Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 > Also in another post someone mentioned using cocoa butter - I was > just wondering, for future reference, if that was legal. (<g> fingers > crossed) That was me. I never even thought it might not be legal - it is just fat and the illegals include starches, right? I use pure cocoa butter made for confectioners, there is nothing else in it cecilia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 On Nov 20, 2008, at 10:36 AM, wrote: >> Also in another post someone mentioned using cocoa butter - I was >> just wondering, for future reference, if that was legal. (<g> >> fingers >> crossed) > > That was me. I never even thought it might not be legal - it is just > fat > and the illegals include starches, right? Not in all cases. Some of them have chemical structures that Elaine thought might have a negative effect on people with IBD. For example, the reason Elaine limited green tea to two cups a day has to do with the chemical structure and its effect. > I use pure cocoa butter made > for confectioners, there is nothing else in it Mara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Wait a minute -- is this cocoa butter " legal? " And what exactly is it and where do you get it and what do you use it in? It sounds too much like chocolate to be " legal " ? And too good to be true. Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 At 02:57 PM 11/21/2008, you wrote: Wait a minute -- is this cocoa butter " legal? " And what exactly is it and where do you get it and what do you use it in? It sounds too much like chocolate to be " legal " ? And too good to be true. It is the fat derived from the cocoa bean. Of course it sounds too good to be true. But keep in mind that corn and soy oils have been considered legal. I wouldn't touch corn oil if you paid me because of the probability of the corn being GMO, and the amount of pesticides used on the corn crop. I also won't do soy oil because I am stop-breathing allergic to soy... though I can tolerate the VItamin E derived from soy, AND I can tolerate soy lecithin. (I believe the Sheila, on Pecan Bread, says that soy oil is illegal because of the possibility of soy proteins being left in the oil.) MY major concern with the cocoa butter is that it may not have all the stuff refined out of it which is problematic in chocolate. I have some, and plan to experiment with it. When I get a chance to experiment, I can probably tell you in a couple weeks whether the stuff I have is OK or not. I am at a point where a tiny amount of (about 20 grams) of special dark (Lindt 99%) cocoa does not give me overt issues. However, I stop losing weight, and continue to not lose weight for several weeks after ingesting the chocolate. This tells me that my bad bugs are still there and active, and that the chocolate hands them a smorgasbord. If I make something which is otherwise legal with cocoa butter and I quit losing weight, that will tell me that food grade cocoa butter will not work for me. I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to experiment on this, but between recovery from the cancer surgery, and now adjusting to treatment for sleep apnea, my kitchen experiments have gone down the tubes.... and I have got to get to work on Thursday's feast! — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 > >Wait a minute -- is this cocoa butter " legal? " And what exactly is it > >and where do you get it and what do you use it in? It sounds too much > >like chocolate to be " legal " ? And too good to be true. > > It is the fat derived from the cocoa bean. Of > course it sounds too good to be true. But keep in > mind that corn and soy oils have been considered > legal. I wouldn't touch corn oil if you paid me > because of the probability of the corn being GMO, > and the amount of pesticides used on the corn > crop. I also won't do soy oil because I am > stop-breathing allergic to soy... though I can > tolerate the VItamin E derived from soy, AND I > can tolerate soy lecithin. (I believe the Sheila, > on Pecan Bread, says that soy oil is illegal > because of the possibility of soy proteins being left in the oil.) > > MY major concern with the cocoa butter is that it > may not have all the stuff refined out of it > which is problematic in chocolate. I have some, > and plan to experiment with it. When I get a > chance to experiment, I can probably tell you in > a couple weeks whether the stuff I have is OK or not. > > I am at a point where a tiny amount of (about 20 > grams) of special dark (Lindt 99%) cocoa does not > give me overt issues. However, I stop losing > weight, and continue to not lose weight for > several weeks after ingesting the chocolate. This > tells me that my bad bugs are still there and > active, and that the chocolate hands them a > smorgasbord. If I make something which is > otherwise legal with cocoa butter and I quit > losing weight, that will tell me that food grade > cocoa butter will not work for me. > > I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to experiment on > this, but between recovery from the cancer > surgery, and now adjusting to treatment for sleep > apnea, my kitchen experiments have gone down the > tubes.... and I have got to get to work on Thursday's feast! > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Hello Everyone: Does anyone have tasty recipes made with cocoa butter? Thanks much, GERDS and chronic C SCD 8 months *************** > THank you for your thoughts on cocoa butter. I anxiously await your > experience with it and hope that it works for you. I did google it and > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 > Hello Everyone: > > Does anyone have tasty recipes made with cocoa butter? I was just thinking this morning that it would be lovely to make a desert out of pureed chestnuts and cocoa butter, maybe with some real butter or ghee and honey added in as well. Mara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 isnt it illlegalor are you talking about coconut butter Hello Everyone: Does anyone have tasty recipes made with cocoa butter? Thanks much, GERDS and chronic C SCD 8 months *************** > THank you for your thoughts on cocoa butter. I anxiously await your > experience with it and hope that it works for you. I did google it and > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 At 06:32 PM 11/28/2008, you wrote: isnt it illlegal or are you talking about coconut butter Chocolate and cocoa are illegal. But cocoa butter is probably legal as long as it is the pure fat. I plan to test some and see, since I know how my gut reacts to Lindt 99% cocoa chocolate in small amounts. The Lindt is also illegal, but at seven years on the diet, I wanted to try adding a few non-SCD things here and there, and, not unsurprisingly, chose chocolate as one of the things to add. Much to my sorrow, the bad bacteria in my gut liked the chocolate as well as I did! — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 <Much to my sorrow, the bad bacteria in my gut liked the chocolate as well as I did!< I tested my daughter and me on a teaspoon of cocoa powder with honey and butter and we both got splitting headaches, plus she woke up in the middle of the night with a cramping stomache and nausea. I was surprised we had such a violent reaction, but we are sensitive to all other kinds of beans, so why not cocoa beans as well... We tested it, because my daughter was talking about maybe having some chocolate for Christmas and I said, why not try some cocoa first. I think she has changed her mind now ;-) I spent last evening reading through Elaine Gottschalls answers to SCD-eaters. She seems to have been a fiesty woman! I am confused about starch. I tried butternut squash again and it turned my guts into concrete again. I looked it up on the net and it is a very starchy vegetable. Why is it allowed on the SCD diet when sweet potatoes are not? This is a queston I would like to ask. Cecilia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 At 01:40 AM 11/29/2008, you wrote: I tested my daughter and me on a teaspoon of cocoa powder with honey and butter and we both got splitting headaches, plus she woke up in the middle of the night with a cramping stomache and nausea. I was surprised we had such a violent reaction, but we are sensitive to all other kinds of beans, so why not cocoa beans as well... We tested it, because my daughter was talking about maybe having some chocolate for Christmas and I said, why not try some cocoa first. I think she has changed her mind now ;-) Well, I'm sorry to hear that you both had bad reactions to the cocoa, 'cause I know how fond of chocolate I used to be. I still like the taste (which came back to tasting good after a period of tasting really bad), which makes it that much harder to leave that partial bar of 99% chocolate sitting on the shelf. (In fact, my husband took it to his office, because it was driving me crazy.) I've referenced, several times, my adventure of carrots and chocolate. You folks may recall that I've mentioned multiple times that when I started SCD, I did not like, nor did I tolerate carrots, which are supposed to be an easy-to-digest vegetable. Carrots tasted nasty to me. Months into SCD, I decided to give carrots a try again, being bored with green beans, spinach, and zucchini. Interestingly, carrots tasted good to me at this point, and did not cause a reaction. So I added carrots to my repertoire. About four months later, we went to see a friend who was visiting from Ireland. Knowing she loved dark chocolate, someone had gifted her with a bag of Ghiradelli Special Dark Miniatures. But she had no room in her suitcase for them, so she gave them to us. They sat on a shelf in the dining room for a very long time, calling my name plaintively. Finally, I succumbed. I told my husband that I was going to have one small piece, knowing full well that the result was probably going to be diarrhea for several days -- but dang, I wanted that chocolate! I took a piece down and SMELLED it.... ah! the aroma! I unwrapped it reverently, and SMELLED it again. Ooooooh..... so I bit into it. And it tasted dreadful. I handed the partly eaten piece to my husband, saying that there was no point in eating an illegal if it didn't even taste good. My taste buds and my system were now accustomed to an entirely different type of eating. Then I wailed, " It's not FAIR! Exchanging CARROTS for CHOCOLATE?! " I will note that in the years since then, chocolate does taste good to me again... but my gut still reacts to it. Which makes it that much harder to not have. Not if I'm to achieve full healing. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 At 01:40 AM 11/29/2008, you wrote: I spent last evening reading through Elaine Gottschalls answers to SCD-eaters. She seems to have been a fiesty woman! I am confused about starch. I tried butternut squash again and it turned my guts into concrete again. I looked it up on the net and it is a very starchy vegetable. Why is it allowed on the SCD diet when sweet potatoes are not? This is a queston I would like to ask. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Marilyn, your answer did not come through. I am also interested in this answer, though I know one is a tuber and the other a vegetable, I am also curious why we can have one and not the other. Thanks, Terry Re: Re: cocoa butter At 01:40 AM 11/29/2008, you wrote: I spent last evening reading through Elaine Gottschalls answers to SCD-eaters. She seems to have been a fiesty woman! I am confused about starch. I tried butternut squash again and it turned my guts into concrete again. I looked it up on the net and it is a very starchy vegetable. Why is it allowed on the SCD diet when sweet potatoes are not? This is a queston I would like to ask. - Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 At 04:08 PM 11/29/2008, you wrote: Marilyn, your answer did not come through. I am also interested in this answer, though I know one is a tuber and the other a vegetable, I am also curious why we can have one and not the other. Sorry -- we had a thunderstorm and I had an argument with the computer as I had to shut it down quickly. I'll have to recompose it, 'cause I forgot what I was going to say! — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 There is a recipe (and picture) for Cocoa-butter Cupcakes at http://milkforthemorningcake.blogspot.com/2008/08/comforting-cocoa-butter-cupcak\ es-dairy.html. They sound delicious! Holly Crohn's SCD 12/01/08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Thanks Holly. Those sound good. Mara > There is a recipe (and picture) for Cocoa-butter Cupcakes at > http://milkforthemorningcake.blogspot.com/2008/08/comforting-cocoa-butter-cupcak\ es-dairy.html > . > They sound delicious! > > Holly > Crohn's > SCD 12/01/08 > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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