Re: t3/ferritin: cat/mouse chase

[Guest guest]

>Val, if t3 helps body hold onto iron, can my low doses of t3 explain why my

ferritin is low?

>This is like a no-win situation: if ferritin is low, body can't handle a t3

increase, yet the low ferritin doesn't allow the body to hold onto the t3. Is it

just me, but I feel dizzy thinking about it, lol...

Welcome to the vicious circle. You need to supplement the iron heavily

while edging up on the T3 unless you take the infusion route.

>

>Val, i have some questions regarding my low bp, low sodium, high temps, but

being that it's adrenal related I posted there. Awaiting your visit to the

adrenals group patiently

>

Val is taking a week's break on both groups, I'm here on this one and

the adrenals is closed for a week I believe.

>Thank you so much for your help!

>

Nick

[Guest guest]

I'm in the circle already! It blows..Nick, maybe I'm doing the wrong thing by stopping iron supplementing for 5 days to see how my real Ferritin is? If my Ferritin is at 55 when measuring it WHILE I take iron, it can't be higher if I don't take iron. I will see how my body is holding onto the iron, but... I think maybe I am testing my Ferritin too soon? Let' say my Ferritin is at 80 or something, while taking iron supplements. THEN there's a good chance that my real Ferritin is moving on up. Am I right with this logic?

>Val, if t3 helps body hold onto iron, can my low doses of t3 explain why my ferritin is low?

>This is like a no-win situation: if ferritin is low, body can't handle a t3 increase, yet the low ferritin doesn't allow the body to hold onto the t3. Is it just me, but I feel dizzy thinking about it, lol...

Welcome to the vicious circle. You need to supplement the iron heavily

while edging up on the T3 unless you take the infusion route.

>

>Val, i have some questions regarding my low bp, low sodium, high temps, but being that it's adrenal related I posted there. Awaiting your visit to the adrenals group patiently

>

Val is taking a week's break on both groups, I'm here on this one and

the adrenals is closed for a week I believe.

>Thank you so much for your help!

>

Nick

[Guest guest]

I will chime in on this as I'm confused too with the ferritin.

My ferritin was 31 when I went investigating thyroid problems. I've been taking

50mg supplement with liver factions in it for most of this year and the ferritin

went up to 47 over 5 months, not very much. I was still using low doses of

either Armour (1.5 grains) or Nature Throid (2 grains) and 10, then 20, then

37.5 mcg of Cytomel. Then about 6 weeks ago I was put on 2 grains Erfa and 25mcg

Cytomel. I upped my iron supplement by 15mg to 65mg a day.

Now my ferritin is 90. Unless this is some type of lab error. My FT3 is now over

the range at 5.4. So it's true when the body gets

up in T3, ferritin is better, but I wasn't taking as much T3

as many on this 12 week protocol for high RT3 and I did have high RT3 of 390 and

it is gone from the lab values, at least.

My doctor now said to take the iron supplement only a few times

a week instead of every day.

Also, my FT3 levels never got up to mid range all year.

I was on 15mg Cortef, then 20mg Cortef, and the iron and taking

very low doses of thyroid hormone. Then after adding in the

Cytomel at 10, then 20, then 37.5, my Ft3 stayed around 3.4-3.6

all that time, and my FT4 about 1.17-1.2.

But now after doing 2 grains Erfa and 25mcg of Cytomel for

the last 6 weeks or so, my ferritin is way up, and my

FT3 is over the range, and my FT4 is below the range.

Maybe it's the Erfa? I'm told it's higher in T3.

But my ferritin got up there and I wasn't on

as high a T3 dose as many, and I've been going slow all year.

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> >Val, if t3 helps body hold onto iron, can my low doses of t3 explain why my

ferritin is low?

>

> >This is like a no-win situation: if ferritin is low, body can't handle a t3

increase, yet the low ferritin doesn't allow the body to hold onto the t3. Is it

just me, but I feel dizzy thinking about it, lol...

>

>

>

> Welcome to the vicious circle. You need to supplement the iron heavily

>

> while edging up on the T3 unless you take the infusion route.

>

> >

>

> >Val, i have some questions regarding my low bp, low sodium, high temps, but

being that it's adrenal related I posted there. Awaiting your visit to the

adrenals group patiently

>

> >

>

> Val is taking a week's break on both groups, I'm here on this one and

>

> the adrenals is closed for a week I believe.

>

>

>

> >Thank you so much for your help!

>

> >

>

>

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

>Nick, maybe I'm doing the wrong thing by stopping iron supplementing for 5 days

to see how my real Ferritin is? If my Ferritin is at 55 when measuring it WHILE

I take iron, it can't be higher if I don't take iron. I will see how my body is

holding onto the iron, but... I think maybe I am testing my Ferritin too soon?

Let' say my Ferritin is at 80 or something, while taking iron supplements. THEN

there's a good chance that my real Ferritin is moving on up. Am I right with

this logic?

Yes and no. It will be lower than the reading you get while

supplementing. What you will gain from getting the real reading is to

find out whether the real reading is increasing at all.

If it isn't you need to do something else, either more or different.

If it's increasing then you have the reassurance that you will be able

to tolerate the increases you are making to T3 and that reassurance is

worth the test and the 5 days off from supplementing.

As the ferritin goes up you can edge up on the T3 and that will make

holding onto the ferritin easier, think of filling a container that

has a leak in it with water, if you are filling at a steady rate then

making the leak smaller means the level goes up quicker.

Nick

[Guest guest]

>Now my ferritin is 90. Unless this is some type of lab error. My FT3 is now

over the range at 5.4. So it's true when the body gets

>up in T3, ferritin is better, but I wasn't taking as much T3

>as many on this 12 week protocol for high RT3 and I did have high RT3 of 390

and it is gone from the lab values, at least.

Did you stop supplementing iron for 5 days before testing???

Nick

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[Guest guest]

thanks NIck! I was supplementing heavily on iron supplements, unaware that I am having a fever (simply thought my temp was coming up due to better t3 absorption). After 3 weeks it hit me that temps of 99.8 are above range for someone who typically has temps up to 98 range.

So stopped my iron (cuz read it should not be taken when ill) and upped my hc to a generous amount and the earache/throat-ache is being kept at bay. As soon as I skip a few hours of hc (such as sleep-time) the earache/throat-pain appear again and my temp goes back up, and taking some hc helps it disappear.

I'm taking one or two iron capsules a day now (whereas previously I was taking 8 of the 27 mg. each) and unsure whether to get off the iron totally until I am sure my high temp/earaches have completely disappeared. Any thoughts?

Thanks again!

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 7:33:27 AMSubject: Re: t3/ferritin: cat/mouse chase

>Val, if t3 helps body hold onto iron, can my low doses of t3 explain why my ferritin is low? >This is like a no-win situation: if ferritin is low, body can't handle a t3 increase, yet the low ferritin doesn't allow the body to hold onto the t3. Is it just me, but I feel dizzy thinking about it, lol...Welcome to the vicious circle. You need to supplement the iron heavilywhile edging up on the T3 unless you take the infusion route.>>Val, i have some questions regarding my low bp, low sodium, high temps, but being that it's adrenal related I posted there. Awaiting your visit to the adrenals group patiently >Val is taking a week's break on both groups, I'm here on this one andthe adrenals is closed for a week I believe.>Thank you so much for your help!>Nick

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I will chime in on this as I'm confused too with the ferritin.

>

> My ferritin was 31 when I went investigating thyroid problems. I've been

taking 50mg supplement with liver factions in it for most of this year and the

ferritin went up to 47 over 5 months, not very much. I was still using low doses

of either Armour (1.5 grains) or Nature Throid (2 grains) and 10, then 20, then

37.5 mcg of Cytomel. Then about 6 weeks ago I was put on 2 grains Erfa and 25mcg

Cytomel. I upped my iron supplement by 15mg to 65mg a day.

>

> Now my ferritin is 90. Unless this is some type of lab error. My FT3 is now

over the range at 5.4. So it's true when the body gets

> up in T3, ferritin is better, but I wasn't taking as much T3

> as many on this 12 week protocol for high RT3 and I did have high RT3 of 390

and it is gone from the lab values, at least.

>

Hi

Are you feeling better now that you have brought the high RT3 down do you feel

well? Also just to confirm that you didn't ever stop a small amount of

dessicated and just took T3. If this is the case then it would appear that one

can still clear the receptors if one is on a low dose of dessicated plus T3.

I am struglling on T3 only can only get up to 39 mcg and am really fed up with

the lack of stamina and energy. Just started my fifth week of it. Last week I

added in 1 grain to some T3 and did feel immediately better energy and stamina

but started with nasty migraines and very painful neck and shoulders and for the

4 days I was on it I wasn't without a headache of migraine plus the pain in

shoulders so it is still making me toxic but the energy was lovely for at least

2 days.

Pam