Re: Upping from 20 to 25 mcg T3...

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>Would it be wise to wait til I get my Ferritin result before I up the dose or

can I just try it now? Yes I am anxious... :-)

Try it, you are less likely to get ferritin type effects with the bed

time dose and more likely to improve sleep quality

Nick

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Didn't try it yet. Will do soon I guess. Worried about my Ferritin. Cause... Ok, I don't getthat pressure/tightness in the chest/heart anymore. BUT yesterday, after taking my4th T3 dose (total: 20 mcg) I got this tickling in my heart which lasted for hours.. It is soscary cause it reminds me about that time in January 2008 when I got fibrillation of somesort! I wonder.. Did HIGH cortisol that time give me fibrillation while taking 40 mcg T3 and100 mcg T4? Cause I have "high" cortisol now with 27.5 mg HC in my haven't I? High inserum anyways... Just VERY scared, that's all!Sometimes I wonder if I should've stayed on ERFA Thyroid and just have increased it...Maybe I would've been feeling GOOD now... Nick, are you totally sure that a ratio of14.8 means I have a

rT3-issue?And why do I get more and more muscle cramps, say in my arm, chest, and eyelids? :pT.>

 

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>Would it be wise to wait til I get my Ferritin result before I up the dose or can I just try it now? Yes I am anxious... :-)

Try it, you are less likely to get ferritin type effects with the bed

time dose and more likely to improve sleep quality

Nick

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> Nick, are you totally sure that a ratio of14.8 means I have a rT3-issue?

The figures I have heard are 18 or 20 as ratios.

IF your ratio is bad due to very low FT3 and you can bring that up

without the RT3 increasing then you MIGHT be able to do it without

going T3 only.

If the RT3 was high causing the poor ratio, say over 250 or the FT4 is

above 1.4 and the FT3 won't come up then you will need T3 only.

Nick

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>BUT yesterday, after taking my4th T3 dose (total: 20 mcg) I got this tickling

in my heart which lasted for hours..

How long after the dose and how long did the feeling last??

Nick

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Well I think it even started before that dose... But it got worse after I took it.. And lasted for 2-3 hours after I took the last T3 dose at least..This feeling is something I haven't felt since I took T3 the last time (back in Janaury 2008) right before I got the fibrillation.So something, I think, is causing my to not tolerate T3 as well. I had high Ferritin back Then, but I've also had those darn infected tonsils for years, so who knows if we can trust the Ferritin-results at all!?!?I either had high or low cortisolw hen I got the fibrillation. Something was going on with my adrenals for sure.T.

>BUT yesterday, after taking my4th T3 dose (total: 20 mcg) I got this tickling in my heart which lasted for hours..

How long after the dose and how long did the feeling last??

Nick

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BTW: The first time I got irregular heartbeat in a long, long time, was in December, when I started taking ERFA Thyroid. I was stayed in the hospital overnight because of that. Then it happened again on Friday, twice I got that horrible irregular heartbeat.I'm just wondering what's going on. And if what I'm doing is safe. Either taking T3-only is a bad idea for me at all, or maybe I just increase the dose too slowly? Or it's a combo with the low ferritin.Nevertheless I feel I'm playing with my life here...

>BUT yesterday, after taking my4th T3 dose (total: 20 mcg) I got this tickling in my heart which lasted for hours..

How long after the dose and how long did the feeling last??

Nick

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>I'm just wondering what's going on. And if what I'm doing is safe. Either

taking T3-only is a bad idea for me at all, or maybe I just increase the dose

too slowly? Or it's a combo with the low ferritin.

My feeling, and your labs, says too slow.

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>Nevertheless I feel I'm playing with my life here...

The benefit is feeling well enough to actually do things and enjoy

life

Nick

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Val has also said that a high ferritin can be from inflammation and NOT really that the iron in itself it in the normal range. So that could have been a false reading back then and been by you had such a hard time with the T3 back then.

From: Gibcast

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:30 AM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: Re: Upping from 20 to 25 mcg T3...

Well I think it even started before that dose... But it got worse after I took it.. And lasted for 2-3 hours after I took the last T3 dose at least..

This feeling is something I haven't felt since I took T3 the last time (back in Janaury 2008) right before I got the fibrillation.

So something, I think, is causing my to not tolerate T3 as well. I had high Ferritin back Then, but I've also had those darn infected tonsils for years, so who knows if we can trust the Ferritin-results at all!?!?

I either had high or low cortisolw hen I got the fibrillation. Something was going on with my adrenals for sure.

T.>BUT yesterday, after taking my4th T3 dose (total: 20 mcg) I got this tickling in my heart which lasted for hours..How long after the dose and how long did the feeling last??Nick

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Low iron can also cause irregular heartbeat. Look up the symptoms for low iron levels. They mimic many symptoms of hypoT. See below, but my research has also show a-fibrillation.

WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS OF IRON DEFICIENCY

With all the possible consequences from iron deficiency, you can see the extraordinary impact of low iron and why this is such an important topic. An iron deficient person would not have all of these symptoms, but some constellation of them. With 5 or more, consider iron problems.

Depression Fatigue Listlessness, weakness, decreased work productivity Impaired learning and cognitive function ADD and ADHD type behavioral disturbances Developmental delay in infants and young children Poor memory Decreased attention span and increased distractibility Impaired reactivity and coordination Irritability Dizziness Appetite loss Cravings for non foods such as ice, dirt or clay Constipation Difficulty swallowing (because low iron may cause a thin membrane to grow across the esophagus) Joint soreness Night time leg cramps Asthma Sores on skin, or itching Poor wound healing Can cause excessive menstrual bleeding Hair loss (LOW IRON IS A FREQUENTLY OVERLOOKED CAUSE OF HAIR LOSS) Headaches Sore or burning tongue Soreness in corners of the mouth Brittle, flat, or spoon shaped nails Longitudinal ridges on nails Heart palpitations on exertion Shortness of breath Cold extremities, with decreased resistance to cold and poor regulation of body temperature Tendency to recurrent infections Chronic bladder infections Anemia (hypo chromic, microcytic) paleness, weakness, drowsiness, fatigue Numbness & tingling Night sweats Fragile bones Growth impairment in children Eye soreness Vague gastrointestinal symptoms: belching, gas, nausea Vitiligo (light blotches on the skin) Swelling in the ankles Bluish tint to the whites of the eyes Visual disturbances Papilledema (swelling inside the eye) Enhanced heavy metal absorption and risk for toxicity. Those with low iron will have an increased GI absorption of metals which is not specific for iron, so will absorb more lead, cobalt, cadmium, mercury. High blood levels of lead are more common in children with low iron.

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Thanks. I think I read about this somewhere. Is this commonly known to all doctors and people?I even feel like "uh oh I don't take iron right now" cause I'm stopping it for 5 days to take that blood sample to check my real Ferritin value!At the same time, I felt very weak while taking 150 mg chelated iron. I have not calmed myself down about taking such an amount of iron yet. What if it is indeed too much for my body. Serum iron was high in the top range of s-iron while taking 100 mg iron.I also fear upping T3 from 20 to 25 mcg while NOT taking any iron. MAYBE I would be better off waiting til Friday when I get my Ferritin result and take iron again?Subject: Re: Upping from 20 to 25 mcg T3...To: RT3_T3 Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 3:36 PM

 

Low iron can also cause irregular heartbeat. Look up the symptoms for low iron levels. They mimic many symptoms of hypoT. See below, but my research has also show a-fibrillation.

 

WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS OF IRON DEFICIENCY

With all the possible consequences from iron deficiency, you can see the extraordinary impact of low iron and why this is such an important topic. An iron deficient person would not have all of these symptoms, but some constellation of them. With 5 or more, consider iron problems.

Depression Fatigue Listlessness, weakness, decreased work productivity Impaired learning and cognitive function ADD and ADHD type behavioral disturbances Developmental delay in infants and young children Poor memory Decreased attention span and increased distractibility Impaired reactivity and coordination Irritability Dizziness Appetite loss Cravings for non foods such as ice, dirt or clay Constipation Difficulty swallowing (because low iron may cause a thin membrane to grow across the esophagus) Joint soreness Night time leg cramps Asthma Sores on skin, or itching Poor wound healing Can cause excessive menstrual bleeding Hair loss (LOW IRON IS A FREQUENTLY OVERLOOKED CAUSE OF HAIR LOSS) Headaches Sore or burning tongue Soreness in corners of the mouth Brittle, flat, or spoon shaped nails Longitudinal ridges on nails Heart palpitations on exertion Shortness of breath Cold extremities, with decreased resistance to cold and poor regulation of body temperature Tendency to recurrent infections Chronic bladder infections Anemia (hypo chromic, microcytic) paleness, weakness, drowsiness, fatigue Numbness & tingling Night sweats Fragile bones Growth impairment in children Eye soreness Vague gastrointestinal symptoms: belching, gas, nausea Vitiligo (light blotches on the skin) Swelling in the ankles Bluish tint to the whites of the eyes Visual disturbances Papilledema (swelling inside the eye) Enhanced heavy metal absorption and risk for toxicity. Those with low iron will have an increased GI absorption of metals which is not specific for iron, so will absorb more lead, cobalt, cadmium, mercury. High blood levels of lead are more common in children with low iron.

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>I also fear upping T3 from 20 to 25 mcg while NOT taking any iron. MAYBE I

would be better off waiting til Friday when I get my Ferritin result and take

iron again?

Iron changes slowly, it won't make any odds to the iron now or then,

you will have less T3 in you and be more hypo by Friday though

The further you go into hypo the harder it is to hang onto the iron

Nick

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Talked to my specialist today. She is very worried about my heart and is very insecure about the T3-only path for me. She said increasing T3 has certain risks to it, and I can feel it with every heartbeat. Maybe my body is trying to tell me............... I need more iron! She said I could take zinc and selenium. They will support my body in so many ways that I cannot stop taking them. And I should increase Vitamin C to at least 10.000 mg daily. As for my tonsil operation, she said I should do it. But I must talk to the docs that are gonna do the operation, cause I don't have a normal health.. My heart is weird and.. I'm hypo and all.. But she repeated for me that I am a very mysterious example. I don't have low temps, and.. There are many things in me that don't match any typical hypo-patients image.This sucks...--- On

Mon, 1/18/10, Nick Foot wrote:

 

>I also fear upping T3 from 20 to 25 mcg while NOT taking any iron. MAYBE I would be better off waiting til Friday when I get my Ferritin result and take iron again?

Iron changes slowly, it won't make any odds to the iron now or then,

you will have less T3 in you and be more hypo by Friday though

The further you go into hypo the harder it is to hang onto the iron

Nick

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I just don't like this feeling I have in my chest/heart.. It really reminds me of that time I got that fibrillation 2 years ago.. Also in January month.. :\ I'm thinking.. Ferritin? Ok. I wanna raise it. Then I'm thinking.. Maybe I just can't take T3-meds at all? Or maybe my heart is feeling like this now because T3 ain't getting to the cells, but, then again, why didn't my heart feel like this all thru the rest of 2008 and 2009 until December 2009 when I started taking ERFA Thyroid? Hmmm... There is something weird about all this... Something... Why do I only get this feeling with the heart when I take T3..... .. . Is Ferritin it? I can't believe my Ferritin was falsely high for many years due to infection. Does that mean my Ferritin can be falsely high now cause of my infected tonsils? Then I should just stop taking T3 asap. This is too

scary.T.

>I also fear upping T3 from 20 to 25 mcg while NOT taking any iron. MAYBE I would be better off waiting til Friday when I get my Ferritin result and take iron again?

Iron changes slowly, it won't make any odds to the iron now or then,

you will have less T3 in you and be more hypo by Friday though

The further you go into hypo the harder it is to hang onto the iron

Nick

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Just upped from 20 to 25 mcg T 3 guys.. Hope it'll be ok!

When I got the fibrillation January 2008, I was not taking HC (probably should have at that time!), I was not taking iron (my Ferritin was high though..) but I was also taking 20 mcg T3 at once, when I woke up, and before I went to bed. 20 mcg T3 at once is a lot. So... I hope my chances of NOT getting the fibrillation are slimmer now when I take 5 mcg T3 at a time!Does this logic make sende Nick or Val or anyone else? :)PS! Why do I have that super irritation twitching eyelid now? I haven't had it for DECADES! (Literally.)

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Btw, my pulse just dropped from 72 to 60 or so 25 minutes after taking my fifth 5 mcg T3 dose today. (Total 25 mcg!) Normal? *laughs* My body is a joke!

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>Btw, my pulse just dropped from 72 to 60 or so 25 minutes after taking my fifth

5 mcg T3 dose today. (Total 25 mcg!) Normal? *laughs* My body is a joke!

Low T3 = produce more cortisol. Can't produce the cortisol so lets

produce adrenaline instead.

Adrenaline = fast pulse, wired stimulated feeling, " hard heart beat " ,

and anxiety.

Nick

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So you mean the addition of more T3 actually MAKES my pulse slower, and it's a good thing? :)Thanks!

>Btw, my pulse just dropped from 72 to 60 or so 25 minutes after taking my fifth 5 mcg T3 dose today. (Total 25 mcg!) Normal? *laughs* My body is a joke!

Low T3 = produce more cortisol. Can't produce the cortisol so lets

produce adrenaline instead.

Adrenaline = fast pulse, wired stimulated feeling, "hard heart beat",

and anxiety.

Nick

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>So you mean the addition of more T3 actually MAKES my pulse slower, and it's a

good thing?

>Thanks!

That's what it looks like to me based on symptoms and without labs to

confirm it.

The increase in T3 stops your pulse being forced artificially high by

adrenaline. You are not seeing the hypo pulse rate because of it being

masked by adrenaline.

As you increase T3 and are able to tolerate those increases then the

pulse will creep up slowly but you were not seeing your " real " pulse,

you were seeing a version stimulated the wrong way!

Nick

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Btw does anyone know why I feel more sleepy, just sleepy, today after upping to 25 mcg T3?

T.

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>Btw does anyone know why I feel more sleepy, just sleepy, today after upping to

25 mcg T3?

Less adrenaline????

Nick