Questions and doc responses

[Guest guest]

I called my psychiatrist last night and explained what happened Tuesday

night. When I got to the part that the doc said my levels were normal which

means my thyroid is functioning normally, he interjected with a point. He

told me that the meds are creating those levels and the thyroid is not

functioning normally or else I wouldn't be on the meds. He also questioned

the doctor not attributing the symptoms I described, which were the same

exact ones in the past that the doctor accepted as thyroid related presently

to the thyroid. At this point, he told me that I deserve to go to another

doctor to be treated. The psychiatrist also told me he was not prescribing

anymore medication for me because these symptoms were created by a physical

cause and that if he did prescribe meds, it's not going to assist in getting

rid of the physical symptoms. It would only help me to deal with the anxiety

- and he's already given me something for that. I sensed frustration in his

voice. My husband says at least I have a psychiatrist on my side so no new

doc is going to easily diagnose me as a head case. My husband also asked me

to gather info. from you about alcohol consumption and eating seafood. We

attended a party Saturday night and I drank 3 cans of beer and ate a large

quantity of seafood (shrimp and lobster). I had no effects from this

afterwards. Then Tuesday at dinner I had two vodka and cranberry drinks. At

10:30 that night, the crazy symptoms began. Could it be that my body is

responding to the alcohol and seafood? And, if that's it why is this

happening and how long does it last? Sorry this is so long.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann Marie -

I just have a few thoughts on the food and beverage reactions

you had this last week:

Sulfur is a goitrogen (has antithyroid properties). It is used in

synthetic goitrogens such as ATDs. Maybe the sulfur content (and

copper content?) in the beer helped offset the iodine levels in the

shrimp and lobster (high iodine shellfish)?

Found this:

Quote -

SULFUR COMPOUNDS

Volatile sulfur compounds such as hydrogen sulfide, dimethyl sulfide,

sulfur dioxide, and thiols make significant contributions to beer

flavor. When present in small concentrations, sulfur compounds may be

acceptable or even desirable, but in excess they give rise to

unpleasant off-flavors, e.g. rotten-egg flavors. Three main sources

of sulfur compounds in beer are raw materials (malt and hops), yeast

metabolism, and spoilage organisms – in particular Zymomonas

anaerobia, Enterobacter aerogenes and Hafnia protea. End quote.

Source:

http://www.beer-brewing.com/brewers-yeast/brewers-yeast-sulfur.htm

As for the cranberries - I get hyper symptoms when I eat cranberries

even though I love them. Found this interesting:

Quote -

There are 11 minerals in the cranberry. Cranberries grown close to

the sea are high in iodine content and also contain vitamin A, B-

complex and vitamin C. For years doctors have suggested drinking

cranberry juice to help cure urinary infections. End quote.

Source:

http://www.naplesnews.com/00/11/food/d493484a.htm

Not sure about the vodka, but there might be sulfur and/or copper in

it as well.

Just a couple of wild guesses - I'm always noticing hyper reactions

to lots of different foods and beverages.

Best Wishes,

Granny Chris

> I called my psychiatrist last night and explained what happened

Tuesday

> night. When I got to the part that the doc said my levels were

normal which

> means my thyroid is functioning normally, he interjected with a

point. He

> told me that the meds are creating those levels and the thyroid is

not

> functioning normally or else I wouldn't be on the meds. He also

questioned

> the doctor not attributing the symptoms I described, which were the

same

> exact ones in the past that the doctor accepted as thyroid related

presently

> to the thyroid. At this point, he told me that I deserve to go to

another

> doctor to be treated. The psychiatrist also told me he was not

prescribing

> anymore medication for me because these symptoms were created by a

physical

> cause and that if he did prescribe meds, it's not going to assist

in getting

> rid of the physical symptoms. It would only help me to deal with

the anxiety

> - and he's already given me something for that. I sensed

frustration in his

> voice. My husband says at least I have a psychiatrist on my side so

no new

> doc is going to easily diagnose me as a head case. My husband also

asked me

> to gather info. from you about alcohol consumption and eating

seafood. We

> attended a party Saturday night and I drank 3 cans of beer and ate

a large

> quantity of seafood (shrimp and lobster). I had no effects from this

> afterwards. Then Tuesday at dinner I had two vodka and cranberry

drinks. At

> 10:30 that night, the crazy symptoms began. Could it be that my

body is

> responding to the alcohol and seafood? And, if that's it why is this

> happening and how long does it last? Sorry this is so long.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Speaking of berries, how about cherries? I had a bad spell of hyper the

other night and the only thing I could think of that might have

contributed was cherries. Not that I suppose my thyroid needs any

excuse... It seems to pretty much do what it wants to!

-- in Fla.

[Guest guest]

oh don't say that....my favorites are cherries....first grapefruits now

cherries, and they are just reaching the North...<pout>

Re: Re: Questions and doc responses

Speaking of berries, how about cherries? I had a bad spell of hyper the

other night and the only thing I could think of that might have

contributed was cherries. Not that I suppose my thyroid needs any

excuse... It seems to pretty much do what it wants to!

-- in Fla.

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Hi -

I seem to have trouble with most red foods, naturally red as well as

those that are colored with red dye no. 3, which is practically pure

iodine.

Within about an hour, even up to 24 hours, I will have fast and/or

irregular heart beats if I have something that is high in iodine (and

other things I'm still discovering). Too much tomato, cherries,

watermelon, and other red fruits and vegs bother me. Even brown food

such as dates and figs, but not coffee or molasses.

A while back a bunch of us (don't remember which board) were

discussing that red, orange and brown foods seem to trigger hyper

symptoms in Graves' people. We figured these had high iodine

content.

If you are talking about maraschino cherries, they usually have the

added dyes. I used to live on those, but gave them up quite a while

ago.

Best Wishes,

Granny Chris

---------

> Speaking of berries, how about cherries? I had a bad spell of

hyper the

> other night and the only thing I could think of that might have

> contributed was cherries. Not that I suppose my thyroid needs any

> excuse... It seems to pretty much do what it wants to!

>

> -- in Fla.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Just curious....you mention that cranberry contains iodine...I have been

taking cranberry tablets every day for the last 5months...on the advice

of my endo due to some urinery infection problems I had late in my

pregnancy and postpartum.....should I not be taking them?!

Thanks,

grannychristine wrote:

> Hi Ann Marie -

>

> I just have a few thoughts on the food and beverage reactions

> you had this last week:

>

> Sulfur is a goitrogen (has antithyroid properties). It is used in

> synthetic goitrogens such as ATDs. Maybe the sulfur content (and

> copper content?) in the beer helped offset the iodine levels in the

> shrimp and lobster (high iodine shellfish)?

>

> Found this:

>

> Quote -

>

> SULFUR COMPOUNDS

> Volatile sulfur compounds such as hydrogen sulfide, dimethyl sulfide,

> sulfur dioxide, and thiols make significant contributions to beer

> flavor. When present in small concentrations, sulfur compounds may be

> acceptable or even desirable, but in excess they give rise to

> unpleasant off-flavors, e.g. rotten-egg flavors. Three main sources

> of sulfur compounds in beer are raw materials (malt and hops), yeast

> metabolism, and spoilage organisms - in particular Zymomonas

> anaerobia, Enterobacter aerogenes and Hafnia protea. End quote.

>

> Source:

>

> http://www.beer-brewing.com/brewers-yeast/brewers-yeast-sulfur.htm

>

>

> As for the cranberries - I get hyper symptoms when I eat cranberries

> even though I love them. Found this interesting:

>

> Quote -

> There are 11 minerals in the cranberry. Cranberries grown close to

> the sea are high in iodine content and also contain vitamin A, B-

> complex and vitamin C. For years doctors have suggested drinking

> cranberry juice to help cure urinary infections. End quote.

>

>

> Source:

>

> http://www.naplesnews.com/00/11/food/d493484a.htm

>

>

> Not sure about the vodka, but there might be sulfur and/or copper in

> it as well.

>

> Just a couple of wild guesses - I'm always noticing hyper reactions

> to lots of different foods and beverages.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Granny Chris

>

>

>

>

>

> > I called my psychiatrist last night and explained what happened

> Tuesday

> > night. When I got to the part that the doc said my levels were

> normal which

> > means my thyroid is functioning normally, he interjected with a

> point. He

> > told me that the meds are creating those levels and the thyroid is

> not

> > functioning normally or else I wouldn't be on the meds. He also

> questioned

> > the doctor not attributing the symptoms I described, which were the

> same

> > exact ones in the past that the doctor accepted as thyroid related

> presently

> > to the thyroid. At this point, he told me that I deserve to go to

> another

> > doctor to be treated. The psychiatrist also told me he was not

> prescribing

> > anymore medication for me because these symptoms were created by a

> physical

> > cause and that if he did prescribe meds, it's not going to assist

> in getting

> > rid of the physical symptoms. It would only help me to deal with

> the anxiety

> > - and he's already given me something for that. I sensed

> frustration in his

> > voice. My husband says at least I have a psychiatrist on my side so

> no new

> > doc is going to easily diagnose me as a head case. My husband also

> asked me

> > to gather info. from you about alcohol consumption and eating

> seafood. We

> > attended a party Saturday night and I drank 3 cans of beer and ate

> a large

> > quantity of seafood (shrimp and lobster). I had no effects from this

> > afterwards. Then Tuesday at dinner I had two vodka and cranberry

> drinks. At

> > 10:30 that night, the crazy symptoms began. Could it be that my

> body is

> > responding to the alcohol and seafood? And, if that's it why is this

> > happening and how long does it last? Sorry this is so long.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

oh no...you mean I have to give up fruit too! I love tomatos! and I just

ate a bunch of fresh Bing cherries....we'll see what they do to me.....

grannychristine wrote:

> Hi -

>

> I seem to have trouble with most red foods, naturally red as well as

> those that are colored with red dye no. 3, which is practically pure

> iodine.

>

> Within about an hour, even up to 24 hours, I will have fast and/or

> irregular heart beats if I have something that is high in iodine (and

> other things I'm still discovering). Too much tomato, cherries,

> watermelon, and other red fruits and vegs bother me. Even brown food

> such as dates and figs, but not coffee or molasses.

>

> A while back a bunch of us (don't remember which board) were

> discussing that red, orange and brown foods seem to trigger hyper

> symptoms in Graves' people. We figured these had high iodine

> content.

>

> If you are talking about maraschino cherries, they usually have the

> added dyes. I used to live on those, but gave them up quite a while

> ago.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Granny Chris

> ---------

>

>

> > Speaking of berries, how about cherries? I had a bad spell of

> hyper the

> > other night and the only thing I could think of that might have

> > contributed was cherries. Not that I suppose my thyroid needs any

> > excuse... It seems to pretty much do what it wants to!

> >

> > -- in Fla.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

No, you don't have to give up anything. I just mentioned some

foods that might be a problem for some people due to possible iodine

content, and gave some examples of what I had learned about this. I

was just making a suggestion and telling about a personal experience,

because someone had noticed hyper symptoms after drinking cranberry

juice. There may have been a connection, and there may not have been.

This certainly is not an exact science. Everyone is different. Some

may choose to try a process of elimination if they suspect episodes

of hyper symptoms might be triggered by certain foods/beverages.

Some may not have problems with ANY foods/beverages. Who knows?

I apologize for any misunderstanding.

Chris

> > > Speaking of berries, how about cherries? I had a bad spell of

> > hyper the

> > > other night and the only thing I could think of that might have

> > > contributed was cherries. Not that I suppose my thyroid needs

any

> > > excuse... It seems to pretty much do what it wants to!

> > >

> > > -- in Fla.

> >

> >

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is

> > not intended to replace expert medical care.

> > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

treatments.

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[Guest guest]

,

I wouldn't write them off just yet. I'm in what I think may be the

" dying thyroid " stage of post RAI, and I've been having lots of ups and

downs. If no one here knows of a problem with them, there probably

isn't.

I love them too, and have been eagerly waiting for them. A few showed

up at the grocery store a month ago, and they were wonderful. Then

there weren't any until the other day. I think that month between was

harder than the wait all year!

--

Hoffman wrote:

>

> oh don't say that....my favorites are cherries....first grapefruits

> now cherries, and they are just reaching the North...<pout>

>

>

[Guest guest]

grannychristine,

That is a fascinating theory! I'll experiment, when I'm feeling a

little bolder.

You comment about tomatoes made me wonder about something: I've been

eating a lot of tomatoes lately from my brother's garden. He and his SO

are growing a lot of the yellow variety this year. Have you tried

them? Did they make you hyper?

-- in Fla.

[Guest guest]

" S. Rout " wrote:

>

> I wouldn't write them off just yet.

From the Nutritional Health Bible.

" Exceptionally large quantities of iodine are found in the

artificial food additive erythrosine (E127), which is used as a

red colouring for cocktail and glacé cherries. A high

consumption of these foods is not advised if they contain this

additive. "

I believe there is at least one other common red food colouring

with Iodine in as well.

Unprocessed cherries are fine as far as I am aware, and fresh

fruit is generally good for you. Beaware that many processed

foods with cherries have red colouring.

You can buy colouring free Glace cherries for baking.

[Guest guest]

I was talking about unprocessed fresh cherries. Those funky

sugar-and-dye-soaked ones weird me out. I have never been able to look

at them as food. <shudder> Just not my thing.

-- in Fla.

Simon Waters wrote:

>

> " S. Rout " wrote:

> >

> > I wouldn't write them off just yet.

>

> >From the Nutritional Health Bible.

>

> " Exceptionally large quantities of iodine are found in the

> artificial food additive erythrosine (E127), which is used as a

> red colouring for cocktail and glacé cherries. A high

> consumption of these foods is not advised if they contain this

> additive. "

>

> I believe there is at least one other common red food colouring

> with Iodine in as well.

>

> Unprocessed cherries are fine as far as I am aware, and fresh

> fruit is generally good for you. Beaware that many processed

> foods with cherries have red colouring.

>

[Guest guest]

" S. Rout " wrote:

>

> I was talking about unprocessed fresh cherries.

No one lists Cherries as rich in Iodine, or a goitergen, I've

never heard of any reason not to eat them.

I think most red/orange foods get their colours from

antioxidants, like carrots do. Dietary antioxidants are good for

you in general.

Cherries are rich in magnesium, calcium, iron, and vitamin C.

Of course the down side is that they are very sweet, betraying

loads of sugar.

A food list from someone with a peanut skin fixation.

http://www.hypoglycemia.asn.au/articles/rich_sources_nutrients.html

The only fruit listed there as rich in Iodine is pineapple, and

I dare say you can be too obsessed with avoiding Iodine. The big

surprise for me is how much Iodine is in meat products, I knew

all about dairy produce and seafood.

Maybe we should join Arlyn over at alt.support.thyroid with

eating LOADS of fruit, it is what your local zoo probably feed

their primates to keep them in good condition after all

[Guest guest]

Hi -

Thanks for the info on yellow tomatoes. Might be worth a try. I do

have to remove the seeds (sharp-edged little devils) because they

were causing gut irritation (in MY system).

Hi Simon -

I'm really sorry I even brought up the subject. Since food

composition charts rarely list iodine content, I can't prove

my theory. Even the following PDF food comp chart does not list

iodine, so I'm at a disadvantage here. Just going by personal

reactions to red foods. It could be anything.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR14/reports/sr14fg09.pdf

The red foods (NATURAL red food, not the artificially colored ones)

seem to bother me. It could be the high acid, or ANYTHING. I have

read that the natural red color in some foods can indicate iodine,

but cannot find that right now as I'm rushing out the door.

I have a couple of sources to check if I can order the books at the

library. Will get back to you on this when I can.

I'm the first one picking through the bing cherries when they come

out each year, but I can no longer eat 2 pounds in one sitting

anymore without a fast heart rate. Go figure if you wish.

If you want more info on food additives and artificial/synthetic food

colors and dyes, get Consumer Reports Dictionary of Food Additives,

by Ruth Winter, M.S.

Chris

> >

> > I was talking about unprocessed fresh cherries.

>

> No one lists Cherries as rich in Iodine, or a goitergen, I've

> never heard of any reason not to eat them.

>

> I think most red/orange foods get their colours from

> antioxidants, like carrots do. Dietary antioxidants are good for

> you in general.

>

> Cherries are rich in magnesium, calcium, iron, and vitamin C.

>

> Of course the down side is that they are very sweet, betraying

> loads of sugar.

>

> A food list from someone with a peanut skin fixation.

> http://www.hypoglycemia.asn.au/articles/rich_sources_nutrients.html

>

> The only fruit listed there as rich in Iodine is pineapple, and

> I dare say you can be too obsessed with avoiding Iodine. The big

> surprise for me is how much Iodine is in meat products, I knew

> all about dairy produce and seafood.

>

> Maybe we should join Arlyn over at alt.support.thyroid with

> eating LOADS of fruit, it is what your local zoo probably feed

> their primates to keep them in good condition after all

[Guest guest]

Sorry

Didn't mean to jump ship there....getting use to all this is taking some

time...oddly enough, the cherries I ate didn't doa thing to me,. i do

think I may at least cut back on the cranberry intake however, just to

see if it helps.

Thanks...

grannychristine wrote:

> No, you don't have to give up anything. I just mentioned some

> foods that might be a problem for some people due to possible iodine

> content, and gave some examples of what I had learned about this. I

> was just making a suggestion and telling about a personal experience,

> because someone had noticed hyper symptoms after drinking cranberry

> juice. There may have been a connection, and there may not have been.

>

> This certainly is not an exact science. Everyone is different. Some

> may choose to try a process of elimination if they suspect episodes

> of hyper symptoms might be triggered by certain foods/beverages.

> Some may not have problems with ANY foods/beverages. Who knows?

>

> I apologize for any misunderstanding.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

> > > > Speaking of berries, how about cherries? I had a bad spell of

> > > hyper the

> > > > other night and the only thing I could think of that might have

> > > > contributed was cherries. Not that I suppose my thyroid needs

> any

> > > > excuse... It seems to pretty much do what it wants to!

> > > >

> > > > -- in Fla.

> > >

> > >

> > > -------------------------------------

> > > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and

> is

> > > not intended to replace expert medical care.

> > > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

> treatments.

> > > ----------------------------------------

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> > >

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> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi -

We understand the frustration, more than those who have never had

to go through this nightmare.

None of this is easy. We have so much guessing with this

disease. Whether you go with the meds, surgery, RAI, or

nutrition/alternative - it can be a real challenge to feel good.

Some of us are able to resolve many of the problems easily,

and some may need to dig deeper for progress or success.

We may find we are sensitive to certain foods that don't bother

others. Some foods might be a common denominator for MOST

of us, but not others -- such as chocolate, cheddar cheese, fermented

soy sauce, processed meats, gluten (starches), dietary yeast, high

iodine items - to name a few.

Some people may choose to totally eliminate different foods and

beverages that seem to trigger unfavorable symptoms, some may choose

to limit their intake, and some may have no problems with

any of this.

Just research all you can, and only experiment with your diet to

the extent that you are comfortable with this. Ease into

changes when you can. Slow and steady does it.

Good luck to you,

Granny Chris

> > > > > Speaking of berries, how about cherries? I had a bad spell

of

> > > > hyper the

> > > > > other night and the only thing I could think of that might

have

> > > > > contributed was cherries. Not that I suppose my thyroid

needs

> > any

> > > > > excuse... It seems to pretty much do what it wants to!

> > > > >

> > > > > -- in Fla.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -------------------------------------

> > > > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only

and

> > is

> > > > not intended to replace expert medical care.

> > > > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

> > treatments.

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> > > >

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> > > > endorsement of

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[Guest guest]

I'm sorry I wasn't clear on that either.

-------------------------------------

> gluten (starches) I had to answer this not all starches are gluten

nor

> do all grains contain gluten.

[Guest guest]

gluten (starches) I had to answer this not all starches are gluten nor

do all grains contain gluten.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Chris!

grannychristine wrote:

>

> Hi -

>

> We understand the frustration, more than those who have never had

> to go through this nightmare.

>

> None of this is easy. We have so much guessing with this

> disease. Whether you go with the meds, surgery, RAI, or

> nutrition/alternative - it can be a real challenge to feel good.

> Some of us are able to resolve many of the problems easily,

> and some may need to dig deeper for progress or success.

>

> We may find we are sensitive to certain foods that don't bother

> others. Some foods might be a common denominator for MOST

> of us, but not others -- such as chocolate, cheddar cheese, fermented

> soy sauce, processed meats, gluten (starches), dietary yeast, high

> iodine items - to name a few.

>

> Some people may choose to totally eliminate different foods and

> beverages that seem to trigger unfavorable symptoms, some may choose

> to limit their intake, and some may have no problems with

> any of this.

>

> Just research all you can, and only experiment with your diet to

> the extent that you are comfortable with this. Ease into

> changes when you can. Slow and steady does it.

>

> Good luck to you,

> Granny Chris

>

>

>

> > > > > > Speaking of berries, how about cherries? I had a bad spell

> of

> > > > > hyper the

> > > > > > other night and the only thing I could think of that might

> have

> > > > > > contributed was cherries. Not that I suppose my thyroid

> needs

> > > any

> > > > > > excuse... It seems to pretty much do what it wants to!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- in Fla.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -------------------------------------

> > > > > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only

> and

> > > is

> > > > > not intended to replace expert medical care.

> > > > > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

> > > treatments.

> > > > > ----------------------------------------

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> > > > >

> > > > > Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have

> the

> > > > > endorsement of

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

>>>not all starches are gluten nor do all grains contain gluten.<<<

Can you give some examples for me...I am just beginning to look at this.

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jody, Gluten is found in wheat, oats, barley and rye. Wheat includes

spelt, kamut and bulgur. (I didn't know that about spelt, I just found that

when I was looking this up.) There are several cookbooks you can find that

are wheat free or gluten free - one that I like is The Gluten-Free Gourmet,

Living Well Without Wheat, by Bette Hagman. It uses flours made from rice,

tapioca, beans and potato starch for example and has recipes for everything

from breads and desserts to pasta and soup bases and breakfasts.

:)Pam

Re: Re: Questions and doc responses

Hi ,

>>>not all starches are gluten nor do all grains contain gluten.<<<

Can you give some examples for me...I am just beginning to look at this.

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

>>>not all starches are gluten nor do all grains contain gluten.<<<

Can you give some examples for me...I am just beginning to look at this.

Jody

For example Potatoes are a starch, beets, turnips, couscous, rice, peas,

corn but grains do contain starch too.

[Guest guest]

Spelt is an ancient form of wheat that has not been mutated by genetic

engineering like the wheat we eat today. Most wheat-free diets allow spelt

as an alternative. I think the main reason wheat is supposedly bad for

people, is that it's not the wheat that God made anymore. Like most things,

humans have gone in and tried to make a " better " product and ruined it in

the process as far as how useful it is for our health and nutrition.

Holly

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Hi ,

>>>not all starches are gluten nor do all grains contain gluten.<<<

Can you give some examples for me...I am just beginning to look at this.

Jody

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But spelt does have gluten, so it might not work for people that have to

avoid gluten.

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Hi ,

>>>not all starches are gluten nor do all grains contain gluten.<<<

Can you give some examples for me...I am just beginning to look at this.

Jody

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Apparently spelt is forbidden for people with celiac disease, so that is an

issue.

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>>>not all starches are gluten nor do all grains contain gluten.<<<

Can you give some examples for me...I am just beginning to look at this.

Jody

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