 'guff' to you. Anyway if Dawn Rose sees this endo I'm sure he/she is great. Sorry to hear you've been so busy and your levels are a bit erratic. Try to look after yourself. I'm sure I got this GD due to a hectic lifestyle in the first place - so number one priority - take care of yourself. The change in diet and herbals may be a good option for you. I know from this group many have had good results from them. All the best Caroline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Hi Sue, I have written quite a bit to this list about bugleweed, so if you have time to look in the archives, it will help. If the search is working, try bugleweed first. Or my name or Dawn Rose, would be another way to go. I remember Dawn Rose's whole story meeting this doctor, and how happy it all turned out. How great for you to get this all set up and be able to see him also. The 'short' story on bugleweed... it lowers T4 and I assume also would then affect TSH. It also works on the antibodies that cause Graves'. Lemon balm is much weaker, but it does also lower T4. So these need to be viewed as anti thyroid herbs. Too much will cause hypo. Different tinctures are different strengths, and we all have different needs. So a dose recommendation is impossible. The best thing will be a doctor familiar with these herbs. IF you try some of the over the counter tinctures, they are not near as strong as the prescription type, from Naturopathic doctors, but it would be best to start small and work up. I took too much one night and knew immediately, it was too much. Slept like the dead and was very hypo the whole next day. Was pretty easy to figure out how much I needed after that. LOL Lemon balm can also be made into a tea, and might be a good first step into herbs, as the tea will not be very strong. Just don't have any if you think you are going hypo. AND... what ever you do with herbs, MUST be consistent, the same as ATDs and monitored with regular labs. Hope this does not sound like I am discouraging you. The herbs were the best thing I did to this dang Graves'. -Pam- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Hi Jody I do hope so (meet Dawn Rose that is). We have exchanged privately about Endo details and have said that we should meet for lunch or coffee or both. (Caffeine free of course!) I will talk to Dawn Rose about Bugleweed. You mentioned Euthyroid. Does everyone get there? It seems so far away. Sue At 08:36 PM 9/06/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Sue, >Glad to hear from you again and thanks for the update. Will you get to meet >Dawn Rose also? Lucky you!!! > >Bugleweed is for hyper, and Dawn Rose can really help you with that and >lemon balm. As for the goiter, things take time, it didn't get big >overnight and it won't shrink over night either. Once you are euthyroid and >stable it should begin to come down. > >Take care, REST! and don't be such a stranger! >Jody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Hi Caroline Thank you for the advice of looking after myself. I do take time out, however when you have a busy lifestyle plus a family to take care of it all seems to catch up with you. But I do take the time when possible. Sue At 11:23 AM 10/06/2002 +1000, you wrote: > Hi Sue > > Good to hear from you. Hope all goes well with the endo. I'm > surthat no >matter what at least you armed with > information and wouldn't >let anyone talk 'guff' to you. Anyway if Dawn >Rose sees this endo I'm sure >he/she is great. > > Sorry to hear you've been so busy and your levels are >a bit erratic. Try >to look after yourself. I'm sure I got this > GD due to >a hectic lifestyle in the first place - so number one priority - >take care >of yourself. > > The change in diet and herbals may be a good option for >you. I know from >this group many have had good results from > them. > > >All the best > Caroline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 Hi Pam I love the line 'this dang Graves'. I so wish I didn't have it. But at first I think I had convinced myself that it was some small thing and that I would be over it in no time.........well you know when we are first told we all think like this! <grin> When I was on a high dose of ATD's getting my levels back down, I felt great. But now I'm trying to get myself so called 'normal' its tough. I have always been very concerned with my diet, always being careful of what I ate and in tune with my body. So it has all been a shock to me to end up with this. I will be very careful and I'm not 'rushing' into it all. I won't beat myself up if I go off the rails so to speak every now and then. <grin> As we do. I will find out from Dawn Rose where and how to have the bugleweed and lemon balm. Thanks so much Sue At 07:15 PM 9/06/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Hi Sue, > > I have written quite a bit to this list about bugleweed, so > if u have time > to look in the archives, it will help. > Dawn Rose, > >would be another way to go. > > I remember Dawn Rose's whole story meeting >this doctor, and how happy it all > turned out. How great for you to get >this all set up and be able to see him > also. > > The 'short' story on >bugleweed... it lowers T4 and I assume also would then > affect TSH. It >also works on the antibodies that cause Graves'. > > Lemon balm is much >weaker, but it does also lower T4. > > So these need to be viewed as anti >thyroid herbs. Too much will cause hypo. > > Different tinctures are different strengths, and we all have different > needs. So a dose recommendation is impossible. > > The best thing will be a doctor familiar with these herbs. > IF you try some of the over the counter tinctures, they are not near as > strong as the prescription type, from Naturopathic doctors, but it would be > best to start small and work up. > > I took too much one night and knew immediately, it was too much. Slept like > the dead and was very hypo the whole next day. Was pretty easy to figure out > how much I needed after that. LOL > > Lemon balm can also be made into a tea, and might be a good first step into > herbs, as the tea will not be very strong. Just don't have any if you think > you are going hypo. > > AND... what ever you do with herbs, MUST be consistent, the same as ATDs and > monitored with regular labs. > > Hope this does not sound like I am discouraging you. The herbs were the best > thing I did to this dang Graves'. > > -Pam- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Hi Sue, >>>You mentioned Euthyroid. Does everyone get there? It seems so far >>>away.<<< You will get there eventually...it may take you a bit more time with your current schedule <from an earlier e-mail>. Sometimes, even if we don't want to, we do need to make lifestyle changes and slow things down to get our health back to where we want it. The changes are scary, the 'what do I do, or what do I give up' questions are right there and there is nothing we *want* to give up or change. It may be a decision you will be faced with if things don't calm down for you. Meds do help us, but without changes, they can't do it all. I'm not lecturing, honest. I just want you aware that you may be faced with making some of these lifestyle changes to get where you want to be health wise. I know I had to, I fought it for a long time, but since making certain changes to lessen the stress in my life, there has been a big difference in how quickly the changes have come to my health. Just something to tuck away and look at when your ready. ;-) Take care, Jody _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Dear Chantelle, A short while ago you were thinking that your mail was not going through--have you found the problem? As I was writing to Ellen, I was not sure I had responded to your email, so here it is!! I hope that you are feeling better, too. It sounds like you have some good appts. lined up and that your hard (and frustrating) work has paid of in terms of OSDP (is that the right order?) and getting the assistance you need and want to make your life better. Also, I hope that you know that all of your posts, the answers and comments to the parents' questions also help me in my work. Thank you for sharing all your " stuff " ! pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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