T3 pooling

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>What me, Nick? My temp is always fine. Maybe my adrenals are fine too? And my

temp is always fine, even if I do raise T3. Nothing makes sense in me.

>

That was to

Nick

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I know. And I meant "what about me, Nick?" - As I compare myself to others, and my body doesn't make any sense compare to others.. I don't have low temps at all..

>What me, Nick? My temp is always fine. Maybe my adrenals are fine too? And my temp is always fine, even if I do raise T3. Nothing makes sense in me.

>

That was to

Nick

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>

>I know. And I meant " what about me, Nick? " - As I compare myself to others, and

my body doesn't make any sense compare to others.. I don't have low temps at

all..

Ah, but you keep telling me about an infection

Nick

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I was thinking the same thing....

infection can cause a rise in temperature!

From: Nick Foot

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:49 AM

To: RT3_T3

Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"

>>I know. And I meant "what about me, Nick?" - As I compare myself to others, and my body doesn't make any sense compare to others.. I don't have low temps at all.. :(Ah, but you keep telling me about an infectionNick

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But would an infection give me a constant 27.0 C (98.6) pretty much every single time I measure the temp?>>I know. And I meant "what about me, Nick?" - As I compare myself to others, and my body doesn't make any sense compare to others.. I don't have low temps at all.. :(Ah, but you keep telling me about an infectionNick

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I meant 37.0 C (98.6 F) !!! >>I know. And I meant "what about me, Nick?" - As I compare myself to others, and my body doesn't make any sense compare to others.. I don't have low temps at all.. :(Ah, but you keep telling me about an infectionNick

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Hi ,

I've been at this for about 5 years. Sigh, has it really been that long? Of

course, much of that was before I found this group.

I think the t3 is getting into my cells at present. I meant in the past when it

wasn't. And actually, this happened to me again only a few weeks ago, because I

went up on t3 too fast (for me anyway). I think I blew right on by my sweet spot

or at least caused more stress than my adrenals could handle. I helt MORE hypo

and I swelled up. I took some extra HC for a couple of days, but it didn't help

too much. Like you, I can't take as much HC anymore, which I think is a good

sign! But I am still on about 15 mg.

Anyway, when I felt so hypo and was swelling, I just had to experiment because I

wasn't sure if I was on too much or too little HC, but my gut said too much

because the more I took, the worse I felt and I was retaining so much water,

which is for me always a sign the t3 isn't getting into the cells. Taking extra

HC didn't seem to help much and I think made me feel almost worse even. So I

just cut my t3 almost in half and THEN it started to get into the cells because

I felt the hypo lifting and the edema all went away. So basically I am sort of

starting over at this point and going slowly now to see if and when I need to

raise the t3.

I am not sure if my schedule will help you, it has been so crazy and I am not on

that much t3 at all. I am only on 37.5 mcg Cynomel right now, lol. I was all

over the place the past few months as high as 112 t3 and 5 mg HC due sudden

severe headaches(long story, which I'm sure you don't want to hear...) So

ANYWAY, I basically had to start all over again, so I'm only on this low dose,

but in all honesty, I don't think I am going to need a lot of t3. That's just

me, but Val told me Dr. Lowe's exwife only takes 50 mcg so there are people out

there who don't need as much.

So I'm actually still experimenting with timing of doses, etc. I was doing the

bedtime dose, but honestly it didn't seem to work for me and I unfortunately do

better with small doses spread out, so right now I'm dosing every 2 and 1/2 hour

or 5 times a day. Hopefully I won't have to do that forever.

I've been through the wringer, too. I kept going off t3 due to issues that made

me think I was on too much (which probably was not the case). At one point, a

doc had me on too much progesterone, and I got all sweaty and having panic

attacks, which I thought were the t3 when likely was PG blocking cortisol from

getting to receptors or turning into too much cortisol. And then I found out I

have latent viruses which was probably making me feel hot and sweaty all the

time, too, and giving me a ton of adrenal stress, so that I had to take so much

HC to tolerate the t3, I got scared and came off the t3 so I could get down on

the HC.

So, yeah, it's a very long story! Only now, after starting to address the

infections and my adrenals seemed to have healed a bit do I think I can finally

find the right amount of t3 for me and actually stay on it.

Oh, about the bloating, I don't think I'm the only one. I think I have read

other posts on it. Have you tried the advanced search on this board? Mine was

not only unsightly, it was downright painful! I don't know what was up that, but

it seemed to just go away as I reduced HC and got up on t3. (Remember, I wasn't

on any t3 for a while.) I am pretty certain yours will resolve, too. For what

it's worth, I tend to bloat any time I have gone off thyroid meds, so maybe the

adjustment of the meds can cause it, too. Just a thought.

Hope you feel better today. Let me know how you do on the reduce t3 dose.

Kathleen

>

> Thanks again Kathleen. I do appreciate the extra recommendations and the

help to try to figure out the situation.  My situation is so long and drawn

out because of the meds I was taking months back and what I am presently

taking. I think that I am going to back off the T3 few the next few days and

see how I do.  I'm thinking that my adrenals have undergone some healing and

I just need to find that T3 spot.  I would say that I have gradually weaned

off the HC over this past month and a half and I weaned at about 2.5mg per

week.  I don't think it was too fast.  I think with the real HC my

adrenals did very well vs the SR and they were able to get some relief.

> We went out tonight to visit friends and I am late getting my last bedtime

dose of T3....I have very little back pain right now which seems to tell me

something.  I really think that I must just be taking too much T3. Tomorrow

I think I will back off the T3 and see how it goes.

>

> When you said this.. " I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or

is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high? " Â That is

exactly what I was thinking....there is that fine line and it's tough to figure

it all out.Â

> Â

> When you say that the T3 is not getting into your cells, what schedule are you

on at present?  It is good to talk to people with similar situations. It

can sometimes be a big help.  I've been at this a while and I do understand

so much more than I ever thought I would thanks to Val.  How long have you

been at this?  You are the only person that I have come across that has had

problems with the bloating too.  I don't feel any discomfort within my

stomach...it is just this high hard abdominal swelling where I can't even bend

at the waist. So strange and sort of isolated.Â

> Â

> Thanks again for your concern and comments. I wish you continued luck too.

> Â

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YES, if your adrenals are stable, then why wouldn't your temperature be constant

and steady from a chronic infection???

>

> >

> >I

> know. And I meant " what about me, Nick? " - As I compare myself to others, and

my

> body doesn't make any sense compare to others.. I don't have low temps at

all..

>

>

> Ah, but you keep telling me about an

> infection

>

> Nick

>

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Thanks again Kathleen for sharing your story. Looking back I know that I have most likely had adrenal issues first and then Hypo-T developing more than 10 years. I just didn't realize until it was too late and things were really bad.

I think I am dealing with the same issues as you in so far as somehow missing my sweet spot. And I have really been curious about this swelling situation. Knowing now that you and Venezia have both had this happen and can relate it to the HC is a puzzle solved. I had been experimenting with both the T3 and the HC and figured it was the HC. I will just continue experimenting and see if I can find that spot. I take estrogen, progesterone, testosterone and DHEA so I know that all this has to fall into place as well. Hey, I've hung in this long. I'm not about to let it go to the wayside at this point.I did cut my bedtime dose of T3 last night and I seem to be doing a little better today. Thanks for asking.

Thanks again for sharing your story with me. I wish you continued improvement!

Hi ,I've been at this for about 5 years. Sigh, has it really been that long? Of course, much of that was before I found this group.I think the t3 is getting into my cells at present. I meant in the past when it wasn't. And actually, this happened to me again only a few weeks ago, because I went up on t3 too fast (for me anyway). I think I blew right on by my sweet spot or at least caused more stress than my adrenals could handle. I helt MORE hypo and I swelled up. I took some extra HC for a couple of days, but it didn't help too much. Like you, I can't take as much HC anymore, which I think is a good sign! But I am still on about 15 mg. Anyway, when I felt so hypo and was swelling, I just had to experiment because I wasn't sure if I was on too much or too little HC, but my gut said too much because the more I took, the worse I felt and I was retaining so much water, which is for me always a sign the t3 isn't getting into

the cells. Taking extra HC didn't seem to help much and I think made me feel almost worse even. So I just cut my t3 almost in half and THEN it started to get into the cells because I felt the hypo lifting and the edema all went away. So basically I am sort of starting over at this point and going slowly now to see if and when I need to raise the t3. I am not sure if my schedule will help you, it has been so crazy and I am not on that much t3 at all. I am only on 37.5 mcg Cynomel right now, lol. I was all over the place the past few months as high as 112 t3 and 5 mg HC due sudden severe headaches(long story, which I'm sure you don't want to hear...) So ANYWAY, I basically had to start all over again, so I'm only on this low dose, but in all honesty, I don't think I am going to need a lot of t3. That's just me, but Val told me Dr. Lowe's exwife only takes 50 mcg so there are people out there who don't need as much. So I'm actually still

experimenting with timing of doses, etc. I was doing the bedtime dose, but honestly it didn't seem to work for me and I unfortunately do better with small doses spread out, so right now I'm dosing every 2 and 1/2 hour or 5 times a day. Hopefully I won't have to do that forever.I've been through the wringer, too. I kept going off t3 due to issues that made me think I was on too much (which probably was not the case). At one point, a doc had me on too much progesterone, and I got all sweaty and having panic attacks, which I thought were the t3 when likely was PG blocking cortisol from getting to receptors or turning into too much cortisol. And then I found out I have latent viruses which was probably making me feel hot and sweaty all the time, too, and giving me a ton of adrenal stress, so that I had to take so much HC to tolerate the t3, I got scared and came off the t3 so I could get down on the HC. So, yeah, it's a very long story! Only

now, after starting to address the infections and my adrenals seemed to have healed a bit do I think I can finally find the right amount of t3 for me and actually stay on it.Oh, about the bloating, I don't think I'm the only one. I think I have read other posts on it. Have you tried the advanced search on this board? Mine was not only unsightly, it was downright painful! I don't know what was up that, but it seemed to just go away as I reduced HC and got up on t3. (Remember, I wasn't on any t3 for a while.) I am pretty certain yours will resolve, too. For what it's worth, I tend to bloat any time I have gone off thyroid meds, so maybe the adjustment of the meds can cause it, too. Just a thought.Hope you feel better today. Let me know how you do on the reduce t3 dose.Kathleen>> Thanks again Kathleen. I do appreciate the extra recommendations and the help to try to figure out the situation.  My situation is so long and drawn out because of the meds I was taking months back and what I am presently taking. I think that I am going to back off the T3 few the next few days and see how I do.  I'm thinking that my adrenals have undergone some healing and I just need to find that T3 spot.  I would say that I have gradually weaned off the HC over this past month and a half and I weaned at about 2.5mg per week.  I don't think it was too fast.  I think with the real HC my adrenals did very well vs the SR and they were able to get some relief.> We went out tonight to visit friends and I am late getting my last

bedtime dose of T3....I have very little back pain right now which seems to tell me something.  I really think that I must just be taking too much T3. Tomorrow I think I will back off the T3 and see how it goes.> > When you said this.."I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?" That is exactly what I was thinking.... there is that fine line and it's tough to figure it all out. >  > When you say that the T3 is not getting into your cells, what schedule are you on at present?  It is good to talk to people with similar situations. It can sometimes be a big help.  I've been at this a while and I do understand so much more than I ever thought I would thanks to Val.  How long have you been at this?  You are the only person that I have come

across that has had problems with the bloating too.  I don't feel any discomfort within my stomach...it is just this high hard abdominal swelling where I can't even bend at the waist. So strange and sort of isolated. >  > Thanks again for your concern and comments. I wish you continued luck too.>  > >  > >

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Hi ,The adrenal I am taking is not a prescription but I am not sure every pharmacy would carry it. I get mine at a compounding pharmacy which they store behind the counter. This is the companies on line link: standardprocess.com. Here is another link from standard process which gives info on dessicated adrenal: <http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=7> Venizia

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

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,

I am also very interested in adrenal support that is not HC. How much to you pay per bottle (# pills per bottle) for your adrenal supplement? I think Metagenics sells a similar product which you can order on-line from the Professional Supplement Center with free shipping. The ingredient is "dessicated bovine" and 3 pills of Metagenics seems to be equivalent to what you are taking. It is $17 for a bottle of 90 pills. Just want to make sure I am comparing apples to apples.

Thanks,

Beth

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 4:02:59 PMSubject: Re: Re: T3 "pooling"

Hi ,The adrenal I am taking is not a prescription but I am not sure every pharmacy would carry it. I get mine at a compounding pharmacy which they store behind the counter. This is the companies on line link: standardprocess. com. Here is another link from standard process which gives info on dessicated adrenal: <http://www.standard process.com/ display/Standard ProcessCatalog. spi?ID=7> Venizia

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

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Oops -- Sorry -- this should have been directed to Venezia not .

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 4:59:25 PMSubject: Re: Re: T3 "pooling"

,

I am also very interested in adrenal support that is not HC. How much to you pay per bottle (# pills per bottle) for your adrenal supplement? I think Metagenics sells a similar product which you can order on-line from the Professional Supplement Center with free shipping.. The ingredient is "dessicated bovine" and 3 pills of Metagenics seems to be equivalent to what you are taking. It is $17 for a bottle of 90 pills. Just want to make sure I am comparing apples to apples.

Thanks,

Beth

From: Carol <nelsoncksbcglobal (DOT) net>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sun, January 24, 2010 4:02:59 PMSubject: Re: Re: T3 "pooling"

Hi ,The adrenal I am taking is not a prescription but I am not sure every pharmacy would carry it. I get mine at a compounding pharmacy which they store behind the counter. This is the companies on line link: standardprocess. com. Here is another link from standard process which gives info on dessicated adrenal: <http://www.standard process.com/ display/Standard ProcessCatalog. spi?ID=7> Venizia

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

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Hi Beth,Standard Process has 90 pills per bottle of Bovine adrenal plus carrot root. Don't ask me why the carrot root. I pay $12. I do not have to pay for shipping because I get it at my local pharmacy.Venizia

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

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Venezia,

I just found it on Amazon.com for $12, but there are shipping charges of $9. I'm thinking I might go with the Metagenics version and get the free shipping.

Thanks for the info.

Beth

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 5:57:38 PMSubject: Re: Re: T3 "pooling"

Hi Beth,Standard Process has 90 pills per bottle of Bovine adrenal plus carrot root. Don't ask me why the carrot root. I pay $12. I do not have to pay for shipping because I get it at my local pharmacy.Venizia

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

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Hi Beth,

I have taken a product in the past called "Adrenal Rebuilder" by Future Formulations. It is a combination with porcine adrenal, gonadal, hypothalmus and pituitary concentrate. It is about $35.00 for a bottle of 90 caps. I have used it in the past and really did not get much relief from the product but it was also during a time when I most likely need something stronger like the HC. But, just recently I tried it again and it made me sort of jittery....could be that I was using HC and Isocort at the time as well. Maybe overkill.

The product that Venezia was telling me about is Standard Process Dessicated adrenal. Itis Bovine adrenal and I found it on the internet for about $12.00 for a bottle of 90. I ordered a bottle today and will give it a try. I have used some Metagenic's product but never the adrenal supplements you are talking about.

Hope this helps.

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Venizia....I ordered some today. I'll give it a try and see if it helps.

Hi ,The adrenal I am taking is not a prescription but I am not sure every pharmacy would carry it. I get mine at a compounding pharmacy which they store behind the counter. This is the companies on line link: standardprocess. com. Here is another link from standard process which gives info on dessicated adrenal: <http://www.standard process.com/ display/Standard ProcessCatalog. spi?ID=7> Venizia

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Yes it seems more economical. I would do that but I don't want to change what is working. Glad I could help.Venizia

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Hope it DOES help . I know you have had a difficult time for a long time. The bottle says take 2 a day but remember my doctor has me taking 6 between 7 and 8 am. So keep that in mind.My adrenals showed on the saliva test that I was low in the a.m. and I am amazed at how much better I feel in the morning now. I was NEVER a morning person and this is probably why.Let us know how you do with it.Venizia

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Venizia....I will let you know how I do with the product and I am so glad that you are doing so much better. I think you and I started with Val about the same time and I am so glad to hear that you are doing better. Thanks for chiming in and letting me know about the adrenal product. I am anxious to give it a try because I am not a morning person either....but I sure would like to be. I hope your Son is doing alright these days. I listened to Dr. Lowe on "Shoe Talk" and heard your call. Thanks again for being there and for the advice. It is very appreciated.

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

oops, I meant "Talk Shoe", LOL.

Venizia....I will let you know how I do with the product and I am so glad that you are doing so much better. I think you and I started with Val about the same time and I am so glad to hear that you are doing better. Thanks for chiming in and letting me know about the adrenal product. I am anxious to give it a try because I am not a morning person either....but I sure would like to be. I hope your Son is doing alright these days. I listened to Dr. Lowe on "Shoe Talk" and heard your call. Thanks again for being there and for the advice. It is very appreciated.

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Knew what you meant My son sees an endo Feb. 1st. Not happy about seeing an endo but I guess we will start there. I will be going with him which he was NOT happy about but I told him I know what to ask AND what to look out for. He really needs to do something. His neck is getting bigger and bigger. Dr Lowe suggested it might be related to Cushing's I sure hope not. I have a friend that dealt with that and it was very unpleasant....she had surgery on her pituitary.I missed last weeks show and I have been planning on listening to the taped version and just have not had the time. Gotta do it this week!! Hope the best for you!!!Venizia

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Again, Thanks! I'll keep you and your son in my prayers. I would be the same way, in fact my daughter has problems and I go with her to her Dr. everytime. I wasted too many years not knowing what to do or that I even had a problem. I feel it's my responsibility to help them, whether they like it or not. Good luck to you at the Endo's. Please keep me posted. Wishing the best for you and your son as well.

From: keickholt13 <keickholt13@ comcast.net>Subject: Re: T3 "pooling"To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:42 PM

,Did you feel well on 100 even though the ft3 was high? If you have thyroid hormone resistance, it will be elevated and that number will be meaningles. Dr. lowe talks about this, but I'm sure you already know all this...I know what you are thinking -- do I need even more t3 or is not getting to my cells and that's why the labs were so high?That's a toughie, I know. Been there myself.Saliva testing would help, I'm sure. I know I've bloated terribly from too much HC, but I've also bloated from being hypo (from not enough t3, not hypo due to pooling.)God, I know it's tough! For me, it the t3 is not getting to the cells, I always get ankle edema. How fast did you come off the HC? I wonder if you came off it too fast as I know you said you were doing fine on 100 before and now are not. I am not sure why it is causing bloating now. Maybe it is just bothering your stomach and you could try HC cream?? I'm

just tossing out ideas here!Hopefully Val will have some advice tomorrow. Maybe try HC cream in the meantime and see if that helps?I wish you the best!Kathleen> >> > Hi Venezia and Kathleen,> >  > > Yes my symptoms are strange.  It is very difficult for me to tell whether this is thyroid or adrenal. My RT3 is <17 so yes I have cleared that problem and the T3 should be able to get into the cells but I also think that I 'm either taking too

little T3 or too much T3.  That is the problem, I think.  My temps are also averaging 98.6-7. The RT3 has been cleared for months but I have just had a difficult time adjusting to the proper dose. I do believe that my adrenals are almost healed since I have had to stop taking HC and now take very little Isocort. I'm experimenting with SRHC at night because I have just recently started having the panic attacks at night and I'm pretty sure this is adrenal related.   I was sleeping fairly well too and now I'm waking around 3-4am again.   I'm not sure what is causing this but I tend to believe I most likely need more HC or Isocort at night.  I'm> experimenting with this also. Hopefully when> > Val comes aboard tomorrow she will be

able to shed some light on my situation.  I sure hope so.  The low back pain is the worse.> >  > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

>But, just recently I tried it again and it made me sort of jittery....could be

that I was using HC and Isocort at the time as well.  Maybe overkill.

> 

Jittery can be due to adrenaline.

You really need " adrenal cortex " glandulars, not " whole adrenal " .

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

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>

>I meant 37.0 C (98.6 F) !!!

I have no idea

Have you tried more than one thermometer????

Nick