Re: Zinc-Vitamin C-Copper-Iron connetion

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Go to www.ithyroid .com to read about how copper and iron and zinc interact. I got my ferritin from 36 to 180 in three months by supplementing with all three..

MacG.

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Fri, 22 January, 2010 19:45:32Subject: Zinc-Vitamin C-Copper-Iron connetion

Did you all know that if you take too much Zinc and Vitamin C over time, it can lead to a loss of Copper, which again can result in bad absorption or iron, and iron loss?

I learned this yesterday after getting my hair mineral analysis results. I was told to stop taking Zinc, max 500 mg Vitamin C daily, and NOT take big doses of iron - If I only take some copper instead, I would see my Ferritin rise quickly.

I have both taken "biggish" doses of Zinc (60 mg) and Vitamin C (up to 4000 mg) daily. As well as 150 mg iron daily. Maybe copper is all I need. . . . .

Not sure what do think yet, but, it makes sense after reading some online about this.

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Yeah, I have heard this but for some people taking copper is a bad idea. Some of

us, those with amalgams or with mercury are high copper and taking it will cause

problems.

As I said in my other post to about hair tests, I interpret hundreds of these a

year and find it odd how some practitioners think they are reliable for tweaking

mineral supplements. They are very useful for many things, like determining

toxicity, endocrine function, digestive function. But not for deficiency, when

sometimes a high element means your wasting it, not toxic in it, and sometimes a

low one means your toxic or deficient....without doing a lot of research into

how the minerals present in hair...it's hard to just say you need copper because

your hair copper is low. When that is probably not true.

So to me..no this is not making sense. If you want to verify if you really need

copper, you need a serum copper test, or whole blood cell copper. In all

honestly we need very little copper and most of us get this by drinking tap

water. So hardly ever is supplementing needed, that I have seen anyway.

Is this by chance a nutritionist using hair tests to tell you what to take?

Jan

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> Did you all know that if you take too much Zinc and Vitamin C over time, it

can lead to a loss of Copper, which again can result in bad absorption or iron,

and iron loss?

>

> I learned this yesterday after getting my hair mineral analysis results. I was

told to stop taking Zinc, max 500 mg Vitamin C daily, and NOT take big doses of

iron - If I only take some copper instead, I would see my Ferritin rise quickly.

> I have both taken " biggish " doses of Zinc (60 mg) and Vitamin C (up to 4000

mg) daily. As well as 150 mg iron daily. Maybe copper is all I need. . . . .

> Not sure what do think yet, but, it makes sense after reading some online

about this.

>

>

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Thanks a lot for your feedback on this Jan!I am just.. Completely confused about supplements now.. I know several supplements work well together.. But why on earth would my talented and experienced specialist, who gave me HC and ERFA Thyroid, then T3-only, give me supplements that don't work together? Shouldn't she know that taking a lot of Zinc causes Copper to go away? I hear your thoughts on the hair though... Maybe I shouldn't trust it? Even if the TRACE ELEMENTS supercomputer compiled me a list of supplements to take, including COPPER PLUS - That's a supplement with 2 mgs of copper daily, the same amount as in my multivitamin which I stopped a few months ago, because it has iodine in it, and iodine is bad for rT3 - Right?Subject: Re: Zinc-Vitamin C-Copper-Iron connetionTo: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 8:23 PM

Yeah, I have heard this but for some people taking copper is a bad idea. Some of us, those with amalgams or with mercury are high copper and taking it will cause problems.

As I said in my other post to about hair tests, I interpret hundreds of these a year and find it odd how some practitioners think they are reliable for tweaking mineral supplements. They are very useful for many things, like determining toxicity, endocrine function, digestive function. But not for deficiency, when sometimes a high element means your wasting it, not toxic in it, and sometimes a low one means your toxic or deficient... .without doing a lot of research into how the minerals present in hair...it's hard to just say you need copper because your hair copper is low. When that is probably not true.

So to me..no this is not making sense. If you want to verify if you really need copper, you need a serum copper test, or whole blood cell copper. In all honestly we need very little copper and most of us get this by drinking tap water. So hardly ever is supplementing needed, that I have seen anyway.

Is this by chance a nutritionist using hair tests to tell you what to take?

Jan

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> Did you all know that if you take too much Zinc and Vitamin C over time, it can lead to a loss of Copper, which again can result in bad absorption or iron, and iron loss?

>

> I learned this yesterday after getting my hair mineral analysis results. I was told to stop taking Zinc, max 500 mg Vitamin C daily, and NOT take big doses of iron - If I only take some copper instead, I would see my Ferritin rise quickly.

> I have both taken "biggish" doses of Zinc (60 mg) and Vitamin C (up to 4000 mg) daily. As well as 150 mg iron daily. Maybe copper is all I need. . . . .

> Not sure what do think yet, but, it makes sense after reading some online about this.

>

>

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> That's a supplement with 2 mgs of copper daily, the same amount as in my

multivitamin which I stopped a few months ago, because it has iodine in it, and

iodine is bad for rT3 - Right?

Depends on the quantity. There isn't a lot of iodine in a multi, it's

when people with hashi's supplement large amounts of iodine that

antibodies take off and strange things happen

I suspect the amount in a multi is neither here nor there and you

don't have Hashi's

Nick

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I was just thinking of iodine as promoting T4.. But if I take more and more T3-med, my T4 will lessen and lessen anyway. Am I right? Why does Dr. recommend iodine to people no T3-only for rT3-dominance? Trying to get it!

> That's a supplement with 2 mgs of copper daily, the same amount as in my multivitamin which I stopped a few months ago, because it has iodine in it, and iodine is bad for rT3 - Right?

Depends on the quantity. There isn't a lot of iodine in a multi, it's

when people with hashi's supplement large amounts of iodine that

antibodies take off and strange things happen

I suspect the amount in a multi is neither here nor there and you

don't have Hashi's

Nick

[Guest guest]

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>I was just thinking of iodine as promoting T4.. But if I take more and more

T3-med, my T4 will lessen and lessen anyway. Am I right?

Yep, Added hormone = lowered TSH = less production.

With Hashi's the antibodies can trigger production without TSH giving

surges.

>Why does Dr. recommend iodine to people no T3-only for rT3-dominance?

Trying to get it!

There is a lot of what Dr does that I am not happy with. I've

not had the opportunity to read his books though so am working on

hearsay and not facts.

Nick

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Yeah. So... We don't really need iodine for the metabolism when we are on meds for hypothyroidism. BUT we need iodine for a lot of other things in the body. The point is.. Iodine won't do any harm! Only good things. , however, said that iodine is a no-no when having rT3-issues. Wonder what that is all about! She must be onto something!Well, as there is 2 mg of copper in my local bought Norwegian Multi vitamin, I want to take it. But when? It has 14 mgs of iron in it, which is considered as 100% of the daily RDI over here. We have VERY low limits of everything in Norway. Thanks to Codex Alimentarius. (Google it!)Should I take my multi with 14 mg iron and 150 mcg iodine, and if so, when? :-)Dr. is a pioneer, although not a perfect one huh.

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>I was just thinking of iodine as promoting T4.. But if I take more and more T3-med, my T4 will lessen and lessen anyway. Am I right?

Yep, Added hormone = lowered TSH = less production.

With Hashi's the antibodies can trigger production without TSH giving

surges.

>Why does Dr. recommend iodine to people no T3-only for rT3-dominance? Trying to get it!

There is a lot of what Dr does that I am not happy with. I've

not had the opportunity to read his books though so am working on

hearsay and not facts.

Nick

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before my husband died...we had a goat herd..which caused me to do my

research into mineral deficiencies of herds in this area....it had a LOT

to do with soil...and well water .....available in various geographic

areas.

our specific area was excessively hugely high in (molybdium?) and

horrendously high in IRON, and iron-eating-bacteria., according to the

well pump business in the area that serviced our well pump and water.

Therefore, there are a LOT of things that can affect mineral absorbtion in

your digestion, and within your body.

Since the goats were severely deficient in copper, in SPITE of additional

supplementation...we had the UC DAVIS Veterinary school do a copper and

other mineral assay on the liver of a senior deceased goat..and their

report showed .......that in SPITE of previous additional supplementation

of copper, the goat that died, was STILL SEVERELY DEFICIENT in copper.

.......but was " within normal limits " , when the eyeball was diassected and

assayed for selenium content.....since we ALSO lived in a

Selenium-deficient SOIL area.

SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF ALL THIS???

That there are MANY FACTORS within the available reasons for deficiencies

and excesses of various minerals.

On top of that....I had a hair mineral analysis done for myself,....by the

USA's LEADER in accuracy .....of hair analysis..Genova Diagnostics,....to

determine if I was taking too much copper and some other minerals...and to

my STUNNED HORROR and AMAZEMENT !!!!! ... I was being Poisoned by Lead,

Arsenic, Cadmium and antimony.

So my first suspician was the Huge amount of daily Feverfew herb, that I

was using daily, with a small amount of L-lysine, for control of chronic

cold sores...an herb that was supposed to be certified, etc. and ....if

that's not the cause, the next thing I plan to do is,.... I need to have

my well water analyzed.

C. Hunter

> Yeah, I have heard this but for some people taking copper is a bad idea.

> Some of us, those with amalgams or with mercury are high copper and taking

> it will cause problems.

>

> As I said in my other post to about hair tests, I interpret hundreds of

> these a year and find it odd how some practitioners think they are

> reliable for tweaking mineral supplements. They are very useful for many

> things, like determining toxicity, endocrine function, digestive function.

> But not for deficiency, when sometimes a high element means your wasting

> it, not toxic in it, and sometimes a low one means your toxic or

> deficient....without doing a lot of research into how the minerals present

> in hair...it's hard to just say you need copper because your hair copper

> is low. When that is probably not true.

>

> So to me..no this is not making sense. If you want to verify if you really

> need copper, you need a serum copper test, or whole blood cell copper. In

> all honestly we need very little copper and most of us get this by

> drinking tap water. So hardly ever is supplementing needed, that I have

> seen anyway.

>

> Is this by chance a nutritionist using hair tests to tell you what to

> take?

> Jan

>

>

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>> Did you all know that if you take too much Zinc and Vitamin C over time,

>> it can lead to a loss of Copper, which again can result in bad

>> absorption

> or iron, and iron loss?

>

>>

>> I learned this yesterday after getting my hair mineral analysis results.

>> I was told to stop taking Zinc, max 500 mg Vitamin C daily, and NOT take

>> big doses of iron - If I only take some copper instead, I would see my

>> Ferritin rise quickly.

>> I have both taken " biggish " doses of Zinc (60 mg) and Vitamin C (up to

>> 4000 mg) daily. As well as 150 mg iron daily. Maybe copper is all I

>> need. . . . .

>> Not sure what do think yet, but, it makes sense after reading some

>> online about this.

>>

>>

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