Re: Upping from 20 to 25 mcg T3... + latest electrolytes!

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Very interesting and enlightening Nick! Thanks! I will continue with 25 mcg. When do you recon I can increase to 30? I guess the goal is.. 80ish mcg of T3 daily?Latest electrolytes: (I only did sodium and potassium as they are the most important onces right?)Sodium: 144 (is it bad to have it near the top range? range: 137 - 145)Potassium: 4.3 (same as last time 2 weeks ago, good to have it near the top range as well? range: 3.6 - 4.6)I might have had some salted water before the test was made though. That can affect the results, right? Like.. 1 cup 1 hour before the test or something? Should one not eat or drink anything before doing the electrolytes?

>So you mean the addition of more T3 actually MAKES my pulse slower, and it's a good thing?

>Thanks!

That's what it looks like to me based on symptoms and without labs to

confirm it.

The increase in T3 stops your pulse being forced artificially high by

adrenaline. You are not seeing the hypo pulse rate because of it being

masked by adrenaline.

As you increase T3 and are able to tolerate those increases then the

pulse will creep up slowly but you were not seeing your "real" pulse,

you were seeing a version stimulated the wrong way!

 

Nick

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>Very interesting and enlightening Nick! Thanks! I will continue with 25 mcg.

When do you recon I can increase to 30? I guess the goal is.. 80ish mcg of T3

daily?

I am guessing you will be ready for it in 5 to 10 days. Hopefully you

will learn how your body feels when you need more and be ready to

increase while keeping an eye on temperature and pulse.

What you have just seen is why hyper is represented by pulse AND

temperature being high.

>Latest electrolytes: (I only did sodium and potassium as they are the most

important onces right?)

>Sodium: 144 (is it bad to have it near the top range? range: 137 -

145)Potassium: 4.3 (same as last time 2 weeks ago, good to have it near the top

range as well? range: 3.6 - 4.6)

>I might have had some salted water before the test was made though. That can

affect the results, right? Like.. 1 cup 1 hour before the test or something?

Should one not eat or drink anything before doing the electrolytes?

They seem reasonable to me, keep going as you are. Val may have more

to add about those.

Nick

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No electrolytes shoud be doe fastign to be sure of the levels. They can

change very quickly dform ingesting sodium.

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So that means.. 1/5th of a tea spoon of sea salt makes my sodium stay at 144 for an hour.. Which means.. I should drink 1/5th of a tea spoon sea salt 5 times daily. 5 big sips. So 1 tea spoon total is fine then. Right?Will I be fine eating a banana daily with that potassium level?

 

No electrolytes shoud be doe fastign to be sure of the levels. They can

change very quickly dform ingesting sodium.

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Doesn;t work thta way,. DOing differnt things will change your sodium

levels and needs. Most adrenal insufficient peole need abotu 1.5-2

teaspoons extra salt daily.

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Well what I've been doing in the past few weeks is drinking 1 tea spoon (not really topped.. what do you recommend?) in 1 liter (0.25 gallon) of water daily in a juice bottle. I sip on it thru the day...Subject: Re: Upping from 20 to 25 mcg T3... + latest electrolytes!To: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 3:20 PM

 

Doesn;t work thta way,. DOing differnt things will change your sodium

levels and needs. Most adrenal insufficient peole need abotu 1.5-2

teaspoons extra salt daily.

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Hi guys..Super-sleepy again. 2 hours after I take 7.5 mg HC and 5 mcg T3, I am just SOOO sleepy. Any ideas why?Also, they sprayed antibac in my hand at the new local turkisk restaurant. Maybe the antibac was too hard on me? I hear essential oils are bad for sick people? 

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Lowering anxiety and adrenaline.

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That may be. In fact, I feel soooo sleepy and, well ,sick, that I want to go to bed now at 11 pm, which to me is... Unheard of! The last time I went to bed before midnight was when I was 13 years old. It's been a while. But now I  _want_ to get to bed. My body is telling me to do so!SO... I need to know: I need to take my last T3 dose at 2 am. Should I put my alarm on 2 am to take the T3? This is very important for me to know!Subject: Re: Upping from 20 to 25 mcg T3... + latest electrolytes!To: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday,

January 19, 2010, 9:38 PM

 

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>That may be. In fact, I feel soooo sleepy and, well ,sick, that I want to go to

bed now at 11 pm, which to me is... Unheard of! The last time I went to bed

before midnight was when I was 13 years old. It's been a while. But now I

_want_ to get to bed. My body is telling me to do so!

>SO... I need to know: I need to take my last T3 dose at 2 am. Should I put my

alarm on 2 am to take the T3? This is very important for me to know!

Take it now and go to bed, when was the last one, a few hours ago

wasn't it?

You are not on iron, no reason to delay

nick

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But isn't it bad for my heart to take T3 so close to each other? Just took my fourth dose now, 45 minutes ago at 22:30 pm. :\ So I definitely need to wait til 2 am. That's 3 hours and 30 minutes.I will do the Ferritin test tomorrow morning at 11 am. Is it ok to take T3 at 2 am and also take my FT3 at 11 am then?

>That may be. In fact, I feel soooo sleepy and, well ,sick, that I want to go to bed now at 11 pm, which to me is... Unheard of! The last time I went to bed before midnight was when I was 13 years old. It's been a while. But now I  _want_ to get to bed. My body is telling me to do so!

>SO... I need to know: I need to take my last T3 dose at 2 am. Should I put my alarm on 2 am to take the T3? This is very important for me to know!

Take it now and go to bed, when was the last one, a few hours ago

wasn't it?

You are not on iron, no reason to delay

nick

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>But isn't it bad for my heart to take T3 so close to each other? Just took my

fourth dose now, 45 minutes ago at 22:30 pm. :\ So I definitely need to wait til

2 am. That's 3 hours and 30 minutes.

>I will do the Ferritin test tomorrow morning at 11 am. Is it ok to take T3 at 2

am and also take my FT3 at 11 am then?

Ah, thought it was a 7.30 dose

Go to bed, if you sleep then don't take it

If you wake in the night and it's before 3 then take it. If it's after

3 don't take it

Take it with you so you can take it as soon as you have the blood

taken

Nick

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I look at the T3 doses as something I need to take a certain times, intervals, you know, with 3-4 hours in between them. If I miss a dose, it can be very bad. You're telling me I actually CAN miss that dose at 2 am and be fine tomorrow? Won't my level go down respecively then? Hmmm...SO tired and sleepy now.And why do I have those darn grey/black areas under my eyes? Never had it before! More and more in the past 2 years...

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>But isn't it bad for my heart to take T3 so close to each other? Just took my fourth dose now, 45 minutes ago at 22:30 pm. :\ So I definitely need to wait til 2 am. That's 3 hours and 30 minutes.

>I will do the Ferritin test tomorrow morning at 11 am. Is it ok to take T3 at 2 am and also take my FT3 at 11 am then?

Ah, thought it was a 7.30 dose

Go to bed, if you sleep then don't take it

If you wake in the night and it's before 3 then take it. If it's after

3 don't take it

Take it with you so you can take it as soon as you have the blood

taken

Nick

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Do you mean if I wake naturally before 2? I won't I guess. I feel I will fall asleep fast now. Its 00:30 now. I wanna sleeeep... But should I wake myself up with an ALARM at 2 to take my T3 or what?SO SLEEPY - .

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>But isn't it bad for my heart to take T3 so close to each other? Just took my fourth dose now, 45 minutes ago at 22:30 pm. :\ So I definitely need to wait til 2 am. That's 3 hours and 30 minutes.

>I will do the Ferritin test tomorrow morning at 11 am. Is it ok to take T3 at 2 am and also take my FT3 at 11 am then?

Ah, thought it was a 7.30 dose

Go to bed, if you sleep then don't take it

If you wake in the night and it's before 3 then take it. If it's after

3 don't take it

Take it with you so you can take it as soon as you have the blood

taken

Nick

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When I get a sodium result of 144 after only drinking a little sea salt that morning, should I drink less sea salt then?I also wonder when I should further increase my T3. Maybe I shoul do a new blood test with FT3/FT4/TSH/rT3 before I do so? I have decided to test my blood tomorrow. Ferritin + metabolism. 

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T3 resistance. Well I have no idea what's wrong with my body. Can anyone tell me why I don't get tachycardia anymore? That's just plan WEIRD. The tachycardia stopped 1 1/2 years before I got onto HC. And actually, right after my fibrillation when we quit T3 meds for me. HMMM!Ok, so I was just a little active, got some food at the local grocery store, warmed up some chicken burgers and eat some. Then I measured my temp orally which showed 37.6 which is 0.6 too much. I immediately thought that I am taking "too much T3" (for my body to tolerate anyway, due to low Ferritin? low cortisol?) - Anyway, my mouth was possibly a little warmer due to the burger meat. So I am measuring again now 10 minutes later and I'm getting a lower reading (37.1). However, I also measured the temp rectally 10-15 minutes ago when I felt hot, and got an ever higher

temp at 37.8. So that should at least be a correct reading. What does this mean? Is it too much T3 for me, or simply.. A virus or an infection (Tonsils) ? I took my last T3 dose 3 1/2 hours ago so it's time for another dose now. Should I take it and feel safe? This will be my fourth dose. I have 5 doses daily now. 25 mcg T3 total.Do all of you wait 20 minutes after food and activity to measure your temps like I try to do? It's hard to schedule that 3 times daily though!T.

>I also wonder when I should further increase my T3. Maybe I shoul do a new blood test with FT3/FT4/TSH/ rT3 before I do so? I have decided to test my blood tomorrow. Ferritin + metabolism. 

The FT3 doesn't mean much as you have resistance to the T3

At the stage you are at it's "try things and see". Any slight excess

of T3 will wear off in a couple of hours.

The more you are on the lower the percentage of the dose an extra 5 is

meaning that you will feel it less, it's less of a jump,

Nick.

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>What does this mean? Is it too much T3 for me, or simply.. A virus or an

infection (Tonsils) ?

Could be. Also bear in mind that a temperature over 37 is fine as

long as the average of the 3 times as per the graph is 37. Some

typical " thyrough the day " temperatures are on the temperature page of

the site.

>I took my last T3 dose 3 1/2 hours ago so it's time for another dose now.

Should I take it and feel safe? This will be my fourth dose. I have 5 doses

daily now. 25 mcg T3 total.

Take it

>Do all of you wait 20 minutes after food and activity to measure your temps

like I try to do? It's hard to schedule that 3 times daily though!

>T.

Nope, if I am checking I just do it. If the reading surprises me I

will try again 10 mins later to see if it was an odd one.

I'm stable in dose at the moment and not monitoring temperature.

Nick

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Ok thanks! Good to hear you're on a good dose! Hope to get there one day!As for skipped beats though - Getting more and more of them at seems. Like right now one came to me. It happened 2 hours after my fourth T3 dose. Dunno what that means.I am supposed to take my fifth and last T3 dose for today at 02.00. If I can stay awake that late... :pSo these skipped beats are scaring me. But not as much as the irregular heartbeats though. Do you think skipped beats can come from some kind of electrolyte imbalance? Even too Much sea salt?Didn't have many skipped beats while on T4 only. Does that make any sense?And what is your take on thick blood, aka high hematocrit? Mine is at 52% now.

>What does this mean? Is it too much T3 for me, or simply.. A virus or an infection (Tonsils) ?

Could be. Also bear in mind that a temperature over 37 is fine as

long as the average of the 3 times as per the graph is 37. Some

typical "thyrough the day" temperatures are on the temperature page of

the site.

>I took my last T3 dose 3 1/2 hours ago so it's time for another dose now. Should I take it and feel safe? This will be my fourth dose. I have 5 doses daily now. 25 mcg T3 total.

Take it

>Do all of you wait 20 minutes after food and activity to measure your temps like I try to do? It's hard to schedule that 3 times daily though!

>T.

Nope, if I am checking I just do it. If the reading surprises me I

will try again 10 mins later to see if it was an odd one.

I'm stable in dose at the moment and not monitoring temperature.

Nick

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>As for skipped beats though - Getting more and more of them at seems. Like

right now one came to me. It happened 2 hours after my fourth T3 dose. Dunno

what that means.

>

>I am supposed to take my fifth and last T3 dose for today at 02.00. If I can

stay awake that late...

>So these skipped beats are scaring me. But not as much as the irregular

heartbeats though. Do you think skipped beats can come from some kind of

electrolyte imbalance? Even too Much sea salt?

>Didn't have many skipped beats while on T4 only. Does that make any sense?

For me skipped beats are now a hypo symptom.

If they happen 30 min after taking T3 it's too much T3 or not enough

cortisol.

Happening 2 hours after T3 it's your body saying MORE T3 PLEASE

Next time that happens bring your next dose forward. Your body is

crying out for T3 now it's stopped running on adrenaline.

Nick

>And what is your take on thick blood, aka high hematocrit? Mine is at 52% now.

Don't know anything about it

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Well, I do write some kind of medical diary. It started with me complaining to myself about my symptoms. Then I added doses and times for my T4. Now I write down most of what has to do with my health. It's good for reference to go back and go "Aha!". In this case, I did. It looks like I get these skipped heartbeats 1 to 2 hours after I take T3. Never in the first hour after. What does this mean? It could be too low Ferritin too, though. I don't think it would be goo to take the next T3 dose 1 hour after the first though?Do you take HC with or before your T3? Cause I have 4 doses of HC daily and 5 doses of T3, so I won't get HC before each T3 dose.

>As for skipped beats though - Getting more and more of them at seems. Like right now one came to me. It happened 2 hours after my fourth T3 dose. Dunno what that means.

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>I am supposed to take my fifth and last T3 dose for today at 02.00. If I can stay awake that late...

>So these skipped beats are scaring me. But not as much as the irregular heartbeats though. Do you think skipped beats can come from some kind of electrolyte imbalance? Even too Much sea salt?

>Didn't have many skipped beats while on T4 only. Does that make any sense?

For me skipped beats are now a hypo symptom.

If they happen 30 min after taking T3 it's too much T3 or not enough

cortisol.

Happening 2 hours after T3 it's your body saying MORE T3 PLEASE

Next time that happens bring your next dose forward. Your body is

crying out for T3 now it's stopped running on adrenaline.

Nick

>And what is your take on thick blood, aka high hematocrit? Mine is at 52% now.

Don't know anything about it

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>Do you take HC with or before your T3? Cause I have 4 doses of HC daily and 5

doses of T3, so I won't get HC before each T3 dose.

Maybe reduce the individual HC doses so you can spread the same

amount into 5 doses, one with each T3 dose?

Nick

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Not a bad idea. I was sitting here thinking about the very same thing.But that would make me take my last 2.5 mg dose of HC at around 1 am. Could that work?Right now I have the problem that I want to sleep, badly, and it's "only" 11 pm! I can't go to bed now, I have one T3 dose left to take at 1 am... :\ And I won't take that dose with HC either cause I'm done with the HC for today.Do you know what's causing the pain in my left eye? Could be HC creating pressure behind my eye. I know that is a side effect HC can create. Does it mean I need to lower the HC again?

>Do you take HC with or before your T3? Cause I have 4 doses of HC daily and 5 doses of T3, so I won't get HC before each T3 dose.

Maybe reduce the individual HC doses so you can spread the same

amount into 5 doses, one with each T3 dose?

Nick

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How about doing HC like this:7.57.5552.5Is this ok?Also, got some HORRIBLE skipped beats before I fell asleep. 1 hour after taking T3 with no HC beore it (it was 5 hours since my last 2.5 mg HC dose) I got a hard and heavy irregularity hitting me. I was sure I was gonna die.. The last thing I remember before finally falling asleep was "If I die, I die.. I don't want this anymore.." Obviously, I don't WANT to die, but.. I have the feeling that Something is not right.I have this fear that if I raise T3 more and more and finally I will be on T3-only, a doe of 80+ mcg daily, my heart will just boom, not take it anymore. And there is no way back to another med. I can't switch from 80 mcg T3 only to T4 only in 1 day.The pressure/pain on my left eye

is gone today. Wonder if it'll come back.Today I'll get my Ferritin result. The REAL one. I will get new FT3/FT4/TSH (rT3 takes longer to analyze) next week.Anyone have any ideas what to do?