T3 pooling

[Guest guest]

Hi Nick,

I hope this question makes sense. If a person is not making or taking enough HC

to allow the T3 to get into the cells and T3 starts pooling in the blood, are

there any symptoms?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

>I hope this question makes sense. If a person is not making or taking enough

HC to allow the T3 to get into the cells and T3 starts pooling in the blood, are

there any symptoms?

There may be odd symptoms. T3 gets into different parts of the body at

different rates so you may get a mix of hypo and hypeer symptoms.

It's also likely that you will get lots of odd adrenal effects and

they may be the more visible ones

Nick

[Guest guest]

Thank You. This is just so confusing now that it's down to this minute tweeking. I decided to hold one more day at 100 to see how I do but I do have some questions. Since I am not able to take an Isocort without terrible bloating then I can only assume my adrenals are doing well? and my body is saying I don't need it anymore. I suppose if I continue on this track and I am able to totally get off the Isocort then the best thing to do would be to re-test cortisol levels. If my levels appear to be in good shape then it is only a matter of tweeking the T3 dose to feel well. It's so confusing not knowing what my levels are at present and whether my adrenals are working well or the T3 is just pooling. But, If I was pooling then I would be able to take Isocort, correct?? I was feeling so

well back in November and now I am more tired, weight gain, achey and terrible pains that I thought were on their way out.

So far today I have taken my am dose of T3--25mcg with 1 pellet of Isocort. Temps throughout have been 98.3-4. I just took my 11am dose of 25 with no Isocort. If my temps maintain throughtout the day and continue to go up and don't pivot down with a dose then I'm obviously doing ok, right?? Sorry to sound so crazy but I just don't know how to tweek on how I feel. I still feel so hypo which tells me I need more but then I also know that too much T3 feels the same way. But if temps are good, not too high and pulse is not too high then I'm on a good dose, correct?

Nick, thank you so much!! Your patience and advice is so appreciated..

>I hope this question makes sense. If a person is not making or taking enough HC to allow the T3 to get into the cells and T3 starts pooling in the blood, are there any symptoms? There may be odd symptoms. T3 gets into different parts of the body atdifferent rates so you may get a mix of hypo and hypeer symptoms.It's also likely that you will get lots of odd adrenal effects andthey may be the more visible onesNick

[Guest guest]

I got fibrillation in my heart for 20 minutes when my T3 pooled in the blood before I took HC. FT3 was at 16!!!!!!!!!! WAY TOO HIGH.

>I hope this question makes sense. If a person is not making or taking enough HC to allow the T3 to get into the cells and T3 starts pooling in the blood, are there any symptoms?

There may be odd symptoms. T3 gets into different parts of the body at

different rates so you may get a mix of hypo and hypeer symptoms.

It's also likely that you will get lots of odd adrenal effects and

they may be the more visible ones

Nick

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Great news on your ferritin level!!!

So are you saying that your T3 was pooling and that your heart went wild before you took your HC?? Well, maybe I will have the same effect or my temps will drop if I'm on too much without the adrenal support. That's why I'm thinking that I'm doing alright without the adrenal support right now but I just don't feel as well so then I have to figure out if I need more or less T3 at my stage of the game. I'm so ready to figure this out.

I got fibrillation in my heart for 20 minutes when my T3 pooled in the blood before I took HC. FT3 was at 16!!!!!!!!!! WAY TOO HIGH.---

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I took very few blood samples in the year of 2007, my last "healthy" year, but I remember that my FT3 was going up in late December 2007 - I had an FT3 of 8, which is a bit high. Then, in early January 2008, 3 weeks before my fibrillation, FT3 was 16, which is way too high. I might be a special case, let's say if I've got hidden WPW (heart disease), the high FT3 alone can be enough to give me fibrillation. The endo I went to at that time, removed my T3-meds, to get my FT3 down. It worked. FT3 went down. BUT my health did NOT IMPROVE without the T3-med.They should've given me HC instead of removing T3. And my Ferritin should've been watched. Endo's don't know jack.......If your FT3 is highish, you should take more HC. (I don't remember your story, but if you are on HC, take more HC!)---

Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 6:28 PM

 

Hi ,

 

Great news on your ferritin level!!!

 

So are you saying that your T3 was pooling and that your heart went wild before you took your HC??   Well, maybe I will have the same effect or my temps will drop if I'm on too much without the adrenal support.   That's why I'm thinking that I'm doing alright without the adrenal support right now but I just don't feel as well so then I have to figure out if I need more or less T3 at my stage of the game.   I'm so ready to figure this out.

 

 

I got fibrillation in my heart for 20 minutes when my T3 pooled in the blood before I took HC. FT3 was at 16!!!!!!!!!! WAY TOO HIGH.---

 

 

[Guest guest]

Well I think I am actually almost there. I had a FT3 of 7.0 in November and was actually feeling well but Dr. told me to back off. I did and my latest FT3 was 5.5. So I'm trying to find that happy medium. I had been taking HC for almost two years and I have suddenly not been able to tolerate it due to bloating. So I have slowly weaned off and then got on Isocort but I am still finding that it might even be too much. I believe it is just a matter of me tweeking my T3. I sure hope so because I feel like I did when I first started taking the T3 and obviously something it out of whack. I just have to figure out what it is.

, Keep up your great progress. I can tell by your postings that you are doing much better these days.

From: Kourkoubes <cinkourksbcglobal (DOT) net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 6:28 PM

Hi ,

Great news on your ferritin level!!!

So are you saying that your T3 was pooling and that your heart went wild before you took your HC?? Well, maybe I will have the same effect or my temps will drop if I'm on too much without the adrenal support. That's why I'm thinking that I'm doing alright without the adrenal support right now but I just don't feel as well so then I have to figure out if I need more or less T3 at my stage of the game. I'm so ready to figure this out.

I got fibrillation in my heart for 20 minutes when my T3 pooled in the blood before I took HC. FT3 was at 16!!!!!!!!!! WAY TOO HIGH.---

[Guest guest]

Well I have my problems.. Infected tonsils, wisdoom teeth problems, etc. etc.Different labs, different reference ranges. My lab has an FT3 from 3.5 to 7.0. Anything above 7.0 is considered not too safe. I would just like to say that 16.0 is definitely not a good place to be! I guess the best place to be is in the top of the range. For me, that would be 6 to 7. I think I felt great with an FT3 of 6 or 6.5 for a long time. Then my adrenals went nuts........... I am also getting more and more bloated on HC. COULD BE T3 NOT GETTING INTO THE CELLS. So we can't just blame HC like that can we.Thanks and I wish for your thorough recovery to happen not too far into the future!

From: Kourkoubes <cinkourksbcglobal (DOT) net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 6:28 PM

 

Hi ,

 

Great news on your ferritin level!!!

 

So are you saying that your T3 was pooling and that your heart went wild before you took your HC??   Well, maybe I will have the same effect or my temps will drop if I'm on too much without the adrenal support.   That's why I'm thinking that I'm doing alright without the adrenal support right now but I just don't feel as well so then I have to figure out if I need more or less T3 at my stage of the game.   I'm so ready to figure this out.

 

 

I got fibrillation in my heart for 20 minutes when my T3 pooled in the blood before I took HC. FT3 was at 16!!!!!!!!!! WAY TOO HIGH.---

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nick is right -- the symptoms are odd! For me, I feel even more hypo (dead,

exhausted) no matter how much more t3 I keep trying to take. Also, I get edema

-- I assume because the t3 isn't going into the cells as edema is a hypo symptom

for me. And then the heart pounding and anxiety and panic attack starts. Whether

these are from too little cortisol relative to the t3 dose or a result of the t3

not getting into the cells, I can't say. I just know it happens.

Kathleen

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> Hi Nick,

>

> I hope this question makes sense. If a person is not making or taking enough

HC to allow the T3 to get into the cells and T3 starts pooling in the blood, are

there any symptoms?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

If I can jump in: I thought if the Rt3 was cleared there would be no trouble with T3 getting to cells. I admit I have not read all the most on here so if this was talked about already, sorry. I am confused now!VeniziaSubject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 1:11 PM

Nick is right -- the symptoms are odd! For me, I feel even more hypo (dead, exhausted) no matter how much more t3 I keep trying to take. Also, I get edema -- I assume because the t3 isn't going into the cells as edema is a hypo symptom for me. And then the heart pounding and anxiety and panic attack starts. Whether these are from too little cortisol relative to the t3 dose or a result of the t3 not getting into the cells, I can't say. I just know it happens.

Kathleen

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> Hi Nick,

>

> I hope this question makes sense. If a person is not making or taking enough HC to allow the T3 to get into the cells and T3 starts pooling in the blood, are there any symptoms?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Also, I get edema -- I assume because the t3 isn't going into the cells as edema is a hypo symptom for me.

Cinnamon Bark is great for Edema if you are looking for something natural. I know about nutrition but very ltitle about thyroid but trying to learn.

Blessings,

Sue

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[Guest guest]

I am not totally clear on it, but I think it has to do with t3 needing cortisol

in order to be properly utilized, so if one's cortisol is too low, the t3 will

not go into the cells properly.

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> > Hi Nick,

>

> >

>

> > I hope this question makes sense. If a person is not making or taking

enough HC to allow the T3 to get into the cells and T3 starts pooling in the

blood, are there any symptoms?

>

> >

>

> > Thanks,

>

> >

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> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Venezia and Kathleen,

Yes my symptoms are strange. It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too little T3 or too much T3. That is the problem, I think. My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related. I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again. I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need

more HC or Isocort at night. I'm experimenting with this also. Hopefully when Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be able to shed some light on my situation. I sure hope so. The low back pain is the worse.

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 1:11 PM

Nick is right -- the symptoms are odd! For me, I feel even more hypo (dead, exhausted) no matter how much more t3 I keep trying to take. Also, I get edema -- I assume because the t3 isn't going into the cells as edema is a hypo symptom for me. And then the heart pounding and anxiety and panic attack starts. Whether these are from too little cortisol relative to the t3 dose or a result of the t3 not getting into the cells, I can't say. I just know it happens.Kathleen>> Hi Nick, > > I hope this question makes sense. If a person is not making or taking enough HC to allow the T3 to get into the cells and T3 starts pooling in the blood, are there any symptoms? > > Thanks,> >

[Guest guest]

, what are your symptoms besides the back pain?

BTW, that is GREAT you no longer needed the HC!

I think we all have a very hard time figuring out whether it's adrenal or

thyroid. It's a huge pain, but what I find helpful is trying to figure out which

it is is to take the t3 separate from the HC when the symptoms are happening.

Say for example you're getting anxious, so you take some HC and it makes it go

away. Or if it doesn't, you try some t3 and see if that works. I don't know if

that will work in your case if the symptoms are constant. This helps me when my

temps drop or I have edema, though, because I can which one is doing what.

The other thing is taht if you think you know what it is, say you decide you

need a tad more HC at night, to give it a few days before trying something else.

Dr. lowe told me this and I believe it's excellent advice, althought I'm usually

so impatient I don't follow it and cause myself more grief, lol. I'm one of

those persons who wants to try something else every day if it didn't work and

sometimes it takes a few days to see if it's working. :-)

Kathleen

>

> Hi Venezia and Kathleen,

>  

> Yes my symptoms are strange.   It is very difficult for me to tell whether

this is thyroid or adrenal.  My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem

and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm

either taking too little T3 or too much T3.   That is the problem, I

think.   My temps are also averaging 98.6-7.  The RT3 has been cleared for

months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose.  I do

believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC

and now take very little Isocort.  I'm experimenting with SRHC at night

because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm

pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now

I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend

to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.   I'm experimenting

with this also. Hopefully when

> Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be able to shed some light on my

situation.   I sure hope so.   The low back pain is the worse.

>  

>

>

[Guest guest]

>If I can jump in:  I thought if the Rt3 was cleared there would be no trouble

with T3 getting to cells.  I admit I have not read all the most on here so if

this was talked about already, sorry.  I am confused now!

Depends on the cause, Ferritin or Cortisol issues can cause it as

well

Nick

[Guest guest]

It's so hard to know what's what. I'm trying to figure this out myself.

Kathleen - what's pooling and what's too little cortisol relative to T3 or vice

versa.

I also get MORE hypo when I go up on T3 - dead, muddied brain, weird! I don't

get hyper symptoms! I'll let you know if I figure something out! And you post

the same! I know we're all so different, but least it'll give us something to

try out!

I'm going to the Holtorf Clinic this coming Thursday. I feel like I'll know

more than them! Ha!

I hope the HC helps with your night time panic attacks.

Carol

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> > Hi Nick,

>

> >

>

> > I hope this question makes sense. If a person is not making or taking

enough HC to allow the T3 to get into the cells and T3 starts pooling in the

blood, are there any symptoms?

>

> >

>

> > Thanks,

>

> >

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathleen. My symptoms are alot of the same symptoms that I have always had. Dry skin...my heels are cracked, pain between my shoulders, posterior and lateral neck pain, joint pain, my hair loss has improved since I upped my dose to 100mcg but I can't help but think I need to bring it down since my FT3 was 7.0. I really don't know that my adrenals are healed since I still need something at night for the panic attacks but if I do take the HC I bloat up like a little frog....my belly. So I'm thinking that my body is reacting this way and possibly telling me that it does not need the HC. So I switched to Isocort and it does the same thing as the HC. Oh, and believe me, I have tried all variations and separations of the meds and I just can't figure it out. I think I really need to get some labs done again for the thyroid levels and possibly try to stay off the HC for two

weeks and get saliva testing done again. This would possibly show some problems. Just don't know. Iwas really doing well and I have come to a big bump in the road.

Thanks for the concerns and advice. It is appreciated.

Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:03 PM

, what are your symptoms besides the back pain?BTW, that is GREAT you no longer needed the HC!I think we all have a very hard time figuring out whether it's adrenal or thyroid. It's a huge pain, but what I find helpful is trying to figure out which it is is to take the t3 separate from the HC when the symptoms are happening. Say for example you're getting anxious, so you take some HC and it makes it go away. Or if it doesn't, you try some t3 and see if that works. I don't know if that will work in your case if the symptoms are constant. This helps me when my temps drop or I have edema, though, because I can which one is doing what. The other thing is taht if you think you know what it is, say you decide you need a tad more HC at night, to give it a few days before trying something else. Dr. lowe told me this and I believe it's excellent advice, althought I'm usually so impatient I don't follow it and cause myself more

grief, lol. I'm one of those persons who wants to try something else every day if it didn't work and sometimes it takes a few days to see if it's working. :-)Kathleen>> Hi Venezia and Kathleen,>  > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that

my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.>  > >

[Guest guest]

>I also get MORE hypo when I go up on T3 - dead, muddied brain, weird! I don't

get hyper symptoms! I'll let you know if I figure something out! And you post

the same! I know we're all so different, but least it'll give us something to

try out!

Sounds like either adrenal support needed or too mucch T3 at a time,

spreading it out in more but smaller doses is kinder on the adrenals

Nick

[Guest guest]

,

Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid

hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr.

lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...

I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my

cells and that's why the labs were so high?

That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.

Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much

HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to

pooling.)

God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always

get ankle edema.

How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know

you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it

is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could

try HC cream?? I'm just tossing out ideas here!

Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow.

Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?

I wish you the best!

Kathleen

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> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,

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> > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell

whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that

problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I

'm either taking too little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I

think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared

for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose.ÂÂ

I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking

HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night

because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and

I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well

too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is

causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at

night.  I'm

> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when

> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be able to shed some light on my

situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.

> > ÂÂ

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[Guest guest]

Thanks again Kathleen. I do appreciate the extra recommendations and the help to try to figure out the situation. My situation is so long and drawn out because of the meds I was taking months back and what I am presently taking. I think that I am going to back off the T3 few the next few days and see how I do. I'm thinking that my adrenals have undergone some healing and I just need to find that T3 spot. I would say that I have gradually weaned off the HC over this past month and a half and I weaned at about 2.5mg per week. I don't think it was too fast. I think with the real HC my adrenals did very well vs the SR and they were able to get some relief.We went out tonight to visit friends and I am late getting my last bedtime dose of T3....I have very little back pain right now

which seems to tell me something. I really think that I must just be taking too much T3. Tomorrow I think I will back off the T3 and see how it goes.

When you said this.."I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?" That is exactly what I was thinking....there is that fine line and it's tough to figure it all out.

When you say that the T3 is not getting into your cells, what schedule are you on at present? It is good to talk to people with similar situations. It can sometimes be a big help. I've been at this a while and I do understand so much more than I ever thought I would thanks to Val. How long have you been at this? You are the only person that I have come across that has had problems with the bloating too. I don't feel any discomfort within my stomach...it is just this high hard abdominal swelling where I can't even bend at the waist. So strange and sort of isolated.

Thanks again for your concern and comments. I wish you continued luck too.

Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and

the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm>

experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

> But if temps are good, not too high and pulse is not too high then I'm on a

good dose, correct?

>Nick, thank you so much!!   Your patience and advice is so appreciated..

>

You seem to be thinking straight.

Stable temperature (averages day to day) = adrenals that are OK.

If temperature is still low then it's a case of raise the T3.

If adrenals are marginal then small doses quite often are the best way

to take the T3.

Nick

[Guest guest]

,Hope its ok to chime in here. I also had problems with HC. Got extremely bloated all over but especially in the abdomen. My doctor weaned me off the HC at 2.5mg a week so I am sure that is ok for you too. She also started me on Standard Process Dessicated Adrenal in the am. I take 6 pills between 7 & 8 am. I am noticing a difference in how I feel AND I am not noticing any side effects except I think it may be helping me to lose weight BECAUSE it is helping my thyrioid to address the adrenals.Hope this helps.Venizia

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and

the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm>

experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

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Venezia, thank you for your comments! I thought I was the only one with this bloating belly problem. I have had it for awhile and no one has ever mentioned they were having similar problems. I HAVE slowy weaned off the HC and I only take Isocort in the morning and then at bedtime. I just can't get the Hypo symptoms to go away, even when I was at 100mcg and a FT3 of 7.0. I think I have to continue playing with the T3 dose to see if I'm taking too much or if I possibly need more. BUT, I also know that my adrenals are not totally healed and need some form of help...just not the HC. I have taken 's adrenal builder in the past but it makes me very jittery. If you don't mind me asking, could you please tell me more about the dessicated adrenals that you are

taking. Would I need a prescription or is this something I could get in a store or order online? Thank you so much for chiming in!!

,Hope its ok to chime in here. I also had problems with HC. Got extremely bloated all over but especially in the abdomen. My doctor weaned me off the HC at 2.5mg a week so I am sure that is ok for you too. She also started me on Standard Process Dessicated Adrenal in the am. I take 6 pills between 7 & 8 am. I am noticing a difference in how I feel AND I am not noticing any side effects except I think it may be helping me to lose weight BECAUSE it is helping my thyrioid to address the adrenals.Hope this helps.Venizia

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

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Thanks again Nick. I will just continue toying with the dose of T3 and possibly find another alternative for the adrenals....I know they are better but not 100%.

> But if temps are good, not too high and pulse is not too high then I'm on a good dose, correct?>Nick, thank you so much!! Your patience and advice is so appreciated. . > You seem to be thinking straight.Stable temperature (averages day to day) = adrenals that are OK.If temperature is still low then it's a case of raise the T3.If adrenals are marginal then small doses quite often are the best wayto take the T3.Nick

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What me, Nick? My temp is always fine. Maybe my adrenals are fine too? And my temp is always fine, even if I do raise T3. Nothing makes sense in me.Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3 Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 3:59 PM

 

Thanks again Nick.  I will just continue toying with the dose of T3 and possibly find another alternative for the adrenals.... I know they are better but not 100%.

 

 

 

>  But if temps are good, not too high and pulse is not too high then I'm on a good dose, correct?>Nick, thank you so much!!   Your patience and advice is so appreciated. .   > You seem to be thinking straight.Stable temperature (averages day to day) = adrenals that are OK.If temperature is still low then it's a case of raise the T3.If adrenals are marginal then small doses quite often are the best wayto take the T3.Nick