Re: what's the difference between GAPS and SCD?

[Guest guest]

I think that Baden and Jodi have explained recently

concerning the difference between GAPS and SCD.

You can read info here: www.gapsdiet.com

There is a book called Gut and Psychology Syndrome by

Dr. Natasha -McBride which includes not only

the SCD diet, but also environmental and other health

issues, especially detox.

It goes into the stages of how to introduce dairy, different

kinds of probiotics, and some of the doctor's experience

with kids and adults who have brain disorders. She is available

to talk with by phone. A few people keep in touch with her and

recently went to a conference where she spoke.

The intro to GAPS is a little different from SCD. In the

GAPShelp group there is help with the stages of the

GAPS intro diet. The stages are not in the GAPS book

but will be printed in the next edition.

Louise

what's the difference between GAPS and SCD?

Anyone?

[Guest guest]

Another really big difference is that Elaine came from the IBD

perspective and NCM/Gaps (Dr Natasha McBride) comes more from

the ASD/brain side perspective.

She deeply believes in SCD but she makes some subtle changes that I

think for a straight out IBD'er could be a problem. Like allowing

Bifidus (which Elaine deemed illegal for how it over-grows in bowel)

and she also allows illegals in supplements as well as allowing foods

that Elaine wouldn't when symptoms are clear.

There is also more of a focus on fermented veggies as well as many

people are dairy free for quite a while on GAPS.

I think the way GAPS also puts intro together is much easier to

-understand-! It isn't to say that SCD and Pecan Bread don't talk

about these things it's just in my opinion it does not stand out and

one has to scratch the surface. For me including Ghee and bone broths

really helped me feel satiated while needing to do intro like diet for

quite a few months (I originally did BTVC intro for a long time just

when I began the diet and I always felt hungry, deprived and depressed

the only good thing is I lacked an apetite) This time around when I

had the wicked 9 month flare and right after that I ate contaminated

meat- I had to redo intro for months on end again. I found the GAPS

intro, how it was explained to me and how I read it much easier to

understand.

GAPS also focuses a lot on healthy living like using organics and

such. Which for some people can be totally out of reach financially.

So, I think SCD/Elaine has much less of a guilt game going on that

level. In the sense she wrote this book so that anyone anywhere could

understand the basics and apply the diet any place in the world

regardless of organics etc... no guilt and so on..

Elaine focused on the bare bones science behind SCD in BTVC. GAPS

doesn't go into SCD too much as she said a wonderful book by a MOTHER

was already written and she doesn't need to go there. She outlines

the diet and discusses legal/illegal.. What GAPS does explain is how

the Brain and Gut are connected and how so many of us get to this

place of these diseases. I found this beyond enlightening as I was a

GAPS baby from day zero.

So really the differences are subtle in my opinion. I use a lot of

ideas from GAPS but I do a strictly SCD legal protocol. I will not

change this. I just find that GAPS has made it much easier to

understand. I think Pecan Bread has so much info it needs to get

across to so many different communities and ailments that things get

distorted for me. I love Pecan Bread don't get me wrong!! But, I am

not the smartest person so I need things to be pretty clear and

outlined etc.. Although I think the GAPS book could use a better editor.

Jodi

SCD 14 months

Crohn's/Colitis

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this info Jodi. I was wondering the same thing and you really explained it to me. Thanks.SCD 9/9/08

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I have just created a post that can be linked to when this question

comes up. Today, it is at the top of: http://gapsguide.wordpress.com/

Each day it will get bumped further down the homepage, but will

always be directly linkable via:

http://gapsguide.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/differences-between-scd-gaps/

I just started 'blogging GAPS' a few days ago. If you'd like to

receive each new post by email (one per day), just click the blog's

'subscribe' option. Otherwise, just check the blog as you wish.

This record of our SCD/GAPS journey will include reflections, daily

life applications, answers to themes arising on our lists, etc. Each

post is meant to be a small dose of something

helpful/clarifying/encouraging.

Baden

[Guest guest]

Hi Baden,

I appreciate all of your work and help.

I also appreciate you making a blog and posting such good explanations

and pointers. I do however feel you make a quite a few stretches with

some of the differences between the two. Among those stretches;

In general; just like GAPS does not include an intro in the book- you

can also see how BTVC doesn't include things that Pecan Bread does

which is a huge SCD hub (other SCD websites as well)

There are other things I take issue with but I don't just want to go

on and on and veer too off topic and waste archive space. We can

email off list if you wish..

I find GAPS extremely enlightening and educational and it sure has

helped me get better.. I am super thankful for this.. But let's not

even *slightly* misrepresent.

Jodi

SCD 14 months

Crohn's/Colitis

[Guest guest]

At 10:21 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:

This record of our SCD/GAPS

journey will include reflections, daily

life applications, answers to themes arising on our lists, etc. Each

post is meant to be a small dose of something

helpful/clarifying/encouraging.

Baden,

I'm sorry -- I'm pretty tolerant, but you are misrepresenting SCD in this

blog post. I won't allow negative comments about GAPs on this list, and I

would appreciate it if you would not make negative comments about SCD in

your blog or on your GAPs list.

—

Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Fantastic blog Baden!!! Very helpful and clarifying!Thanks a lotYanaUC 1 1/2 yearSCD 9 monthsTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 6:21:08 PMSubject: Re: what's the difference between GAPS and SCD?

Hi all,

I have just created a post that can be linked to when this question

comes up. Today, it is at the top of: http://gapsguide. wordpress. com/

Each day it will get bumped further down the homepage, but will

always be directly linkable via:

http://gapsguide. wordpress. com/2008/ 12/05/difference s-between- scd-gaps/

I just started 'blogging GAPS' a few days ago. If you'd like to

receive each new post by email (one per day), just click the blog's

'subscribe' option. Otherwise, just check the blog as you wish.

This record of our SCD/GAPS journey will include reflections, daily

life applications, answers to themes arising on our lists, etc. Each

post is meant to be a small dose of something

helpful/clarifying/ encouraging.

Baden

[Guest guest]

What are pasteured eggs?

Mara

> Hi all,

>

> I have just created a post that can be linked to when this question

> comes up. Today, it is at the top of: http://gapsguide.wordpress.com/

> Each day it will get bumped further down the homepage, but will

> always be directly linkable via:

> http://gapsguide.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/differences-between-scd-

> gaps/

>

> I just started 'blogging GAPS' a few days ago. If you'd like to

> receive each new post by email (one per day), just click the blog's

> 'subscribe' option. Otherwise, just check the blog as you wish.

>

> This record of our SCD/GAPS journey will include reflections, daily

> life applications, answers to themes arising on our lists, etc. Each

> post is meant to be a small dose of something

> helpful/clarifying/encouraging.

[Guest guest]

Mara,

It's a broad term here in the States but what it's -supposed- to refer

to is the living conditions and feed of chickens, hens, ducks whatever

are free to roam -outside- not in some small cage and eat what is

natural to them (grass, worms, bugs, etc) Usually good farmers will

not give these animals hormones and antibiotics. Many will not pay

for organic certification.. And just because eggs are organic does

not mean they are well treated or eat well.

On one occasion at the Green Market I asked a farmer what he does when

his hen's are sick... He looked at me like I was insane.. and he said

" uhhh they die " and that is the answer I wanted to hear. This is

coming from a moi a previous vegetarian. Wow, was I uncomfortable

with myself..

When it comes to labeling about feed and living conditions of animals

the laws are pathetic and labels are misleading. It is best to know

the farm etc.

Jodi

SCD 14 months

Crohn's/Colitis

>

> What are pasteured eggs?

[Guest guest]

Yana: Thank you! (If I hadn't received your post, I would be crying

right now, so bless you for posting it.)

Mara: Pastured eggs refer to those in which the chicken producing the

eggs is wandering around eating only what is on the ground (eg. bugs,

not grain-fed, etc).

Jodi & Marilyn: My apologies! Honestly, I don't even know what we're

talking about yet, though! I was concerned about what I saw as some

errors or misrepresentations in your earlier post, Jodi, so opted to

post my viewpoint on my blog. Please feel free to comment via the

blog's comment option so that I know what needs fixing. Marilyn:

Please do tell me what is inaccurate! I honestly have no idea what.

Please feel free to let me know via this list, via private email or

via a comment on my blog --whichever you feel fits best.

Again, my apologies for any errors. I will happily repair them as soon

as I know what they are!

Baden

[Guest guest]

Hi Baden,

I sure don't want you to cry. This is murky water as I think there

are many perspectives and opinions not to mention personal experience.

We all try to share what has helped us personally in our healing

journey and guide others. I find you to be one of the most helpful,

mindful, precise, honest and articulate people online. I consider you

my friend. You have given me so much..

With that said, I think if you had a problem with anything I wrote in

my post- you should of commented to me directly and not use that as

starter point to clear any type of misrepresentation on my behalf on

your blog. Maybe there is something that I am not understanding about

GAPS/SCD? Maybe I need to read more etc?

*taking a deep breath* I feel very sad now.

Jodi

SCD 14 months

Crohn's/Colitis

> Jodi & Marilyn: My apologies! Honestly, I don't even know what we're

> talking about yet, though! I was concerned about what I saw as some

> errors or misrepresentations in your earlier post, Jodi, so opted to

> post my viewpoint on my blog. Please feel free to comment via the

> blog's comment option so that I know what needs fixing. Marilyn:

> Please do tell me what is inaccurate! I honestly have no idea what.

> Please feel free to let me know via this list, via private email or

> via a comment on my blog --whichever you feel fits best.

>

> Again, my apologies for any errors. I will happily repair them as soon

> as I know what they are!

>

> Baden

>

[Guest guest]

At 12:21 PM 12/5/2008, you wrote:

Marilyn:

Please do tell me what is inaccurate! I honestly have no idea what.

Please feel free to let me know via this list, via private email or

via a comment on my blog --whichever you feel fits

best.

I'm going to have to go through this, line by line. And now I'm crying,

because to do it means skipping my water therapy to do it -- or skipping

my writing, and I have a scene percolating in my head that I've been

struggling to get written for nearly two weeks.

—

Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

>

> Anyone?

>GAPS diet omits all dairy (except ghee)and uses mega doses of

probiotics (like BioKult). I was on the GAPS a year ago, went off too

soon (although it's very challenging to maintain) and am now trying the

SCD. Finding so far (3 weeks) that the homemade yogurt, raw milk

cheddars and butter seem ok (whew). Also, was suspecting overgrowth of

bifidus from the BioKult and stopping it seemed to help. Elaine

evidently claims it can overgrow and that's probably what was tripping

me up.

[Guest guest]

Marilyn: Please don't skip water therapy or writing goals! I have to

leave now for the day anyway, so won't be able to do any corrections

for some time yet. I realize we don't want anything incorrect out

there for any length of time, but a careful conversation will take

time in any case.

In fact, posting comments to the blog may be the best way to go.

Because then the whole conversation can be viewed by readers, which

will help everyone to understand each perspective. (This ties in to my

note below.)

Jodi: That's what I did after posting breathe, breathe, breathe...

I come from a very specific training/philosophy in dialogue. In both

Formal Consensus and in Dialogue, each person speaks from his heart.

Each person is supported to speak in turn. In these models, which I

use daily, one person speaks their truth, then there is gentle

silence, and then the next one speaks theirs. This is essentially what

I was doing: hearing you, then considering, then stating my own truth

(as opposed to stating a comment on yours). Know what I mean?

To clarify, the blog post was not in response to your post. The blog

post was in response to the original, and frequently posted, question.

I wanted something people could link to or view. Your view is yours to

post, and I support that. Likewise, mine is independent of any

other's, so I posted that.

Every post under the sun gives me food for thought --it tells me what

people are thinking/assuming/believing/knowing. These thoughts then

inspire a direction for writing.

Essentially, I don't believe that everything needs to be debated point

by point (though this can be good and helpful, too), but rather that

each one's perspective can stand side by side, and all viewers can

read all perspectives and determine their own (new again) understanding.

I do need to go right now but will definitely check in later and give

due thought to how I can more accurately express the facts.

I look forward to improving my post and give thanks in advance for

everyone's help!

Cheers,

Baden

[Guest guest]

As a newbie, I would really appreciate a public discussion about the

differences between GAPS and SCD. That way, I can read the comments,

suggestions and conversations and make my own, more informed,

decisions for myself. Thanks guys!!!

SCD 9/9/08...although falling off the wagon left and right