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Laraine:

My maiden name was Gill. I heard somewhere that all the Gill's could be

traced back to one immigrant grouping. So hey we could be distant cousins

LOL!!!!

Bridget

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Laraine:

My maiden name was Gill. I heard somewhere that all the Gill's could be

traced back to one immigrant grouping. So hey we could be distant cousins

LOL!!!!

Bridget

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> My posts are going through. Did I get kicked off?

The system is a bit slow at the moment. Yahoo! Groups was down all day

yesterday and the is a big backlog of messages from then waiting to come

thru.

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> My posts are going through. Did I get kicked off?

The system is a bit slow at the moment. Yahoo! Groups was down all day

yesterday and the is a big backlog of messages from then waiting to come

thru.

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> My posts are going through. Did I get kicked off?

The system is a bit slow at the moment. Yahoo! Groups was down all day

yesterday and the is a big backlog of messages from then waiting to come

thru.

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Hi,

I, too, went through Huggins protocal and did not get better. You

didn't say what dosage you took for dmsa and ala. You could have been

too high. Also, what are your copper levels? Another possibility is

Lyme.

One thing I really respect about Andy Cutler is that he's not so

tunnel visioned on his specialized knowledge of mercury toxicity. He

stresses getting the correct diagnosis.

However, if you reacted to chelation, I believe that is usually a

positive diagnosis. Another thing to consider, is supporting your

adrenals/thyroid first. I'm going that route myself. I've learned

alot from the folks here and alot say that supporting the adrenals is

paramount to dealing with chelation.

Regarding the low mercury levels on your hair test - it could mean

you are retaining mercury.

Keep posting here - there is a wealth of knowledge.

Val

====================

> I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed very

> high levels of Hg in the blood. I then went on to have 12 amalgams

> removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a hair

> test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and normal

> mineral analysis. I continue to be confused about this as I still

dont

> feel much better. I have tried chelation on and off but even small

> regular doses of DMSA (as per andys protocol) leave me feeling

unwell.

> I tried ALA recently and was almost bedbound for a week afterwards.

> Any ideas/suggestions welcome

>

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Hi,

I, too, went through Huggins protocal and did not get better. You

didn't say what dosage you took for dmsa and ala. You could have been

too high. Also, what are your copper levels? Another possibility is

Lyme.

One thing I really respect about Andy Cutler is that he's not so

tunnel visioned on his specialized knowledge of mercury toxicity. He

stresses getting the correct diagnosis.

However, if you reacted to chelation, I believe that is usually a

positive diagnosis. Another thing to consider, is supporting your

adrenals/thyroid first. I'm going that route myself. I've learned

alot from the folks here and alot say that supporting the adrenals is

paramount to dealing with chelation.

Regarding the low mercury levels on your hair test - it could mean

you are retaining mercury.

Keep posting here - there is a wealth of knowledge.

Val

====================

> I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed very

> high levels of Hg in the blood. I then went on to have 12 amalgams

> removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a hair

> test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and normal

> mineral analysis. I continue to be confused about this as I still

dont

> feel much better. I have tried chelation on and off but even small

> regular doses of DMSA (as per andys protocol) leave me feeling

unwell.

> I tried ALA recently and was almost bedbound for a week afterwards.

> Any ideas/suggestions welcome

>

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Hi,

I, too, went through Huggins protocal and did not get better. You

didn't say what dosage you took for dmsa and ala. You could have been

too high. Also, what are your copper levels? Another possibility is

Lyme.

One thing I really respect about Andy Cutler is that he's not so

tunnel visioned on his specialized knowledge of mercury toxicity. He

stresses getting the correct diagnosis.

However, if you reacted to chelation, I believe that is usually a

positive diagnosis. Another thing to consider, is supporting your

adrenals/thyroid first. I'm going that route myself. I've learned

alot from the folks here and alot say that supporting the adrenals is

paramount to dealing with chelation.

Regarding the low mercury levels on your hair test - it could mean

you are retaining mercury.

Keep posting here - there is a wealth of knowledge.

Val

====================

> I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed very

> high levels of Hg in the blood. I then went on to have 12 amalgams

> removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a hair

> test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and normal

> mineral analysis. I continue to be confused about this as I still

dont

> feel much better. I have tried chelation on and off but even small

> regular doses of DMSA (as per andys protocol) leave me feeling

unwell.

> I tried ALA recently and was almost bedbound for a week afterwards.

> Any ideas/suggestions welcome

>

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> I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed very

> high levels of Hg in the blood.

Was that a DMSA challenge test and did they test for Hg in blood (they

usually test urine on a challenge test).

I then went on to have 12 amalgams

> removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a hair

> test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and normal

> mineral analysis.

Did you apply Andy Cutler's counting rules to the essential minerals?

Mercury is often low in hair for people who are highly toxic because

their body is retaining /not excreting the Hg.

I continue to be confused about this as I still dont

> feel much better. I have tried chelation on and off but even small

> regular doses of DMSA (as per andys protocol) leave me feeling unwell.

What dose have you tried?

> I tried ALA recently and was almost bedbound for a week afterwards.

What dose?

> Any ideas/suggestions welcome

>

If exposure was long ago or if most of the Hg is in the brain or other

'hidden' places, then mineral transport can be orderly but the person

can still be very poisoned.

A trial of chelation confirms toxicity. That is what you have already

done.

Some people find that the dentist has left a piece of amalgam under a

crown. It would be good to be absolutely sure that all amalgam has

been removed.

Chelation is rough without the support supplements that Andy

recommends. People in this group can help you to design your

supplement strategy.

Many people need medications or hormone replacement as well to get the

body functioning properly while chelating.

Often changing the diet will help a person to feel much better while

chelating. People here can help with that too.

I did all of those things above and I still could only tolerate

extremely low doses of chelators (18 mg DMSA or DMPS, 5 mg ALA - some

people have to go even lower than that).

Best

J

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> I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed very

> high levels of Hg in the blood.

Was that a DMSA challenge test and did they test for Hg in blood (they

usually test urine on a challenge test).

I then went on to have 12 amalgams

> removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a hair

> test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and normal

> mineral analysis.

Did you apply Andy Cutler's counting rules to the essential minerals?

Mercury is often low in hair for people who are highly toxic because

their body is retaining /not excreting the Hg.

I continue to be confused about this as I still dont

> feel much better. I have tried chelation on and off but even small

> regular doses of DMSA (as per andys protocol) leave me feeling unwell.

What dose have you tried?

> I tried ALA recently and was almost bedbound for a week afterwards.

What dose?

> Any ideas/suggestions welcome

>

If exposure was long ago or if most of the Hg is in the brain or other

'hidden' places, then mineral transport can be orderly but the person

can still be very poisoned.

A trial of chelation confirms toxicity. That is what you have already

done.

Some people find that the dentist has left a piece of amalgam under a

crown. It would be good to be absolutely sure that all amalgam has

been removed.

Chelation is rough without the support supplements that Andy

recommends. People in this group can help you to design your

supplement strategy.

Many people need medications or hormone replacement as well to get the

body functioning properly while chelating.

Often changing the diet will help a person to feel much better while

chelating. People here can help with that too.

I did all of those things above and I still could only tolerate

extremely low doses of chelators (18 mg DMSA or DMPS, 5 mg ALA - some

people have to go even lower than that).

Best

J

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> I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed very

> high levels of Hg in the blood.

Was that a DMSA challenge test and did they test for Hg in blood (they

usually test urine on a challenge test).

I then went on to have 12 amalgams

> removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a hair

> test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and normal

> mineral analysis.

Did you apply Andy Cutler's counting rules to the essential minerals?

Mercury is often low in hair for people who are highly toxic because

their body is retaining /not excreting the Hg.

I continue to be confused about this as I still dont

> feel much better. I have tried chelation on and off but even small

> regular doses of DMSA (as per andys protocol) leave me feeling unwell.

What dose have you tried?

> I tried ALA recently and was almost bedbound for a week afterwards.

What dose?

> Any ideas/suggestions welcome

>

If exposure was long ago or if most of the Hg is in the brain or other

'hidden' places, then mineral transport can be orderly but the person

can still be very poisoned.

A trial of chelation confirms toxicity. That is what you have already

done.

Some people find that the dentist has left a piece of amalgam under a

crown. It would be good to be absolutely sure that all amalgam has

been removed.

Chelation is rough without the support supplements that Andy

recommends. People in this group can help you to design your

supplement strategy.

Many people need medications or hormone replacement as well to get the

body functioning properly while chelating.

Often changing the diet will help a person to feel much better while

chelating. People here can help with that too.

I did all of those things above and I still could only tolerate

extremely low doses of chelators (18 mg DMSA or DMPS, 5 mg ALA - some

people have to go even lower than that).

Best

J

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> I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed

very

> high levels of Hg in the blood. I then went on to have 12 amalgams

> removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a

hair

> test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and normal

> mineral analysis. I continue to be confused about this as I still

dont

> feel much better. I have tried chelation on and off but even small

> regular doses of DMSA (as per andys protocol) leave me feeling

unwell.

TK--- How small mg ?

> I tried ALA recently and was almost bedbound for a week

afterwards.

> Any ideas/suggestions welcome

TK--- you are Hg toxic despite the hair and mineral results. You

may need to stick with just the dmsa or dmps for awhile to reduce

body load before you can add the ala -

>

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> I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed

very

> high levels of Hg in the blood. I then went on to have 12 amalgams

> removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a

hair

> test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and normal

> mineral analysis. I continue to be confused about this as I still

dont

> feel much better. I have tried chelation on and off but even small

> regular doses of DMSA (as per andys protocol) leave me feeling

unwell.

TK--- How small mg ?

> I tried ALA recently and was almost bedbound for a week

afterwards.

> Any ideas/suggestions welcome

TK--- you are Hg toxic despite the hair and mineral results. You

may need to stick with just the dmsa or dmps for awhile to reduce

body load before you can add the ala -

>

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> I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed

very

> high levels of Hg in the blood. I then went on to have 12 amalgams

> removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a

hair

> test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and normal

> mineral analysis. I continue to be confused about this as I still

dont

> feel much better. I have tried chelation on and off but even small

> regular doses of DMSA (as per andys protocol) leave me feeling

unwell.

TK--- How small mg ?

> I tried ALA recently and was almost bedbound for a week

afterwards.

> Any ideas/suggestions welcome

TK--- you are Hg toxic despite the hair and mineral results. You

may need to stick with just the dmsa or dmps for awhile to reduce

body load before you can add the ala -

>

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The reaction to ALA says you are mercury toxic. This supplement will

not create ill effects in someone without mercury. And keep in mind

it can take the body/brain up to 30 years to clear mercury from

amalgam exposure, unless you chelate regularly. This is likely why

you feel ill still. Also, most people post amalgam experience

adrenal fatigue worse than prior to removal. And have thyroid

issues.

Really low hair mercury is not normal and indicates toxicity.

> >

> > I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed

> very

> > high levels of Hg in the blood. I then went on to have 12

amalgams

> > removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a

> hair

> > test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and normal

> > mineral analysis. I continue to be confused about this as I

still

> dont

>

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The reaction to ALA says you are mercury toxic. This supplement will

not create ill effects in someone without mercury. And keep in mind

it can take the body/brain up to 30 years to clear mercury from

amalgam exposure, unless you chelate regularly. This is likely why

you feel ill still. Also, most people post amalgam experience

adrenal fatigue worse than prior to removal. And have thyroid

issues.

Really low hair mercury is not normal and indicates toxicity.

> >

> > I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed

> very

> > high levels of Hg in the blood. I then went on to have 12

amalgams

> > removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a

> hair

> > test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and normal

> > mineral analysis. I continue to be confused about this as I

still

> dont

>

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> > > I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed

> > very

> > > high levels of Hg in the blood. I then went on to have 12

> amalgams

> > > removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a

> > hair

> > > test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and

normal

> > > mineral analysis. I continue to be confused about this as I

> still

> > dont

> >

>

Thanks for all your replies

I have got as low as 50mg of DMSA and 30mg of ALA. So maybe i should

try lower. I am confused about the DMSA. Surely after two and half

years there shouldnt be much mercury to mobilse in the blood and

urine should there? Copper levels at the time of last hair analysis

were quite high (above the 97th percentile). What is Lymes and how

would you know if youve got it?

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> > > I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed

> > very

> > > high levels of Hg in the blood. I then went on to have 12

> amalgams

> > > removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a

> > hair

> > > test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and

normal

> > > mineral analysis. I continue to be confused about this as I

> still

> > dont

> >

>

Thanks for all your replies

I have got as low as 50mg of DMSA and 30mg of ALA. So maybe i should

try lower. I am confused about the DMSA. Surely after two and half

years there shouldnt be much mercury to mobilse in the blood and

urine should there? Copper levels at the time of last hair analysis

were quite high (above the 97th percentile). What is Lymes and how

would you know if youve got it?

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> > >

> > > I had a DMSA test around two and a half years ago which showed

> > very

> > > high levels of Hg in the blood. I then went on to have 12

> amalgams

> > > removed as per Huggins protocol. About 10 months later I had a

> > hair

> > > test analysis which showed up hardly any mercury 0.16 and

normal

> > > mineral analysis. I continue to be confused about this as I

> still

> > dont

> >

>

Thanks for all your replies

I have got as low as 50mg of DMSA and 30mg of ALA. So maybe i should

try lower. I am confused about the DMSA. Surely after two and half

years there shouldnt be much mercury to mobilse in the blood and

urine should there? Copper levels at the time of last hair analysis

were quite high (above the 97th percentile). What is Lymes and how

would you know if youve got it?

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  • 2 years later...

At 11:28 AM 12/8/2008, you wrote:

How do people

manage?

Jodi,

This is where you need to think outside the box. Or inside an insulated

box, maybe.

I don't blame you for wanting to eat all cold food all day. I have been

there, I have done that, and I have NOT enjoyed it! <g>

You aren't currently doing eggs, are you?

What about avocados?

Basically, what you need is a pair of small insulated bags. In one, you

put some blue ice, and the cold food, plus whatever beverages you want.

In the other, you put some hot packs, and containers of hot, nourishing

stew. (Another option would be to have several stainless steel thermoses

into which you put the cold or the hot food.)

Your food may not be completely hot or completely cold, but it will be

palatable.

—

Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

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Marilyn..

> This is where you need to think outside the box.

> Or inside an insulated box, maybe.

Yeah.. made me laugh..

> You aren't currently doing eggs, are you?

No.

> What about avocados?

Wanted to try it either today or tomorrow- I'm pretty picky about

avo's they've gotta be prefect-o.

> Basically, what you need is a pair of small

> insulated bags. In one, you put some blue ice,

> and the cold food, plus whatever beverages you

> want. In the other, you put some hot packs, and

> containers of hot, nourishing stew. (Another

> option would be to have several stainless steel

> thermoses into which you put the cold or the hot food.)

I need to buy some thermoses.. I think this will make it much better

and is a very good solution.

> Your food may not be completely hot or completely

> cold, but it will be palatable.

>

That is what I am looking for. I just get depressed forcing myself to

eat yucky dry food. It totally bums me out.

Jodi

SCD 14 months

Crohn's/Colitis

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No I don't use it in conjunction with it and it is a different setting on

the meter. It toggles between control mode and test mode.

I found out that the control solution is very expensive. Maybe that is why

my brother says he doesn't bother with it. He still has to pay half of the

cost of his strips and stuff because the insurance pays only half. I will

get all of it covered if they ever get their act together with the

authorizations. That's why I went ahead and ordered a supply and it will be

here on Monday.

I guess I got frustrated by trying a number of times and nothing happened.

So I did a control test with the same strip that would not respond and it

worked perfectly.

Testing

>

> > Even when you can see as I can. I joined the group for Lora you can

> have

> > lots of problems with the strips. I don't know about the Prodigy meters

> > and test strips. I would guess they are more user friendly for the

> blind.

> >

> > With the ones that Boyd and I uses (we are both diabetic) the strips

> are

> > so sensitive. This is true of the strips with different meters that we

> > have had. You have to have enough blood but also it you get to much

> blood

> > on that will cause an error and the strips will not not work. If you

> touch

> > the testing spot with your finger the strip will not work. The strips

> are

> > so expensive my insurance will not pay for mine because I'm not on

> > insulin, was suppose to go on it and then there was a newer drug

> Janumet

> > (and with going to a specialist) I got on and didn't have to. Boyd is

> on

> > insulin so is partially covered. With some of the strips anymore you

> put

> > the blood on the side. We had such a hard time learning how to get the

> > blood right on strips for one of the meters. We were actually getting

> to

> > much blood on it. We were not getting the the strips angled right

> either

> > to let the blood drop go into the little area. We were used to the old

> > ones. Most meters anymore takes a very small amount of blood but you

> have

> > to get it in there just so. If you have problems getting the blood out

> I

> > would just try rubbing my hands and fingers tips, actually you would be

> > best to let your arm hang down and rub it from the elbow down and then

> > toward the wrist and then your hand and fingers for circulation. You

> can

> > test anymore on your arm and other places also but only the finger

> gives

> > you the truest reading. . You might need to have your son come over and

> do

> > a couple of reading in a row with you just teaching you how you have to

> > have the meter and strip held to get the blood on it. You might be

> > getting way more blood out then you know. Have your son show you this

> > with the new strips.

> >

> > Patty

> >

> >

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No I don't use it in conjunction with it and it is a different setting on

the meter. It toggles between control mode and test mode.

I found out that the control solution is very expensive. Maybe that is why

my brother says he doesn't bother with it. He still has to pay half of the

cost of his strips and stuff because the insurance pays only half. I will

get all of it covered if they ever get their act together with the

authorizations. That's why I went ahead and ordered a supply and it will be

here on Monday.

I guess I got frustrated by trying a number of times and nothing happened.

So I did a control test with the same strip that would not respond and it

worked perfectly.

Testing

>

> > Even when you can see as I can. I joined the group for Lora you can

> have

> > lots of problems with the strips. I don't know about the Prodigy meters

> > and test strips. I would guess they are more user friendly for the

> blind.

> >

> > With the ones that Boyd and I uses (we are both diabetic) the strips

> are

> > so sensitive. This is true of the strips with different meters that we

> > have had. You have to have enough blood but also it you get to much

> blood

> > on that will cause an error and the strips will not not work. If you

> touch

> > the testing spot with your finger the strip will not work. The strips

> are

> > so expensive my insurance will not pay for mine because I'm not on

> > insulin, was suppose to go on it and then there was a newer drug

> Janumet

> > (and with going to a specialist) I got on and didn't have to. Boyd is

> on

> > insulin so is partially covered. With some of the strips anymore you

> put

> > the blood on the side. We had such a hard time learning how to get the

> > blood right on strips for one of the meters. We were actually getting

> to

> > much blood on it. We were not getting the the strips angled right

> either

> > to let the blood drop go into the little area. We were used to the old

> > ones. Most meters anymore takes a very small amount of blood but you

> have

> > to get it in there just so. If you have problems getting the blood out

> I

> > would just try rubbing my hands and fingers tips, actually you would be

> > best to let your arm hang down and rub it from the elbow down and then

> > toward the wrist and then your hand and fingers for circulation. You

> can

> > test anymore on your arm and other places also but only the finger

> gives

> > you the truest reading. . You might need to have your son come over and

> do

> > a couple of reading in a row with you just teaching you how you have to

> > have the meter and strip held to get the blood on it. You might be

> > getting way more blood out then you know. Have your son show you this

> > with the new strips.

> >

> > Patty

> >

> >

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Washing your hands in really warm water helps the blood come out easier.

Judy

Testing

Even when you can see as I can. I joined the group for Lora you can have lots

of problems with the strips. I don't know about the Prodigy meters and test

strips. I would guess they are more user friendly for the blind.

With the ones that Boyd and I uses (we are both diabetic) the strips are so

sensitive. This is true of the strips with different meters that we have had.

You have to have enough blood but also it you get to much blood on that will

cause an error and the strips will not not work. If you touch the testing spot

with your finger the strip will not work. The strips are so expensive my

insurance will not pay for mine because I'm not on insulin, was suppose to go on

it and then there was a newer drug Janumet (and with going to a specialist) I

got on and didn't have to. Boyd is on insulin so is partially covered. With some

of the strips anymore you put the blood on the side. We had such a hard time

learning how to get the blood right on strips for one of the meters. We were

actually getting to much blood on it. We were not getting the the strips angled

right either to let the blood drop go into the little area. We were used to the

old ones. Most meters anymore takes a very small amount of blood but you have to

get it in there just so. If you have problems getting the blood out I would just

try rubbing my hands and fingers tips, actually you would be best to let your

arm hang down and rub it from the elbow down and then toward the wrist and then

your hand and fingers for circulation. You can test anymore on your arm and

other places also but only the finger gives you the truest reading. . You might

need to have your son come over and do a couple of reading in a row with you

just teaching you how you have to have the meter and strip held to get the blood

on it. You might be getting way more blood out then you know. Have your son show

you this with the new strips.

Patty

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Washing your hands in really warm water helps the blood come out easier.

Judy

Testing

Even when you can see as I can. I joined the group for Lora you can have lots

of problems with the strips. I don't know about the Prodigy meters and test

strips. I would guess they are more user friendly for the blind.

With the ones that Boyd and I uses (we are both diabetic) the strips are so

sensitive. This is true of the strips with different meters that we have had.

You have to have enough blood but also it you get to much blood on that will

cause an error and the strips will not not work. If you touch the testing spot

with your finger the strip will not work. The strips are so expensive my

insurance will not pay for mine because I'm not on insulin, was suppose to go on

it and then there was a newer drug Janumet (and with going to a specialist) I

got on and didn't have to. Boyd is on insulin so is partially covered. With some

of the strips anymore you put the blood on the side. We had such a hard time

learning how to get the blood right on strips for one of the meters. We were

actually getting to much blood on it. We were not getting the the strips angled

right either to let the blood drop go into the little area. We were used to the

old ones. Most meters anymore takes a very small amount of blood but you have to

get it in there just so. If you have problems getting the blood out I would just

try rubbing my hands and fingers tips, actually you would be best to let your

arm hang down and rub it from the elbow down and then toward the wrist and then

your hand and fingers for circulation. You can test anymore on your arm and

other places also but only the finger gives you the truest reading. . You might

need to have your son come over and do a couple of reading in a row with you

just teaching you how you have to have the meter and strip held to get the blood

on it. You might be getting way more blood out then you know. Have your son show

you this with the new strips.

Patty

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