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[Guest guest]

Hi Jane,

Welcome to 12-step-free.

Tommy Perkins

http://www.angelfire.com/journal/forcedaa/index.html

> Hi,

>

> I've been going to AA for almost 2 years, and due to a recent

painful

> event have started to realize that AA isnt what I had hoped it

was.

> I have been feeling very afraid to leave although that is really

what

> i want to do. I think mostly I am afraid of starting almost

> completely over with building up a social support system of

friends,

> although I think friends that I could make outside of AA would

> probably be a lot better for me. Anyways, if anyone has any words

of

> advice or anything I'd appreciate it. Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane,

Welcome to 12-step-free.

Tommy Perkins

http://www.angelfire.com/journal/forcedaa/index.html

> Hi,

>

> I've been going to AA for almost 2 years, and due to a recent

painful

> event have started to realize that AA isnt what I had hoped it

was.

> I have been feeling very afraid to leave although that is really

what

> i want to do. I think mostly I am afraid of starting almost

> completely over with building up a social support system of

friends,

> although I think friends that I could make outside of AA would

> probably be a lot better for me. Anyways, if anyone has any words

of

> advice or anything I'd appreciate it. Jane

[Guest guest]

Jane,

I am fairly new myself. I took my last drink when I was 20 years old

on November 27, 1983. I went to meetings, worked the steps, had a

sponsor and all the other goodies that went along with it. I was

extreemely programmed, to the point that when I became ill, I could

not take necessary medication for fear that I would become a drug

addict. Allot of bad stuff happened to me in AA over the years but

since my dad was a member and I sat on the AA Santa's lap, I never

even dared to questin the sanity of AA and it's practices.

Looking back, I am shocked that I even lived and thought that way.

Most of it makes no sense and I totally gave away my will to other

people, most of whom were sociopaths.

I have not been to a meeting in about 2 years and since seeing AA for

what it really is, I never plan on returning. Being in this group

taught me to " think outside of the AA box " .

Now, I can think for myself and I don't have to ask everyone's

permission as to how to run my own life. I don't have to SHARE

(barf) my inner-most feelings with people I don't like, nothing. I

am FREE!!!! I am probably free for the first time in my life.

I never even knew that there the majority of sober people in the

world didn't even use the 12 steps. I didn't even know that other

methods existed and if I did, I would have been " afraid " of them.

No longer do I have to be afraid to go to the store, etc., for fear

of running into some program idiot asking me why I hadn't been to a

meeting. No longer do I have to feel ashamed because I don't do what

the rest of the " flock " does. No longer do I have to stand and hold

hands with somebody I feel uncomfortable around. No longer do I have

to confuse my spirituality with the concepts I had in AA.

I realize that I am a good person and I deserve to be treated with

respect. I think that everybody who has been 12-step brainwashed has

to resolve their issues in their own way at their own pace. Good

luck on your journey.

Welcome and good luck to you.

CAG

> Hi,

>

> I've been going to AA for almost 2 years, and due to a recent

painful

> event have started to realize that AA isnt what I had hoped it

was.

> I have been feeling very afraid to leave although that is really

what

> i want to do. I think mostly I am afraid of starting almost

> completely over with building up a social support system of

friends,

> although I think friends that I could make outside of AA would

> probably be a lot better for me. Anyways, if anyone has any words

of

> advice or anything I'd appreciate it. Jane

[Guest guest]

> Jane,

>

> I am fairly new myself. I took my last drink when I was 20 years

old

> on November 27, 1983. I went to meetings, worked the steps, had a

> sponsor and all the other goodies that went along with it. I was

> extreemely programmed, to the point that when I became ill, I could

> not take necessary medication for fear that I would become a drug

> addict. Allot of bad stuff happened to me in AA over the years but

> since my dad was a member and I sat on the AA Santa's lap, I never

> even dared to questin the sanity of AA and it's practices.

>

> Looking back, I am shocked that I even lived and thought that way.

> Most of it makes no sense and I totally gave away my will to other

> people, most of whom were sociopaths.

>

> I have not been to a meeting in about 2 years and since seeing AA

for

> what it really is, I never plan on returning. Being in this group

> taught me to " think outside of the AA box " .

>

> Now, I can think for myself and I don't have to ask everyone's

> permission as to how to run my own life. I don't have to SHARE

> (barf) my inner-most feelings with people I don't like, nothing. I

> am FREE!!!! I am probably free for the first time in my life.

>

> I never even knew that there the majority of sober people in the

> world didn't even use the 12 steps. I didn't even know that other

> methods existed and if I did, I would have been " afraid " of them.

>

> No longer do I have to be afraid to go to the store, etc., for fear

> of running into some program idiot asking me why I hadn't been to a

> meeting. No longer do I have to feel ashamed because I don't do

what

> the rest of the " flock " does. No longer do I have to stand and

hold

> hands with somebody I feel uncomfortable around. No longer do I

have

> to confuse my spirituality with the concepts I had in AA.

>

> I realize that I am a good person and I deserve to be treated with

> respect. I think that everybody who has been 12-step brainwashed

has

> to resolve their issues in their own way at their own pace. Good

> luck on your journey.

>

> Welcome and good luck to you.

>

> CAG

>

Thanks, CAG. I've been looking lately at finding some organizations

and clubs at the university I go to to join, and hope to meet people

that way, at least it will give me some social activities where I

dont have to worry about people pointing out all of my defects and

asking why I havent been to many meetings etc. I just cant believe

what I got myself into with AA,and that it took me almost 2 years to

realize it. This has been a really painful experience, feeling like

the people I had turned to for help really just wanted to convince me

that I had problems that I didnt even think I had, and how difficult

it is to reason with someone in there if you happen to disagree, esp.

if its your sponsor. God forbid you ever, ever disagree with your

sponsor or dont think a particular topic of discussion is helpful for

you. I was dating a guy around nov, dec last year who relapsed, and

my sponsor actually asked me, " Did he maybe try to break up with you,

and did you maybe threaten to kill yourself to try to keep him, " when

she was trying to figure out why he had relapsed. God, I could go on

forever with examples like that. Im just glad Im out. Jane

[Guest guest]

> Jane,

>

> I am fairly new myself. I took my last drink when I was 20 years

old

> on November 27, 1983. I went to meetings, worked the steps, had a

> sponsor and all the other goodies that went along with it. I was

> extreemely programmed, to the point that when I became ill, I could

> not take necessary medication for fear that I would become a drug

> addict. Allot of bad stuff happened to me in AA over the years but

> since my dad was a member and I sat on the AA Santa's lap, I never

> even dared to questin the sanity of AA and it's practices.

>

> Looking back, I am shocked that I even lived and thought that way.

> Most of it makes no sense and I totally gave away my will to other

> people, most of whom were sociopaths.

>

> I have not been to a meeting in about 2 years and since seeing AA

for

> what it really is, I never plan on returning. Being in this group

> taught me to " think outside of the AA box " .

>

> Now, I can think for myself and I don't have to ask everyone's

> permission as to how to run my own life. I don't have to SHARE

> (barf) my inner-most feelings with people I don't like, nothing. I

> am FREE!!!! I am probably free for the first time in my life.

>

> I never even knew that there the majority of sober people in the

> world didn't even use the 12 steps. I didn't even know that other

> methods existed and if I did, I would have been " afraid " of them.

>

> No longer do I have to be afraid to go to the store, etc., for fear

> of running into some program idiot asking me why I hadn't been to a

> meeting. No longer do I have to feel ashamed because I don't do

what

> the rest of the " flock " does. No longer do I have to stand and

hold

> hands with somebody I feel uncomfortable around. No longer do I

have

> to confuse my spirituality with the concepts I had in AA.

>

> I realize that I am a good person and I deserve to be treated with

> respect. I think that everybody who has been 12-step brainwashed

has

> to resolve their issues in their own way at their own pace. Good

> luck on your journey.

>

> Welcome and good luck to you.

>

> CAG

>

Thanks, CAG. I've been looking lately at finding some organizations

and clubs at the university I go to to join, and hope to meet people

that way, at least it will give me some social activities where I

dont have to worry about people pointing out all of my defects and

asking why I havent been to many meetings etc. I just cant believe

what I got myself into with AA,and that it took me almost 2 years to

realize it. This has been a really painful experience, feeling like

the people I had turned to for help really just wanted to convince me

that I had problems that I didnt even think I had, and how difficult

it is to reason with someone in there if you happen to disagree, esp.

if its your sponsor. God forbid you ever, ever disagree with your

sponsor or dont think a particular topic of discussion is helpful for

you. I was dating a guy around nov, dec last year who relapsed, and

my sponsor actually asked me, " Did he maybe try to break up with you,

and did you maybe threaten to kill yourself to try to keep him, " when

she was trying to figure out why he had relapsed. God, I could go on

forever with examples like that. Im just glad Im out. Jane

[Guest guest]

> Jane,

>

> I am fairly new myself. I took my last drink when I was 20 years

old

> on November 27, 1983. I went to meetings, worked the steps, had a

> sponsor and all the other goodies that went along with it. I was

> extreemely programmed, to the point that when I became ill, I could

> not take necessary medication for fear that I would become a drug

> addict. Allot of bad stuff happened to me in AA over the years but

> since my dad was a member and I sat on the AA Santa's lap, I never

> even dared to questin the sanity of AA and it's practices.

>

> Looking back, I am shocked that I even lived and thought that way.

> Most of it makes no sense and I totally gave away my will to other

> people, most of whom were sociopaths.

>

> I have not been to a meeting in about 2 years and since seeing AA

for

> what it really is, I never plan on returning. Being in this group

> taught me to " think outside of the AA box " .

>

> Now, I can think for myself and I don't have to ask everyone's

> permission as to how to run my own life. I don't have to SHARE

> (barf) my inner-most feelings with people I don't like, nothing. I

> am FREE!!!! I am probably free for the first time in my life.

>

> I never even knew that there the majority of sober people in the

> world didn't even use the 12 steps. I didn't even know that other

> methods existed and if I did, I would have been " afraid " of them.

>

> No longer do I have to be afraid to go to the store, etc., for fear

> of running into some program idiot asking me why I hadn't been to a

> meeting. No longer do I have to feel ashamed because I don't do

what

> the rest of the " flock " does. No longer do I have to stand and

hold

> hands with somebody I feel uncomfortable around. No longer do I

have

> to confuse my spirituality with the concepts I had in AA.

>

> I realize that I am a good person and I deserve to be treated with

> respect. I think that everybody who has been 12-step brainwashed

has

> to resolve their issues in their own way at their own pace. Good

> luck on your journey.

>

> Welcome and good luck to you.

>

> CAG

>

Thanks, CAG. I've been looking lately at finding some organizations

and clubs at the university I go to to join, and hope to meet people

that way, at least it will give me some social activities where I

dont have to worry about people pointing out all of my defects and

asking why I havent been to many meetings etc. I just cant believe

what I got myself into with AA,and that it took me almost 2 years to

realize it. This has been a really painful experience, feeling like

the people I had turned to for help really just wanted to convince me

that I had problems that I didnt even think I had, and how difficult

it is to reason with someone in there if you happen to disagree, esp.

if its your sponsor. God forbid you ever, ever disagree with your

sponsor or dont think a particular topic of discussion is helpful for

you. I was dating a guy around nov, dec last year who relapsed, and

my sponsor actually asked me, " Did he maybe try to break up with you,

and did you maybe threaten to kill yourself to try to keep him, " when

she was trying to figure out why he had relapsed. God, I could go on

forever with examples like that. Im just glad Im out. Jane

[Guest guest]

> Welcome Jane, CAG is right. The whole wide world opens up when you

> get free of the AA shackles. I know the issue of friends seems

hard

> at first. For myself I to turn away from my family and friends to

> join and be an active member of AA. Now, I don't have to avoid

people

> because they aren't " program. "

>

> Very Best!

>

Thanks. Thats true, Im glad I wont have to only hang out with aa

people and that I can be around different kinds of people with all

sorts of different views and ideas about life. Really what is most

appealing is that I wont have to worry about them being overly into

my business and thinking they have the right to tell me how to live

my life etc. Jane

[Guest guest]

> Welcome Jane, CAG is right. The whole wide world opens up when you

> get free of the AA shackles. I know the issue of friends seems

hard

> at first. For myself I to turn away from my family and friends to

> join and be an active member of AA. Now, I don't have to avoid

people

> because they aren't " program. "

>

> Very Best!

>

Thanks. Thats true, Im glad I wont have to only hang out with aa

people and that I can be around different kinds of people with all

sorts of different views and ideas about life. Really what is most

appealing is that I wont have to worry about them being overly into

my business and thinking they have the right to tell me how to live

my life etc. Jane

[Guest guest]

> Welcome Jane, CAG is right. The whole wide world opens up when you

> get free of the AA shackles. I know the issue of friends seems

hard

> at first. For myself I to turn away from my family and friends to

> join and be an active member of AA. Now, I don't have to avoid

people

> because they aren't " program. "

>

> Very Best!

>

Thanks. Thats true, Im glad I wont have to only hang out with aa

people and that I can be around different kinds of people with all

sorts of different views and ideas about life. Really what is most

appealing is that I wont have to worry about them being overly into

my business and thinking they have the right to tell me how to live

my life etc. Jane

[Guest guest]

Christy,

Hi! I'm so glad you found us for support, but sad at the same time that yet

another person needs to find us. I hope you find this group as helpful and

supportive as I have. I've been a member since Krista started it, back in

August of 1999. Please know that we are all here to help you.

{{{HUGS}}}

[Guest guest]

Christy,

Hi! I'm so glad you found us for support, but sad at the same time that yet

another person needs to find us. I hope you find this group as helpful and

supportive as I have. I've been a member since Krista started it, back in

August of 1999. Please know that we are all here to help you.

{{{HUGS}}}

[Guest guest]

Christy

I am sorry for you loss but I am glad you found the

group. I don't know what I would of done without

these great girls, everyone is supportive

knowledgeable. They understand all the emotions that

come with having an ep. It is a long process. Others

say things and even if they don't mean to, they can be

hurtful. I had my ep (had rt tube removed) Dec. 00- It

would of been our first child. No one really says much

about it anymore. I guess they think I am " over it. "

Little do they know that there is not a day that goes

by I don't think about it. I do have alot of good days

now, but boy it can sneak up on you out of nowhere.

Your feelings are normal about your best friend's

baby. Of course you are happy but it can be hard for

some. (still hard for me sometimes when I see newborn

or pg person)

After finding this group I have hope now (still

scared) but hopeful now. There are such wonderful

success stories here and it so inspiring to me when

someone else here finds out they are pg! I hope you

find some hope and peace here. Remember when you feel

you are ready to ttc again and give a

little brother/sister we will be here for you if you

need us. Again, I am sorry.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Christy,

Welcome to the group. Sorry you had the need to find us, but I am

really glad that since you did, we are here. I think you will find

this group to be amazingly supportive. Ask or tell us anything you

want to...we are always here to listen. I'm sorry that you've

already figured out that other people just don't get it. I think

that you are right, they do mean well, they just don't know what to

say. That doesn't make their words hurt any less, though. It's okay

to feel what you're feeling..they're all very normal and natural so

don't ever feel guilty for anything that you are feeling.

I also thought I'd try to help you out with the abbreviations a bit.

If there is anything else you come across that you don't understand,

just ask, and someone will explain, okay?

pg - pregnant, pregnancy

ep - ectopic pg

HPT - home pg test

af - Aunt Flo (your menstrual period)

HCG - can't remember the exact word it stands for but it is the

hormone found in your blood/urine when pg

HSG - hysterosalpingogram - a test to help determine if your tubes

are open

b/w - bloodwork

2ww - 2 week wait (the wait to find out if your pg...time from

ovulation until af arrives...if she does)

ttc - trying to conceive

dh - dear husband, or damn husband...depending on your mood

dp - dear partner, or damn partner

-AmyR

[Guest guest]

Christy,

I am sooo sorry for your loss. You have found a wondeful bunch of women

here who DO understand you... others, unless they have gone through what we

have, just don't understand and think we should be " over it " ....

You will find a lot of support, love, understanding and help here...

Welcome.

lisa r

T.T.F.N.

[Guest guest]

Christy,

I am sooo sorry for your loss. You have found a wondeful bunch of women

here who DO understand you... others, unless they have gone through what we

have, just don't understand and think we should be " over it " ....

You will find a lot of support, love, understanding and help here...

Welcome.

lisa r

T.T.F.N.

[Guest guest]

Christy,

I am so sorry for your loss. Welcome to a very supportive network of

people. It is so nice to talk with other women about an issue we

(unfortunately) all have in common.

I, too, experienced an ep when my daughter was young (18 months old)

and I am just now ttc again. It's frightening, but I feel like along

with the support of my friends and family I have lots of support

right here. It helps a lot. I hope you feel the same outpouring of

support.

My thoughts and prayers are with you, Christy.

[Guest guest]

Christy,

I am so sorry for your loss. Welcome to a very supportive network of

people. It is so nice to talk with other women about an issue we

(unfortunately) all have in common.

I, too, experienced an ep when my daughter was young (18 months old)

and I am just now ttc again. It's frightening, but I feel like along

with the support of my friends and family I have lots of support

right here. It helps a lot. I hope you feel the same outpouring of

support.

My thoughts and prayers are with you, Christy.

[Guest guest]

Christy,

I am so sorry for your loss. Welcome to a very supportive network of

people. It is so nice to talk with other women about an issue we

(unfortunately) all have in common.

I, too, experienced an ep when my daughter was young (18 months old)

and I am just now ttc again. It's frightening, but I feel like along

with the support of my friends and family I have lots of support

right here. It helps a lot. I hope you feel the same outpouring of

support.

My thoughts and prayers are with you, Christy.

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I'm sorry you've been going through this for so long- but so happy you've found this wonderful group!!!! the ladies here really have all the answers you (and your Drs could need.

Does anyone else experience pain with this? My doctor said it should

not hurt as bad as I am describing to her.

yes- I had TERRIBLE pain- I think my regular OB thought I was trying to get "drugs" or something- she kept dismissing me- telling me to take advil and hormones- which just brought more pain with every cycle. This pain is from bleeding back through your tubes- this is good news in that you still have living endometrium- but no way for the blood to escape- your lower uterus is probably scarred together.

Can Ashermans affect your bladder?

I have to say "probably"- I only had 4 cycles before my AS repair- and I had endometriosis by that time- due to the bleeeding back through the tubes- you could have developed quite a case of endometriosis in the past year and a half- I never researched endo- as it was discovered and removed during my repair- but I think I've heard somewhere it can affect other organs.

I can't BELIEVE it could take this long and your Dr STILL doesn't see a real problem- It's INFURIATING- when I finallyfigured it out and diagnosed MYSELF- I demanded a HSG- and had one in a weeks time- I'd call your Dr tomorrow and demand a hystosalpinogram or sonohystogram- to begin diagnosing this- I hope you find some help soon

, Mike, Brenna Jordan Ross-born 9/26/97(VSD, PS- open heart surgery 1/29/98), and Jaden Kalyan Ross-born in Cambodia July 15, 2001 home with us forever May 3, 2002, Colin Spencer Ross- born July 27, 2002, Baby Angel born still 11/7/00, and Riley and Snoozer the dogs

Join us again next year in remembering the millions of people affected by CHD on 2/14/2003: "A Day for Hearts: Congenital Heart Defects Awareness Day!"

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I'm sorry you've been going through this for so long- but so happy you've found this wonderful group!!!! the ladies here really have all the answers you (and your Drs could need.

Does anyone else experience pain with this? My doctor said it should

not hurt as bad as I am describing to her.

yes- I had TERRIBLE pain- I think my regular OB thought I was trying to get "drugs" or something- she kept dismissing me- telling me to take advil and hormones- which just brought more pain with every cycle. This pain is from bleeding back through your tubes- this is good news in that you still have living endometrium- but no way for the blood to escape- your lower uterus is probably scarred together.

Can Ashermans affect your bladder?

I have to say "probably"- I only had 4 cycles before my AS repair- and I had endometriosis by that time- due to the bleeeding back through the tubes- you could have developed quite a case of endometriosis in the past year and a half- I never researched endo- as it was discovered and removed during my repair- but I think I've heard somewhere it can affect other organs.

I can't BELIEVE it could take this long and your Dr STILL doesn't see a real problem- It's INFURIATING- when I finallyfigured it out and diagnosed MYSELF- I demanded a HSG- and had one in a weeks time- I'd call your Dr tomorrow and demand a hystosalpinogram or sonohystogram- to begin diagnosing this- I hope you find some help soon

, Mike, Brenna Jordan Ross-born 9/26/97(VSD, PS- open heart surgery 1/29/98), and Jaden Kalyan Ross-born in Cambodia July 15, 2001 home with us forever May 3, 2002, Colin Spencer Ross- born July 27, 2002, Baby Angel born still 11/7/00, and Riley and Snoozer the dogs

Join us again next year in remembering the millions of people affected by CHD on 2/14/2003: "A Day for Hearts: Congenital Heart Defects Awareness Day!"

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I'm sorry you've been going through this for so long- but so happy you've found this wonderful group!!!! the ladies here really have all the answers you (and your Drs could need.

Does anyone else experience pain with this? My doctor said it should

not hurt as bad as I am describing to her.

yes- I had TERRIBLE pain- I think my regular OB thought I was trying to get "drugs" or something- she kept dismissing me- telling me to take advil and hormones- which just brought more pain with every cycle. This pain is from bleeding back through your tubes- this is good news in that you still have living endometrium- but no way for the blood to escape- your lower uterus is probably scarred together.

Can Ashermans affect your bladder?

I have to say "probably"- I only had 4 cycles before my AS repair- and I had endometriosis by that time- due to the bleeeding back through the tubes- you could have developed quite a case of endometriosis in the past year and a half- I never researched endo- as it was discovered and removed during my repair- but I think I've heard somewhere it can affect other organs.

I can't BELIEVE it could take this long and your Dr STILL doesn't see a real problem- It's INFURIATING- when I finallyfigured it out and diagnosed MYSELF- I demanded a HSG- and had one in a weeks time- I'd call your Dr tomorrow and demand a hystosalpinogram or sonohystogram- to begin diagnosing this- I hope you find some help soon

, Mike, Brenna Jordan Ross-born 9/26/97(VSD, PS- open heart surgery 1/29/98), and Jaden Kalyan Ross-born in Cambodia July 15, 2001 home with us forever May 3, 2002, Colin Spencer Ross- born July 27, 2002, Baby Angel born still 11/7/00, and Riley and Snoozer the dogs

Join us again next year in remembering the millions of people affected by CHD on 2/14/2003: "A Day for Hearts: Congenital Heart Defects Awareness Day!"

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am a relatively new member and I am also awaiting my hysteroscopy,

which is scheduled for Oct. 22. I wanted to comment on your question

about pain. I also experience a lot of pelvic pain around the time I

should get my period. I also have a constant white discharge since

this all started. Sometimes I experience a mucous (sp?)type

discharge just before I should be ovulating. Does that sound

familiar? I live on the east coast so I do not know of a doctor in

your area. Have you checked the data base on this site for an A or B

list doctor in your area? Good luck with all of this.

in PA

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am a relatively new member and I am also awaiting my hysteroscopy,

which is scheduled for Oct. 22. I wanted to comment on your question

about pain. I also experience a lot of pelvic pain around the time I

should get my period. I also have a constant white discharge since

this all started. Sometimes I experience a mucous (sp?)type

discharge just before I should be ovulating. Does that sound

familiar? I live on the east coast so I do not know of a doctor in

your area. Have you checked the data base on this site for an A or B

list doctor in your area? Good luck with all of this.

in PA

[Guest guest]

Hello

Welcome to the group. I am so sorry that you have to be here. I too

am a new member I was lucy to find this group in July.

Let me tell you that you are NOT CRAZY the pain is real. It is so

disturbing when doctors do not take our pain seriously. I let my

doctors get away with it for months until I found this group. Having

to deal with as is enough, we should not have to deal with pain that

is not taken seriously too. I feel why should I have to deal with the

pain without the JOYS of a period.

I have learned so much from this group. I could not wait to tell my

ob that he was not qualified to do a hysteroscopy on me. He double

blinked and asked if I hate him. I said YES. He said he was sorry and

acknowledged that it was his fault. He is such a nice man but he made

a mistake that may cause me my fertility.

Now I am seeing an A list dr (Dr. Palter) I live in New York.

From what I have read it is important to get a doctor that has

treated many as cases which equals an A list dr. I have also learned

that there is hope several women have regained their period and have

gone on to have children.

I wish you the very best of luck,

Audrey

> Hi I am a new member and trying to find out as much about Ashermans

> as possible. I went to the web-site today and was suprised when I

> read everyones stories. Gwen's story was hauntingly familiar right

> down the the tachycardia, which I also still experience.

> I delivered my daughter on 1/25/01 a week later I had a d and c and

> now almost two years later I have still not had a normal period.

No

> one understands. My doctor makes me feel as though I am nuts and

my

> friends all think not having a period would be great. I tell them

> that just because I don't bleed normally does not mean I don't

> experinece the same symptoms monthly if not worse. For the first

> year after my daughters birth I had no bleeding at all but I

> experienced a lot of pain on a monthly basis. I was able to keep a

> calendar and realized the pain always feel around the same time.

My

> doctor said this was normal because I had breast fed for a year and

> that would explain the absence of my period. I now have severe

pain

> in my abdomin and I do experience slight bleeding. It is a dark

> brown (dried blood) discharge that I get after about 2 days of

> intense pain. It only last for about one day. The doctor says

this

> is good and it should give me hope. I experience pain on a daily

> basis but it gets worse around the week my period should be.

> I have so many questions I do not know where to start? I should

say

> I still have not had my hysteroscopy to confirm the Ashermans but I

> hae been on hormone treatments for the last year trying to induce

my

> blood flow. Nothing has worked. I will be getting my hysteroscopy

> soon.

>

> Does anyone else experience pain with this? My doctor said it

should

> not hurt as bad as I am describing to her.

>

> Can Ashermans affect your bladder?

>

> Does anyone live in the Seattle, WA area and know of a good doctor?

>

> Thank you,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello

Welcome to the group. I am so sorry that you have to be here. I too

am a new member I was lucy to find this group in July.

Let me tell you that you are NOT CRAZY the pain is real. It is so

disturbing when doctors do not take our pain seriously. I let my

doctors get away with it for months until I found this group. Having

to deal with as is enough, we should not have to deal with pain that

is not taken seriously too. I feel why should I have to deal with the

pain without the JOYS of a period.

I have learned so much from this group. I could not wait to tell my

ob that he was not qualified to do a hysteroscopy on me. He double

blinked and asked if I hate him. I said YES. He said he was sorry and

acknowledged that it was his fault. He is such a nice man but he made

a mistake that may cause me my fertility.

Now I am seeing an A list dr (Dr. Palter) I live in New York.

From what I have read it is important to get a doctor that has

treated many as cases which equals an A list dr. I have also learned

that there is hope several women have regained their period and have

gone on to have children.

I wish you the very best of luck,

Audrey

> Hi I am a new member and trying to find out as much about Ashermans

> as possible. I went to the web-site today and was suprised when I

> read everyones stories. Gwen's story was hauntingly familiar right

> down the the tachycardia, which I also still experience.

> I delivered my daughter on 1/25/01 a week later I had a d and c and

> now almost two years later I have still not had a normal period.

No

> one understands. My doctor makes me feel as though I am nuts and

my

> friends all think not having a period would be great. I tell them

> that just because I don't bleed normally does not mean I don't

> experinece the same symptoms monthly if not worse. For the first

> year after my daughters birth I had no bleeding at all but I

> experienced a lot of pain on a monthly basis. I was able to keep a

> calendar and realized the pain always feel around the same time.

My

> doctor said this was normal because I had breast fed for a year and

> that would explain the absence of my period. I now have severe

pain

> in my abdomin and I do experience slight bleeding. It is a dark

> brown (dried blood) discharge that I get after about 2 days of

> intense pain. It only last for about one day. The doctor says

this

> is good and it should give me hope. I experience pain on a daily

> basis but it gets worse around the week my period should be.

> I have so many questions I do not know where to start? I should

say

> I still have not had my hysteroscopy to confirm the Ashermans but I

> hae been on hormone treatments for the last year trying to induce

my

> blood flow. Nothing has worked. I will be getting my hysteroscopy

> soon.

>

> Does anyone else experience pain with this? My doctor said it

should

> not hurt as bad as I am describing to her.

>

> Can Ashermans affect your bladder?

>

> Does anyone live in the Seattle, WA area and know of a good doctor?

>

> Thank you,

>

>