Re: Soy

[Guest guest]

Hi Marla:

I've had colitis for a year and a half and started the SCD at the

beginning of November. I'm a bit of a rookie so keep that in mind

when reading my input.

>

> I wanted to verify that soy is illegal. The nutritionist gave my daughter an

Omega 3 supplement that has a small amount of soy in it.

Soy is illegal, mostly due to the fact that most soy you find has been

genetically modified and highly processed not to mention plenty of

other negative attributes. I'm sure you've read this but it's worth a

re-read:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/soy.htm

> Just wanted everyone's opinion if they felt it was the supplement.

Nearly impossible to say, but it's possible. What's unknown is

whether it was the soy or whatever else is in the supplement. On

omega-3 fish oil supplement is generally considered the best.

> Also, she still feels achey most of the time, flu like achey. Is that normal

for it to always be there?

Not normal. Not sure what it could be but let me think about it a

bit. I've heard of things like this before but let me refresh my

memory.

> She has celiac disease, this bacterial overgrowth and a thyroid issue that she

takes iodine drops for. She's 13.

There's some discussion of thyroid issues in BTVC and in other SCD

resources. I can't quote the details but it's something you want to

investigate.

> Here's another question. She's been drinking Knudson's juice, but the

Cranberry Nectar one, not the Just Juices ones. She seems to do ok with it. By

drinking that, is that harming her or not healing her gut - if it's illegal? Or

can she drink it since she has no side effects from it?

I'm not a fan of fruit juices in general since they're quite sweet

(albeit legal), even the unsweetened ones, and some people tend to

drink a lot of it. They're pretty concentrated and can throw off the

pH balance in the gut. A couple of recommendations in order of

preference:

- Eliminate it

- Make your own

- Make sure it's not sweetened

- Dilute it 50/50 with water

> Also, here is where I am totally confused. Her food intolerances were dairy

and egg whites. But with this diet, you can have eggs, and butter and hivarti

cheese (as well as some others). So can she have eggs and butter and hivarti or

not, since they are food intolerances?

If she has intolerences, no, but a lot depends on how the intolerances

were determined. I'm not an expert but if she was tested when her gut

was out of whack you may have gotten false findings. You could try

introducing them as outlined in BTVC or any of the SCD sites but make

sure she is quite stable before trying.

> This whole thing is so confusing to me.

Amen sister. I'm continually learning that it's not easy. As a

matter of fact it's extremely difficult and I have only myself to

worry about, never mind the complication of a 13 year-old.

> The diet makes sense, but then when you put the food intolerances in to the

mix, it gets harder and harder to do. (I had the gluten free diet down to a

science for the last 2 years with her. This is so much harder.)

Amen sister (oops -- already said that). It's really tough but I'm

very optimistic it's worthwhile.

Best of luck,

Doug in MA

UC June '07

SCD Nov '08

[Guest guest]

At 12:10 PM 11/18/2008, you wrote:

I wanted to verify that soy is

illegal. The nutritionist gave my daughter an Omega 3 supplement

that has a small amount of soy in it.

Soy is illegal. However, many Vitamin E in supplements is derived from

Soy, so if the Omega 3 supplement has added Vitamin E in it, then that's

why. I'm stop-breathing sensitive to soy, like tofu and so forth, so it

was sure no hardship for me to give up. I have not (so far) reacted to

soy-based Vitamin E, or soy-derived liquid lecithin.

>> She's been drinking Knudson's juice, but the Cranberry Nectar

one, not the Just Juices ones. She seems to do ok with it. By

drinking that, is that harming her or not healing her gut - if it's

illegal? Or can she drink it since she has no side effects from it?

<<

I would be exceptionally wary of this juice. I've had things which were

borderline legal which I didn't think I was reacting to, only to find out

that I was reacting to it.

Sorry about answering on the eggs and cheese. I'm having an argument with

my computer. My keyboard died, and the one I'm working on is a pain to

type on.

—

Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

>Also, she still feels achey most of the time, flu like achey. <

Hi!

Have you tried giving her a magnesium supplement

(with the evening meal)?

As for the diet being tricky... why? give her a piece of

meat/chicken/fish at every meal plus some cooked vegetables.

That is so easy! We rotate between several firm favourites in this house:

chicken wings with squash and carrots, ground beef with

chili/onion/garlic/tomato/squash, salmon with cooked veges,

chicken curry, steak and grilled veges.

If I am too tired to cook I make an omelet (though I personally feel

better if I don't eat that often).

I can't imagine eating any yummier food than what we are already eating!

For breakfast we eat yogurt and maybe a banana. If she wants a snack

in the evening she gets a bowl of raisins, peeled apple and some nuts

(but NO peanuts, they are a bean, not a nut, and stop our digestion

straight off)

On weekends we might make some cake with nuts or some nut brittle.

We drink water except for weekends when my daughter gets to buy a

small sugar-free soda. She loves her diet and wants to eat like this

forever. It makes her feel good.

If you find dairy and eggs tricky - just avoid them for awhile!

You don't have to make muffins, etc.

best wishes

cecilia with (soon) 12 yo daughter

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply. I really do appreciate it.

She does do a magnesium supplement already.

We do eat the meat, fish, chicken and veggies. It just gets old after awhile.

What do you mean by ground beef with chili, onion, garlic, tomato and squash?

Can't do omelette or yogurt due to the food intolerance of dairy and egg whites.

What are your recipes for cake with nuts and nut brittle?

Please get back to me at your convenience.

Marla

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:19:26 AMSubject: Re: Soy>Also, she still feels achey most of the time, flu like achey. <Hi!Have you tried giving her a magnesium supplement (with the evening meal)?As for the diet being tricky... why? give her a piece ofmeat/chicken/fish at every meal plus some cooked vegetables.That is so easy! We rotate between several firm favourites in this house:chicken wings with squash and carrots, ground beef withchili/onion/garlic/tomato/squash, salmon with cooked veges,chicken curry, steak and grilled veges.If I am too tired to cook I make an omelet (though I personally feel

better if I don't eat that often).I can't imagine eating any yummier food than what we are already eating!For breakfast we eat yogurt and maybe a banana. If she wants a snackin the evening she gets a bowl of raisins, peeled apple and some nuts(but NO peanuts, they are a bean, not a nut, and stop our digestion straight off)On weekends we might make some cake with nuts or some nut brittle.We drink water except for weekends when my daughter gets to buy asmall sugar-free soda. She loves her diet and wants to eat like this forever. It makes her feel good.If you find dairy and eggs tricky - just avoid them for awhile! You don't have to make muffins, etc.best wishescecilia with (soon) 12 yo daughter------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

hello again

>We do eat the meat, fish, chicken and veggies. It just gets old after

>awhile.<

when food gets old, it usually means you are eating too much! LOL

But seriously, sometimes it is better to eat just a little and get exercise.

If food feels boring, maybe you just aren't hungry enough yet.

>What do you mean by ground beef with chili, onion, garlic, tomato and

>squash?<

I fry onions, garlic and chili, then grate squash on top and

let it cook for a little, (and red bell pepper if I have any at

home, they are so expensive here) then I add ground beef and

stir every now and then until done. I might add a little tomato

paste at the end if I remember. Then I dice tomatoes (and

cucumber sometimes) and quickly fry in another pan and then

add that while still chewy. This is probably my daughter's

favourite dish, she eats it like 5 times a week (she has a lunch

box with her to school and eats the same there as home).

>Can't do omelette or yogurt due to the food intolerance of dairy and egg

>whites.<

I don't do so well on either of them too. I never thought I was

sensitive to eggs before I went on SCD but I notice now a

difference in the day following days I eat egg (I get more tired

and more easily upset and feel a little spaced out). I should really

try to go egg free for a few weeks and then reintroduce it.

>What are your recipes for cake with nuts and nut brittle? <

There are a lot of scdrecipes for cakes. I can't eat the egg+nut

ones so I make a dough out of almond flour, butter and a little

honey. I can fill a pan with blueberries and crumble the mixture

on top and pop in the oven. Nice!

I make nut brittle by roasting and combining different nuts and

mixing them into a toffee mixture then pouring it out onto a sheet

and freezing. I have a " secret weapon " when I make nut brittle

that you should be able to use - cocoa butter. I buy mine from

a chocolate shop. The good thing about cocao butter is that it

is hard at room temperature. It also gives a soft background

taste, that you recognize from chocolate, which is very satisfying.

Anyway I make my toffee mixture with both butter and cocoa

butter, but you could try just using cocoa butter. I cook metric

so it is really hard for me to give a recipe, but if interested the

proportions I use: 3.39 fluid oz honey and 1.8 oz fat

(butter and cocoa butter). This amount makes more than

enough for me and my daughter to share.

I let the honey boil a littel first to get rid of some liquid and then

stir in the fat, let simmer for a short while, and then add the nuts.

I also only use acacia honey for the toffee because it has a

milder honey taste. We also make a plain toffe sometimes,

or just add some chopped roasted almonds.

have a happy weekend!

OT : my daughter is preforming with her school on the town

square (singing a song from HSM) and then she and her friends

are having a party here. I have promised them chicken curry

(they are so envious of her yummy school lunches) and then

they are going to make toffee on ice (I am going to make lots

of crushed ice and then they can pour the hot toffee onto it

and make hearts and things LOL)

Cecilia

[Guest guest]

At 12:40 AM 11/20/2008, you wrote:

I fry onions, garlic and chili,

then grate squash on top and

let it cook for a little, (and red bell pepper if I have any at

home, they are so expensive here) then I add ground beef and

stir every now and then until done. I might add a little tomato

paste at the end if I remember. Then I dice tomatoes (and

cucumber sometimes) and quickly fry in another pan and then

add that while still chewy. This is probably my daughter's

favourite dish, she eats it like 5 times a week (she has a lunch

box with her to school and eats the same there as

home).

This sounds delicious. I do have to point out, though, that commercially

prepared tomato paste is not SCD legal. You can, however, simmer down

tomato juice, or some additional tomatoes, and add that. What kind of

chili pepper do you use?

—

Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the recipe. What do you mean by chili? You fry onions, garlic and chili. What's chili? chili peppers? I have never bought them.

Marla

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:14:06 AMSubject: Re: Re: Soy

At 12:40 AM 11/20/2008, you wrote:

I fry onions, garlic and chili, then grate squash on top andlet it cook for a little, (and red bell pepper if I have any athome, they are so expensive here) then I add ground beef andstir every now and then until done. I might add a little tomatopaste at the end if I remember. Then I dice tomatoes (andcucumber sometimes) and quickly fry in another pan and thenadd that while still chewy. This is probably my daughter'sfavourite dish, she eats it like 5 times a week (she has a lunchbox with her to school and eats the same there as home).This sounds delicious. I do have to point out, though, that commercially prepared tomato paste is not SCD legal. You can, however, simmer down tomato juice, or some additional tomatoes, and add that. What kind of chili pepper do you use?

— Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund