Re: does RT3 dominance mess with starting HC?

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>I also feel a bit dizzy again, all more in the afternoon. (I did lower my

fludro from .125 to 1 because of going on HC. I'm on 1/2 grain NT and 25mcg

cytomel, dosing 4x/day.) But, I don't think this is the reason.

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>Does this make any sense?!?

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>Thanks Nick or Val!

Can you clarify total T3 dose and how long you have been on it? Is

that 4 x 25 a day or a total of 25 a day split into 4 doses??

I don't have the history to make sensible comments on what you have.

Can you post recent labs too?

Val is popping in and out a bit this week, she's meant to be taking a

break but does appear.

Nick

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We have learned alot since doing that chapter on how to dose and raise

HC. Liek mostly it is not a htyroi ddump we are feelgin bt adrenaline

from raising HC too slow. I believe unles oyur FT3 is high you are in no

danger holding the same dose whiile you start or raise HC., But whiel

you have high Rt3 yo DO need to stop the NT as it will only give oyu

worse symotms and a ratio of 11 is not good.

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Another thougt, I fdo nto think you should have lowered the Fludro. High

temps (even just normal when oy uKNOW your thyroid is not optimal) can

often be from low aldosterone.

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Sorry if my post was confusing. I'm only on 25mg TOTAL Cytomel because I was

having a horrible reaction raising (AND lowering NT, dosing EXACTLY correctly),

and now we know my cortisol is low. See meds and labs below. Prior to 6/09 I

was holding on 1 grain armour for a while (now I know my labs showed me to be

HYPO!) and before that I was on levoxyl, then levoxyl cytomel, etc. etc.

Medications:

• Cortef: 27.5mg/day in divided dose (10mg on waking, 7.5mg 3 hours later, 5mg

3 hours, 2.5mg 3 hours, 2.5 at bed)

• Fludrocortisone: .1mg, in divided dose (½ on waking, ½ at 2pm) JUST DROPPED

THIS LAST WEEK FROM .125mg

• 7-Keto DHEA: ~15mg on waking (doc wants me to stay on it and doesn't think

it'll muck up my cortisol, since my DHEA was only within range while on it)

• Cytomel: 25mg/day in divided dose (6.25mg on waking, 6.25mg at 11am, 6.25mg

at 2pm, 6.25 at 5pm) LAST NIGHT I TRIED THE LAST DOSE AT BED, RATHER THAN 5PM

• NatureThroid: ½ grain in divided dose (¼ grain on waking, ¼ grain at 2pm)

• Progesterone: 100mg at bed (bio-identical micronized capsule)

• Estrogen: transdermal diestrogen (estriol, estradiol) 2.5GM tube (1 gram per

day)

12/23/09 – saliva testing

• Cortisol

o 6-8am: 24 (range: 13-24)

o 11-noon: 2 (range: 5-10)

o 4-5: 1 (range: 3-8)

o 10-midnight: 2 (range: 1-4)

• Cortisol burden: 29 (range: 23-42)

• DHEA: 7 (range: 3-10) (supp'ing 7-keto, prior to that 15mg DHEA since last

test)

10/09 – serum – on 2 GRAINS NT

• FT3: 331 (range: 230-420)

• FT4: 1.1 (range: 0.8-1.8)

• RT3: 28 (range: 11-32)

• FT3/RT3 ratio: 11 (optimal: 20)

• TSH: .06 (range: .40 – 4.50)

6/09 – serum – on 1 GRAIN ARMOUR

• FT3: 279 (range: 230-420)

• FT4: 0.8 (range: 0.8-1.8)

• RT3: 16 (range: 11-32)

• FT3/RT3 ratio: 17 (optimal: 20)

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> >

> >I also feel a bit dizzy again, all more in the afternoon. (I did lower my

fludro from .125 to 1 because of going on HC. I'm on 1/2 grain NT and 25mcg

cytomel, dosing 4x/day.) But, I don't think this is the reason.

> >

> >Does this make any sense?!?

> >

> >Thanks Nick or Val!

>

> Can you clarify total T3 dose and how long you have been on it? Is

> that 4 x 25 a day or a total of 25 a day split into 4 doses??

>

> I don't have the history to make sensible comments on what you have.

>

> Can you post recent labs too?

>

> Val is popping in and out a bit this week, she's meant to be taking a

> break but does appear.

>

> Nick

>

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Thanks, Val (I posted labs on this thread, in response to nick's request.)

Okay, good to know I won't mess myself up holding with the 25mcg cytomel and 1/2

grain NT. I started right up on 20 mgHC and then 25 the next day and now

27.5mg, so I don't think it's that I'm too low. I'm not getting the old

adrenaline feeling I used to get at all, it's more the opposite. I feel

muddied, though I was feeling improved there for a couple of days. (still do a

teeny bit, just know major things still need to be tweaked.)

And, in your other post you said you thought maybe my higher temps (which are

98.6) with thyroid still not healed - which I KNOW they could not possible be -

could be aldosterone going low? It can't be from HC? Dr. Lam (I know we don't

agree with everything he says at all) suggests HC can raise temps in a good way.

Should I go back up to .125mg aldo??

I KNOW I need to stop taking the NT, but I cannot tell you how dysfunctional and

awful I felt when I tried.. It was like I was in an underwater whirlpool trying

to function. Some major chemical or something was missing in my brain and I

double checked with this list, and I substituted the correct amount of T3. I

kept wondering if I have some sort of resistance that is making it not work for

me. Or I'm the freak who is living on T2 because I can't get T3. But, then when

I got my low cortisol labs, we figured that was the problem. And now don't want

to try this until I get my adrenals squared away.

My first thing in the morning temp this morning was 98.0. It's getting up

there!!!

Can taking T3 at bed (which I did last night) increase hot flashes? I'd had

some, which estrogen helped, but I felt like I had some again last night - or

near ones. I also take 2.5mgHC at bed, which I felt was good. Maybe I shouldn't

take the T3 at bed RIGHT NOW. I'm still worried I'm working my adrenals too

hard because I can tell how fragile they are. (The other night, my cell phone

rang and mildly startled me and I crashed after that!! I have such an

exaggerated startle response.)

Man, it takes a lot of tweaking to get this RT3, etc. issue squared away, huh?

>

> We have learned alot since doing that chapter on how to dose and raise

> HC. Liek mostly it is not a htyroi ddump we are feelgin bt adrenaline

> from raising HC too slow. I believe unles oyur FT3 is high you are in no

> danger holding the same dose whiile you start or raise HC., But whiel

> you have high Rt3 yo DO need to stop the NT as it will only give oyu

> worse symotms and a ratio of 11 is not good.

>

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

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Also want to add my temps DROPPED this morning when I checked around 11 - to 97.

And then to 98 at noon. Does this mean I can't handle the amount of T3 I'm

taking - that it's taxing my adrenals, or just that my adrenals aren't okay yet

and it's okay to keep it where it is I think I mentioned I took my normal 5pm

dose of T3 at bed to see if it would give me more energy in the a.m, which it

seemed to do, briefly. I so don't want to be counterproductive at this point!

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> > Yes I owuld up the aldosterone again. I do not think the temp increase

> > is from HC as when that happens it is due to it gettign thyroid to the

> > cells and you don't have enough T3 to get to the cells nor enough open

> > receptors due to RT3 for this to happen. I ahve seen many people wiht

> > low aldosterone have higher than normal temps due to it. Remember

> > sweating with it's resultant salt/potassium loss is how the body cools

> > itself, that cooling mechanism is not working right wiht low

> > aldosterone. I htink it is OK to stay on some NT till you get the T3 up

> > better so you dont; crash and I di suspect some T2 from that is propping

> > you until you can better make your own from the T3.

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