Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I suspect this might be an issue for me too. Did she mention what test was needed to determine glucose dysregulation? I wonder if someone who is pre-diabetic may also have problems with getting T3 in cells. SammieB > > Val, I emailed Dr. Lowe's wife/secretary (not sure which title) with a brief note on my inability to get t3 into my cells. > > this is her response: > > " Usually when someone has > difficulty on higher dosages of cynomel, it is due to underlying > conditions that have yet to be addressed. Most often, it is a glucose > dysregulation and Dr. Lowe identifies it pretty quickly " > > Val, does this make sense to you? (I have had difficulty tolerating any carbs for a few years already and my blood glucose is on the low end most of the times, even during the three hours of a glucose tolerance test) Do you think this might be the missing piece? Maybe my inability to absorb ferritin is only one piece of the puzzle? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Val had also recommended I check my blood glucose levels, so seems she is aware of some sort of connection. Thing is I'm waiting a long time for my online order of my glucose monitor kit (hope it arrives by tomorrow). She did not mention which test, but I did check his site where he writes which tests are to be done before coming to him. This group knows it already: blood pressure, basal temps, pulse, and a few more items.... Whether or not a pre-diabetic would have a problem getting t3 into the cells, I hope the mods can respond to that one. To: RT3_T3 Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 10:11:01 PMSubject: Re: Val: glucose issue? I suspect this might be an issue for me too. Did she mention what test was needed to determine glucose dysregulation? I wonder if someone who is pre-diabetic may also have problems with getting T3 in cells.SammieB>> Val, I emailed Dr. Lowe's wife/secretary (not sure which title) with a brief note on my inability to get t3 into my cells. > > this is her response:> > "Usually when someone has> difficulty on higher dosages of cynomel, it is due to underlying> conditions that have yet to be addressed. Most often, it is a glucose> dysregulation and Dr. Lowe identifies it pretty quickly"> > Val, does this make sense to you? (I have had difficulty tolerating any carbs for a few years already and my blood glucose is on the low end most of the times, even during the three hours of a glucose tolerance test) Do you think this might be the missing piece? Maybe my inability to absorb ferritin is only one piece of the puzzle?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Miriam why do you think the T3 is not gettign to your cells? You are not on that much are you? What they do to test is a Glucose Tolerance Test which you cna actually do at home. But whne you have high RT3 blocking the receptors you need look no further ad THAT is plenty ot stop T3 fom reaching the cells. ALSO low cortisol prevents T3 from reachign the cells. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 > I emailed Dr. Lowe's wife/secretary (not sure which title) with a brief note on my inability to get t3 into my cells. this is her response: " Usually when someone has difficulty on higher dosages of cynomel, it is due to underlying conditions that have yet to be addressed. Most often, it is a glucose dysregulation and Dr. Lowe identifies it pretty quickly " =========== Interesting. This might help explain why I had no problem restoring T3 to my cells even though my ferritin is 47. I eat a VERY high fat, modest protein, low carb diet and have no glucose dysregulation at all. As some of you know I'm now on an experiment with Symlin to help overcome my Leptin Resistance, and I've found that my experience with it as a NON-diabetic, and as someone who eats a high fat diet to be very different than the average user. No nausea, no appetite suppressed -- and I've lost 3.2 pounds of fat, not water -- in the first week. Just thinking out loud . . . http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Leptin_Resistance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I hear you Val! How many weeks of HC will enable t3 to get to my cells? After 6 weeks of HC my free t3 was only 2..5. And I was supplementing with iron all this time and my ferritin was 15 on this same labwork. I can't go higher on the t3 yet the longer I remain on a low dose the longer it will take for me to be able to take in iron. I'm inflamed and achy for at least two and a half weeks already. I don't know if more HC is the answer, but maybe it is. I do get sleepy after taking a good dose of it, which is the same reaction I get when I eat a fruit. (I used to eat a fruit or piece of cookie as a sleep aid; but I'm off all that now) I feel stuck.. Your support is very much appreciated To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 4:02:17 AMSubject: Re: Val: glucose issue? Miriam why do you think the T3 is not gettign to your cells? You are not on that much are you? What they do to test is a Glucose Tolerance Test which you cna actually do at home. But whne you have high RT3 blocking the receptors you need look no further ad THAT is plenty ot stop T3 fom reaching the cells.. ALSO low cortisol prevents T3 from reachign the cells.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I hear you Val! How many weeks of HC will enable t3 to get to my cells? After 6 weeks of HC my free t3 was only 2..5 OK First thing.. This si NOT that T3 cannot get to your cells, btu TOO LOW A DOSE. When T3 cannot get to the cells it goe sHIGH in blood labs, not low. You simply have too low a dose yet to feel it. What your labs are showing is oyur body IS gettign i to the cells oyu just need more of it. BUT due to your low ferritin you need ot use caution raising it, but TRY a small increase every week or so and if no BAD effects continue to increase it. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Val, my rt3 as of 12/24/09 is <17, so it seems to have cleared. I've been off levoxyl since Nov. 12. If my rt3 has cleared I should be getting some t3 to my cells at this point, right? Thanks to all your encouragement; it helps me get through this rough time To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 9:08:50 AMSubject: Re: Val: glucose issue? I hear you Val! How many weeks of HC will enable t3 to get to my cells? After 6 weeks of HC my free t3 was only 2..5. And I was supplementing with iron all this time and my ferritin was 15 on this same labwork. I can't go higher on the t3 yet the longer I remain on a low dose the longer it will take for me to be able to take in iron. I'm inflamed and achy for at least two and a half weeks already. I don't know if more HC is the answer, but maybe it is. I do get sleepy after taking a good dose of it, which is the same reaction I get when I eat a fruit. (I used to eat a fruit or piece of cookie as a sleep aid; but I'm off all that now) I feel stuck.. Your support is very much appreciated From: <artisticgroomer@ jfwebs.com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, January 12, 2010 4:02:17 AMSubject: Re: Val: glucose issue? Miriam why do you think the T3 is not gettign to your cells? You are not on that much are you? What they do to test is a Glucose Tolerance Test which you cna actually do at home. But whne you have high RT3 blocking the receptors you need look no further ad THAT is plenty ot stop T3 fom reaching the cells.. ALSO low cortisol prevents T3 from reachign the cells.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Yes BUT you stil have very lwo ferritin. Another blocade that prevents oyu from raising the T3 DOSE high enough. As I said though it is fine to TRY raising it, just if oyu get anxiety fom ti, then back off and just hold while you work on raising the ferritin more. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I'm not sure I can handle a raise now. These vibrations going through my body, not sure it's due to too much iron supplements or inflammation. I have pretty painful ear inflammation and this is something I have had over the years when I had sugar in my diet. As long as I was sugar-free and dairy-free (gluten free is a given) my ears were fine. As soon as I consumed sugar or dairy the ear inflammation came back. I have been off sugar and dairy for a long time now and therefore I am stumped as to my recent bout of earaches. The only thing I can think of is the glucocorticoids (not sure of the exact word) I am using. Come to think of it, the fludro is quite powerful and I have to wonder about its effect in terms of sugar. What else can explain the earaches that I am getting while being off of food sources of sugar and dairy???? The only other sugar in my diet is HC and fludro. just trying to figure things out....thanks for your patience with me To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 9:49:43 AMSubject: Re: Val: glucose issue? Yes BUT you stil have very lwo ferritin. Another blocade that prevents oyu from raising the T3 DOSE high enough. As I said though it is fine to TRY raising it, just if oyu get anxiety fom ti, then back off and just hold while you work on raising the ferritin more.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 HC and Fludro do NOT have sugar in them. Didn;t you discover a liver problem? Ity is possible thi is using up all your cortils leaving not much to operat cell funciotns wiht. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 So you think the high AST/ALT is eating up my cortisol? Hm...so just stay at a higher dose of HC now? I'm so confused; it's hard to know what came first, the chick or the egg.... I've only developed the high AST/ALT since being on HC. I've been severely hypothyroid after my surgery (TSH of 80) and my liver was not a problem (normal levels of AST/ALT). The only time I've had this liver prob is when I started taking HC. To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:06 AMSubject: Re: Val: glucose issue? HC and Fludro do NOT have sugar in them. Didn;t you discover a liver problem? Ity is possible thi is using up all your cortils leaving not much to operat cell funciotns wiht.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 LOW cortisl causes your low glucose. With what you ar tellign me here wiht the glucose and low BP you oossibly need mroe HC. But the T3 is simply because your Ferritin is too low but as it builds form the iron you are taking you will be able to tolerate more T3 until then you WILL have heart pounding and some anxiety and symotms . -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 So you think the high AST/ALT is eating up my cortisol? That si not doing it but what ever is CAUSING them to be hig if it is INFECTION can eat cortils by the ton. Whne adrenals are healthy they can double ot triple their output when you have an infction to help fight it. YES sugar issues can worsen when you start HC until you are oj ENOUGH of it sue to the supression. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Val, I've also suspected I may need more HC. I have been doing 37.5 past few days but think I may need more. My body is vibrating/trembling/parkinsonian for awhile already. I've been thinking, lack of sleep is stressful on the adrenals and with all my sleepless nights I ought to have been stress-dosing on those days following sleepless nights....too late now... How much HC should I try? I'm not doing too much better on 37.5, but not sure how high to go. Yes, the bp is consistently low. I thought the HC would bring it up, and the first two weeks on hc it did go up to normal levels. But it is back down to the 110 over 65/70 range. Thanks again for the hand-holding:) To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 3:47:18 PMSubject: Re: Val: glucose issue? LOW cortisl causes your low glucose. With what you ar tellign me here wiht the glucose and low BP you oossibly need mroe HC. But the T3 is simply because your Ferritin is too low but as it builds form the iron you are taking you will be able to tolerate more T3 until then you WILL have heart pounding and some anxiety and symotms .-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Val, I'm paying attention to my body's response to the HC, or what have ya here...and this is what I have thus far: Was due for HC dose at 6:30 but could not wait; at 6 p.m I took 5 mg. HC and had a protein/fat snack. At 6:45 my shakiness was getting worse (felt hypoglycemic) so took another 2.5 mg. At 7:15 the shakiness was still bad so I took another 5 mg and checked bp after 4 minutes of sitting still: 114 over 73 with a pulse of 76. At 7:45 I felt better in terms of the shakiness and I felt sleepy. So checked bp to see if that would match my sleepiness: 113 over 68 with a pulse of 73. So like I said, I get the same effect from HC as I get from having a carb meal. My bp goes down. Any insight? Thanks a lot! To: RT3_T3 Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 3:47:18 PMSubject: Re: Val: glucose issue? LOW cortisl causes your low glucose. With what you ar tellign me here wiht the glucose and low BP you oossibly need mroe HC. But the T3 is simply because your Ferritin is too low but as it builds form the iron you are taking you will be able to tolerate more T3 until then you WILL have heart pounding and some anxiety and symotms .-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Val, if possible, can you explain that statement. I'm not sure I understand. Thank you, Kathleen YES sugar issues can worsen when you start HC until you are oj > ENOUGH of it sue to the supression. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Val, if possible, can you explain that statement. I'm not sure I understand. Thank you, Kathleen YES sugar issues can worsen when you start HC until you are oj > ENOUGH of it sue to the supression. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 HC does not chang eBP wiht A dose. It takes several weeks for BPO changes ot happen from most things. The onyl htings thta change it rapidly would be adrenaline which is released when hypoglycemic or lwo in coritls so why yo get the same symptoms. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Sugar issues worsen wiht TOO LOW a dose of HC as it is actuall ylowering your coritls more than it is replacing. Same as too low a thyroid dose lowers your own production more than it replaces. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 wow! So I've been underdosing on HC? So how much should I take? To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 5:20:51 AMSubject: Re: Re: Val: glucose issue? Sugar issues worsen wiht TOO LOW a dose of HC as it is actuall ylowering your coritls more than it is replacing. Same as too low a thyroid dose lowers your own production more than it replaces.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Most oif us need to treat low glucose two ways, first ENOUGH HC and second LOW carb diets an I htink you already eat pretty low carb if I remember right. You wil have to tell me how you are dosing HC now for me ot give oyu a better dosing schedule. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Yes, I'm on a low carb diet. I had been dosing 10, 7.5, 7.5, 2.5, 2.5, Then with your help switched to 10, 7.5, 5, 5, 2.5, 2.5 yet it did not help me fall asleep better at night. Yesterday and the day before I just took extra hc whenever I felt shakey. This morn I woke up 5 a.m. shakey so I took 10 mg and fell asleep until 7:30 (woken by alarm clock) and took my regular morning dose of 10 mg. BTW, I had eaten a can of sardines at 9 p.m. (was aleep by 11 without any sleep aids; seems the 12.5 hc in the eve helped me sleep) Can I take 12.5 for my first dose, or is it too high? Thank you so much! To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 7:44:49 AMSubject: Re: Re: Val: glucose issue? Most oif us need to treat low glucose two ways, first ENOUGH HC and second LOW carb diets an I htink you already eat pretty low carb if I remember right. You wil have to tell me how you are dosing HC now for me ot give oyu a better dosing schedule.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 It would probably be OK for a couple weeks but then I would try to reduce it agian. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Val, I am finding that the 7.5 doses and the 5 and the 2.5 doses are no longer giving me the effect; it seems too small for me or last very short time. Thanks for your help! To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 8:29:14 AMSubject: Re: Re: Val: glucose issue? It would probably be OK for a couple weeks but then I would try to reduce it agian.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo.. com/group/ RT3_T3/http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Val, I came up with this schedule, for a total of 45 hc per day. (As the 37.5 did not give me stable temps and I feel I can use more based on my symptoms). What do you think of this schedule? 12.5, 10, 7.5, 7.5, 5, 2.5 beginning at 7:30 a.m., every three hours. I'd really like to do every four hours but then I'd want to start with a 15 mg. dose and not sure it's advisable to take such a high starting dose. Though this morn I had 10 at 5 a.m and 10 at 7:40 a.m. and had protein/fat/veggies for breakfast at 9 a.m. and at 10 a.m. I am shaky. This shakiness, could it be due to low t3? You said I can try raising t3 so I raised it from 30 to 35 yesterday (though my temps are unstable, so not sure I should be raising yet; but then again, I had been raising slowly, but when I hit 40 it was too much for me so I went back to 30; it's already a week on 30 so figured I'd take a chance and go up to 35) I always thought heart pounding/palps/fluttering were from too much thyroid hormone, but you say it's the low thyroid...hm...I will stay put for a few days and see what happens.... Val, one day I will say, 'remember when I peppered you with questions and complaints...it's all history and I'm feeling fabulous!' I can't wait for that day! (How long? a year?) Thanks a million for your help! To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 9:07:06 AMSubject: Re: Re: Val: glucose issue? Val, I am finding that the 7.5 doses and the 5 and the 2.5 doses are no longer giving me the effect; it seems too small for me or last very short time. Thanks for your help! From: <artisticgroomer@ jfwebs.com>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Wed, January 13, 2010 8:29:14 AMSubject: Re: Re: Val: glucose issue? It would probably be OK for a couple weeks but then I would try to reduce it agian.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo. . com/group/ RT3_T3/http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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