Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Pam, Thanks for the info/warning on Vitamin C. Can you buy copper supplements in the drugstore? Do you take any? If so, how much? BTW, you could always call yourself " AlmostSane " *wink* LOL Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Vitamin C does the same to me. I was reading somewhere that vitamin C that you buy in a tablet form (Asorbic Acid) is not the same as vitamin C found in foods. It does not contain a complete C complex and depletes your body of other vitamins. In particular they were talking about Vitamin P (I think) which is part of the C complex. If you are missing Vitamin P then the corners of your mouth tend to crack. So I've been trying to get my C from natural sources and it doesn't seem to cause the hyper reaction. And the cracks in corners of my mouth are gone. Pam B. (Sticking with the B. to avoid confusion > Hi All, > I'm still here, just working a lot. > > Some time back I asked about vitamin C, as I found 'for me' it is a definite trigger for > hyper symptoms. Obviously a concern as you need the stuff. > Others here did not seem to have the problem so for awhile I thought it was all in my > head, and I tried it a few times, with the same results. <sigh> > > Then ( duh ), I looked further, and found this at ithyroid.com. > > > > VITAMIN C, ASCORBIC ACID > > Thyroidal function: Helps facilitate copper metabolism and therefore slows thyroidal > function. Excessive vitamin C supplementation > without copper may deplete copper and promote hyperthyroidism. > > So if you are going to add extra C , I would suggest you do so in small amounts, finding > out if it is a issue for you, rather than taking a bunch, and figuring out the hard way. > Zoom, zoom, CRASH ......... > > -Pam- who is also confused by three of us, but unsure of what to call myself :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Vitamin C does the same to me. I was reading somewhere that vitamin C that you buy in a tablet form (Asorbic Acid) is not the same as vitamin C found in foods. It does not contain a complete C complex and depletes your body of other vitamins. In particular they were talking about Vitamin P (I think) which is part of the C complex. If you are missing Vitamin P then the corners of your mouth tend to crack. So I've been trying to get my C from natural sources and it doesn't seem to cause the hyper reaction. And the cracks in corners of my mouth are gone. Pam B. (Sticking with the B. to avoid confusion > Hi All, > I'm still here, just working a lot. > > Some time back I asked about vitamin C, as I found 'for me' it is a definite trigger for > hyper symptoms. Obviously a concern as you need the stuff. > Others here did not seem to have the problem so for awhile I thought it was all in my > head, and I tried it a few times, with the same results. <sigh> > > Then ( duh ), I looked further, and found this at ithyroid.com. > > > > VITAMIN C, ASCORBIC ACID > > Thyroidal function: Helps facilitate copper metabolism and therefore slows thyroidal > function. Excessive vitamin C supplementation > without copper may deplete copper and promote hyperthyroidism. > > So if you are going to add extra C , I would suggest you do so in small amounts, finding > out if it is a issue for you, rather than taking a bunch, and figuring out the hard way. > Zoom, zoom, CRASH ......... > > -Pam- who is also confused by three of us, but unsure of what to call myself :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hi Pam I too am interested in the actual name and brand of your copper products. I tried to find some yesterday and they are only found in vitamins here and they seem to all have iodine. Almostsane, I like that. <grin> Trouble is, it is most of us. Sue At 01:48 PM 21/02/2002 EST, you wrote: > Pam, > If so, how much? > > " " *wink* LOL > > Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hi Pam I too am interested in the actual name and brand of your copper products. I tried to find some yesterday and they are only found in vitamins here and they seem to all have iodine. Almostsane, I like that. <grin> Trouble is, it is most of us. Sue At 01:48 PM 21/02/2002 EST, you wrote: > Pam, > If so, how much? > > " " *wink* LOL > > Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Thank you Pam for the completeness of your post on Copper. Seems that I remember reading somewhere, some time ago about either hyper's or hypo's having trouble processing beta carotene...and that the skin would have an orange tint if you were having that problem? Don't know why that popped in my head when I read your post...maybe the carrots? I LOVE sunflower seeds and always put them in my salads, as a matter of fact looking at the foods you listed, I'm probably getting plenty just by my eating habits. Again, thanks for the info! Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Thank you Pam for the completeness of your post on Copper. Seems that I remember reading somewhere, some time ago about either hyper's or hypo's having trouble processing beta carotene...and that the skin would have an orange tint if you were having that problem? Don't know why that popped in my head when I read your post...maybe the carrots? I LOVE sunflower seeds and always put them in my salads, as a matter of fact looking at the foods you listed, I'm probably getting plenty just by my eating habits. Again, thanks for the info! Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Thank you Pam for the completeness of your post on Copper. Seems that I remember reading somewhere, some time ago about either hyper's or hypo's having trouble processing beta carotene...and that the skin would have an orange tint if you were having that problem? Don't know why that popped in my head when I read your post...maybe the carrots? I LOVE sunflower seeds and always put them in my salads, as a matter of fact looking at the foods you listed, I'm probably getting plenty just by my eating habits. Again, thanks for the info! Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Pam B, I am so glad to hear of someone else that has noticed this vit. C, zoom, zoom thing. Just as glad as when I found that info on 's site. You know, we get so accustomed to thinking we are crazy, finally get diagnosed, find lists and BB , decide we are not crazy......but then no one here had a vit. C problem. Yikes. = :-o Doris, Thinking 'Almost Sane' , best be saved for the future. Tee hee..... Doctor still refuses to say I am not crazy. <grin> I keep asking. Happy to have an endo with a sense of humor though.( I think??? ) For the new people on the block, You will find me on other BBs using the name Almostcrazy , which was REALLY appropriate back when I first got this computer, with the only reason being to figure out all this Graves stuff. Picture me, knowing nothing about computers, found my first BB and had to think of a screen name real fast. I am still surprised no one had used the name yet. About Copper, The best thing to do would be to look at s site. http://ithyroid.com/ I debated on the use of copper for a very long time, as it can be very toxic. And I am pretty sure there is a lot of bad advise on the internet. That said, after being on ATDs for so long, and still not feeling right, I spent a lot of time at s site, and studying the references. Plus some books from the library, and other sites. I can up with a game plan for me. That did include copper. Copper is in most multi vitamins, at 2 mg. It is also in many foods. Sunflower seeds and dark green leaves come to mind.Oh, carrots are loaded with copper. You would need to look this up to be sure. Then many people have copper plumbing in their homes. ( a salt water aquarium store would be able to test your water for copper ) You would also want to check with your city water source, and see what you are getting that way. There is debate about hair analasis...if it does work, this would tell you more. And I just found out there is a blood test that can show how much copper you have. But that was only yesterday, and I do not remember the name of it. My copper pills are made by Twin Labs, and are not in most stores. Asking the clerks is a waste of time, as they will try to send you to a gem and rock shop. I just kept looking and ended up finding them at Safeway. Go figure... I started out at 2 mg and worked up to 8mg. This was 3 or 4 days a week. And unbelievably, after some time, I finally started getting better. This was exactly when my stubborn TSH finally moved ! It had been stuck at .002 or .02 depending on the lab, for 3 years. Was it the copper ? Or was it a coincidence? I will never know for sure, but my gut tells me it was the copper. Now the bad news. I just found out a friend of mine has Leio myo Sarcoma, a very rare cancer. It is a tumor of the smooth muscle. It starts out in spots in the body, which need to be removed. It will finally end up spreading through the whole body. It is interesting that her husband feels it was her huge intake of carrot juice, full of copper that set off this final stage. ( which is why I am including this here ) He said copper in the body allows new blood vessels to form. And this is how a cancer grows. If it did not grow new blood vessels it would die. The other odd thing is that since he is involved on the internet, with other patients and spouses, he has met MANY Hashimotos patients that also have Leio Myo Sarcoma. How the two fit together I have not figured out yet. If anyone has any ideas please let me know. I am glad I took the copper, and it did work for me, but I am sure this is not the answer for everyone. I also had already figured that since I am now in remission, I do not think the extra copper is needed. But if my Graves comes back, I will cross that bridge when I come to it. -Pam- who is so sad. These people have been my friends for over 20 years. She is an emergency room physician, and did all the right things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Pam B, I am so glad to hear of someone else that has noticed this vit. C, zoom, zoom thing. Just as glad as when I found that info on 's site. You know, we get so accustomed to thinking we are crazy, finally get diagnosed, find lists and BB , decide we are not crazy......but then no one here had a vit. C problem. Yikes. = :-o Doris, Thinking 'Almost Sane' , best be saved for the future. Tee hee..... Doctor still refuses to say I am not crazy. <grin> I keep asking. Happy to have an endo with a sense of humor though.( I think??? ) For the new people on the block, You will find me on other BBs using the name Almostcrazy , which was REALLY appropriate back when I first got this computer, with the only reason being to figure out all this Graves stuff. Picture me, knowing nothing about computers, found my first BB and had to think of a screen name real fast. I am still surprised no one had used the name yet. About Copper, The best thing to do would be to look at s site. http://ithyroid.com/ I debated on the use of copper for a very long time, as it can be very toxic. And I am pretty sure there is a lot of bad advise on the internet. That said, after being on ATDs for so long, and still not feeling right, I spent a lot of time at s site, and studying the references. Plus some books from the library, and other sites. I can up with a game plan for me. That did include copper. Copper is in most multi vitamins, at 2 mg. It is also in many foods. Sunflower seeds and dark green leaves come to mind.Oh, carrots are loaded with copper. You would need to look this up to be sure. Then many people have copper plumbing in their homes. ( a salt water aquarium store would be able to test your water for copper ) You would also want to check with your city water source, and see what you are getting that way. There is debate about hair analasis...if it does work, this would tell you more. And I just found out there is a blood test that can show how much copper you have. But that was only yesterday, and I do not remember the name of it. My copper pills are made by Twin Labs, and are not in most stores. Asking the clerks is a waste of time, as they will try to send you to a gem and rock shop. I just kept looking and ended up finding them at Safeway. Go figure... I started out at 2 mg and worked up to 8mg. This was 3 or 4 days a week. And unbelievably, after some time, I finally started getting better. This was exactly when my stubborn TSH finally moved ! It had been stuck at .002 or .02 depending on the lab, for 3 years. Was it the copper ? Or was it a coincidence? I will never know for sure, but my gut tells me it was the copper. Now the bad news. I just found out a friend of mine has Leio myo Sarcoma, a very rare cancer. It is a tumor of the smooth muscle. It starts out in spots in the body, which need to be removed. It will finally end up spreading through the whole body. It is interesting that her husband feels it was her huge intake of carrot juice, full of copper that set off this final stage. ( which is why I am including this here ) He said copper in the body allows new blood vessels to form. And this is how a cancer grows. If it did not grow new blood vessels it would die. The other odd thing is that since he is involved on the internet, with other patients and spouses, he has met MANY Hashimotos patients that also have Leio Myo Sarcoma. How the two fit together I have not figured out yet. If anyone has any ideas please let me know. I am glad I took the copper, and it did work for me, but I am sure this is not the answer for everyone. I also had already figured that since I am now in remission, I do not think the extra copper is needed. But if my Graves comes back, I will cross that bridge when I come to it. -Pam- who is so sad. These people have been my friends for over 20 years. She is an emergency room physician, and did all the right things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Pam B, I am so glad to hear of someone else that has noticed this vit. C, zoom, zoom thing. Just as glad as when I found that info on 's site. You know, we get so accustomed to thinking we are crazy, finally get diagnosed, find lists and BB , decide we are not crazy......but then no one here had a vit. C problem. Yikes. = :-o Doris, Thinking 'Almost Sane' , best be saved for the future. Tee hee..... Doctor still refuses to say I am not crazy. <grin> I keep asking. Happy to have an endo with a sense of humor though.( I think??? ) For the new people on the block, You will find me on other BBs using the name Almostcrazy , which was REALLY appropriate back when I first got this computer, with the only reason being to figure out all this Graves stuff. Picture me, knowing nothing about computers, found my first BB and had to think of a screen name real fast. I am still surprised no one had used the name yet. About Copper, The best thing to do would be to look at s site. http://ithyroid.com/ I debated on the use of copper for a very long time, as it can be very toxic. And I am pretty sure there is a lot of bad advise on the internet. That said, after being on ATDs for so long, and still not feeling right, I spent a lot of time at s site, and studying the references. Plus some books from the library, and other sites. I can up with a game plan for me. That did include copper. Copper is in most multi vitamins, at 2 mg. It is also in many foods. Sunflower seeds and dark green leaves come to mind.Oh, carrots are loaded with copper. You would need to look this up to be sure. Then many people have copper plumbing in their homes. ( a salt water aquarium store would be able to test your water for copper ) You would also want to check with your city water source, and see what you are getting that way. There is debate about hair analasis...if it does work, this would tell you more. And I just found out there is a blood test that can show how much copper you have. But that was only yesterday, and I do not remember the name of it. My copper pills are made by Twin Labs, and are not in most stores. Asking the clerks is a waste of time, as they will try to send you to a gem and rock shop. I just kept looking and ended up finding them at Safeway. Go figure... I started out at 2 mg and worked up to 8mg. This was 3 or 4 days a week. And unbelievably, after some time, I finally started getting better. This was exactly when my stubborn TSH finally moved ! It had been stuck at .002 or .02 depending on the lab, for 3 years. Was it the copper ? Or was it a coincidence? I will never know for sure, but my gut tells me it was the copper. Now the bad news. I just found out a friend of mine has Leio myo Sarcoma, a very rare cancer. It is a tumor of the smooth muscle. It starts out in spots in the body, which need to be removed. It will finally end up spreading through the whole body. It is interesting that her husband feels it was her huge intake of carrot juice, full of copper that set off this final stage. ( which is why I am including this here ) He said copper in the body allows new blood vessels to form. And this is how a cancer grows. If it did not grow new blood vessels it would die. The other odd thing is that since he is involved on the internet, with other patients and spouses, he has met MANY Hashimotos patients that also have Leio Myo Sarcoma. How the two fit together I have not figured out yet. If anyone has any ideas please let me know. I am glad I took the copper, and it did work for me, but I am sure this is not the answer for everyone. I also had already figured that since I am now in remission, I do not think the extra copper is needed. But if my Graves comes back, I will cross that bridge when I come to it. -Pam- who is so sad. These people have been my friends for over 20 years. She is an emergency room physician, and did all the right things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hi Sue, I just grabbed my vitamin bottle...multi, yes copper, no iodine...They have a web site. Just looked, here it is: http://www.wildoats.com/wild_life/wild_products/wild_supplements.html I bought mine at Natures, out local natural type food store. But then I live in a land of health nuts. :-) So I have several such stores within walking distance. -Pam- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hi Sue, I just grabbed my vitamin bottle...multi, yes copper, no iodine...They have a web site. Just looked, here it is: http://www.wildoats.com/wild_life/wild_products/wild_supplements.html I bought mine at Natures, out local natural type food store. But then I live in a land of health nuts. :-) So I have several such stores within walking distance. -Pam- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hi Pam, I am so sorry to hear of your friend I wish there were something I could do or say. Know I am thinking of you and have added them to my prayer list. Jody _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hi Pam, I am so sorry to hear of your friend I wish there were something I could do or say. Know I am thinking of you and have added them to my prayer list. Jody _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Doris, No orange skin here. Gray for a long time, shades of green, there was the time right before diagnosis when I was just plain red all the time, and the time in the hospital some time back when I turned yellow......shesh ! But not orange. :-) Jody, Thank you so much. I am off to work right now , but will write later. Thanks again. -Pam- at least you can all see I did not just buy some copper foolishly. Yes, it did work, but please be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Doris, No orange skin here. Gray for a long time, shades of green, there was the time right before diagnosis when I was just plain red all the time, and the time in the hospital some time back when I turned yellow......shesh ! But not orange. :-) Jody, Thank you so much. I am off to work right now , but will write later. Thanks again. -Pam- at least you can all see I did not just buy some copper foolishly. Yes, it did work, but please be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Doris, No orange skin here. Gray for a long time, shades of green, there was the time right before diagnosis when I was just plain red all the time, and the time in the hospital some time back when I turned yellow......shesh ! But not orange. :-) Jody, Thank you so much. I am off to work right now , but will write later. Thanks again. -Pam- at least you can all see I did not just buy some copper foolishly. Yes, it did work, but please be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Morning everyone, this is my first message, although I have been reading for a bit....so I hope it works....<smile> It took me awhile to located just " Copper " , recommended dose of 2mg. I actually found in more of a health store rather than a vitamin store, when I was in the City last Fall (live in Northern Manitoba) I have ran out and feel a great difference without having the additional copper, however I have found it on the net at GNC, just type in copper. Haven't gotten this brand yet, oh ya the other brand was under " Swiss " I hope this helps and that you all see it.... Re: Vitamin C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 I can't get the Wild Oats page to show me any supplement pages. I click on it and nothing shows any descriptions or whatever. ??? Thanks, Pam wrote: > Hi Sue, > > I just grabbed my vitamin bottle...multi, yes copper, no > iodine...They have a web site. > Just looked, here it is: > > ttp://www.wildoats.com/wild_life/wild_products/wild_supplements.html > > I bought mine at Natures, out local natural type food > store. But then I live in a land of > health nuts. :-) So I have several such stores within > walking distance. > > -Pam- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 I can't get the Wild Oats page to show me any supplement pages. I click on it and nothing shows any descriptions or whatever. ??? Thanks, Pam wrote: > Hi Sue, > > I just grabbed my vitamin bottle...multi, yes copper, no > iodine...They have a web site. > Just looked, here it is: > > ttp://www.wildoats.com/wild_life/wild_products/wild_supplements.html > > I bought mine at Natures, out local natural type food > store. But then I live in a land of > health nuts. :-) So I have several such stores within > walking distance. > > -Pam- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I am just wondering- just because a supplement says " no corn " does that also mean it is not corn derived at all? Jodi SCD 14 months Crohn's/Colitis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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