Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 >TSH <0.05 (0.4-5.0) >Free T4 5 (9-19) >Free T3 5.1 (2.6-5.7) They look good. That's all about where you want it and RT3 should be sinking nicely > Had you taken any T3 the morning of the blood draw? >Ferritin 45 > Low as you know >Needless to say I have had to make an appointment to see my doctor cos the TSH is outside the range as is the T4. That's the idea of going T3 only getting those two where they are! > >Apart from the ferritin do these results suggest any reason why I cannot tolerate much T3 and don't appear to need a lot more going by symptoms too. They seem to be enough T3 as long as you don't have resistance, are you feeling hypo, how are temperatures and pulse? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 > > >TSH <0.05 (0.4-5.0) > >Free T4 5 (9-19) > >Free T3 5.1 (2.6-5.7) > > They look good. That's all about where you want it and RT3 should be > sinking nicely > > > Had you taken any T3 the morning of the blood draw? > > >Ferritin 45 > > > Low as you know > > >Needless to say I have had to make an appointment to see my doctor cos the TSH is outside the range as is the T4. > > That's the idea of going T3 only getting those two where they are! > > > >Apart from the ferritin do these results suggest any reason why I cannot tolerate much T3 and don't appear to need a lot more going by symptoms too. > > They seem to be enough T3 as long as you don't have resistance, are > you feeling hypo, how are temperatures and pulse? > > Nick > Hi Nick That's the highest ferritin I have ever had in my life and I am almost 62! My temperatures haven't moved up at all stayed the same which is around 36.3 but basal is sometimes as low as 35.9 or more usually 36.1 or 36.2. Unfortunately I cannot take any thyroid meds at night or evening cos it affects my sleep badly. Extra h/c also does this to me so I have to take my last dose of meds around 6 pm and cannot change this so I think I have to accept I am always feeling hypo first thing but I used to be feeling better around 9 am but never able to do anything more than shower and then do sitting tasks. My pulse has stayed the same around 72-76 and I feel best when it is about that. Its strange to me that I didn't ever get a sense of wellbeing until I added in the half grain ERFA, it seems such a tiny amount but has made a big difference. Does the very surpressed TSH matter at all? Its gone for 5.3 to <0.05 since November. Will post the Reverse T3 when it comes in later in the week. My diagnosis is ME/CFS and I do wonder if there is something else going on and will probably have the test for the new retrovirus XMRV which they have found in quite a high proportion of ME/CFS people. It might explain why I don't seem to follow the norm although of course it could well be the ferritin issue that is doing this and that would be wonderful. Thanks for your help Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 >That's the highest ferritin I have ever had in my life and I am almost 62! > >My temperatures haven't moved up at all stayed the same which is around 36.3 but basal is sometimes as low as 35.9 or more usually 36.1 or 36.2. Unfortunately I cannot take any thyroid meds at night or evening cos it affects my sleep badly. Have you tried this with T3 or only with Natural?? I couldn't take Natural after 2pm without upsetting sleep but with T3 an " as I turn the light out " dose has greatley improved sleep quality. Taking it 30 mins before I try to sleep wakes me up, the timing is important. Keep on with that iron, things are nearly at the point where they will get better. Getting those temperatures up will make a big difference. Are you on any adrenal support?? Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 > > >That's the highest ferritin I have ever had in my life and I am almost 62! > > > >My temperatures haven't moved up at all stayed the same which is around 36.3 but basal is sometimes as low as 35.9 or more usually 36.1 or 36.2. Unfortunately I cannot take any thyroid meds at night or evening cos it affects my sleep badly. > > Have you tried this with T3 or only with Natural?? ......Yes I react just as strongly to even 6.2 T3 with overstimulation 2 - 3 hours later, has happened very frequently for me but is better now I have dropped down to 12. 5, 1/2 grain, 6.2 and 6.2 as my doses. This is when I have felt better with LESS T3, body cannot tolerate more even though its 6 weeks down the line. > > I couldn't take Natural after 2pm without upsetting sleep but with T3 > an " as I turn the light out " dose has greatley improved sleep quality. > Taking it 30 mins before I try to sleep wakes me up, the timing is > important. > > Keep on with that iron, things are nearly at the point where they will > get better. > > Getting those temperatures up will make a big difference. > > Are you on any adrenal support?? .........Yes I am on 2.5 mg Pred taken twice daily cos that suits me best with an added 2.5 h/c on waking and sometimes I need a very small amount of extra h/c early evening if it has been a busy day. I never did well on just h/c, runs out much too quickly in my body. There must be some inflammation in my body cos I can feel this if on h/c or cut steroid down too much but it goes away completely with the total of 5mg Pred. > Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 > >.....Yes I react just as strongly to even 6.2 T3 with overstimulation 2 - 3 hours later, has happened very frequently for me but is better now I have dropped down to 1 Suggestion, is this " late night T3 " causing cortisol to drop so low that adrenaline gets produced instead?? That would explain the delayed reaction you are getting. The direct effect of teh T3 will peak in 30 minutes and be sinking after 2 to 3 hours. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 > > > > >.....Yes I react just as strongly to even 6.2 T3 with overstimulation 2 - 3 hours later, has happened very frequently for me but is better now I have dropped down to 1 > > Suggestion, is this " late night T3 " causing cortisol to drop so low > that adrenaline gets produced instead?? > > That would explain the delayed reaction you are getting. > > The direct effect of teh T3 will peak in 30 minutes and be sinking > after 2 to 3 hours. > > Nick > Hi Nick I have to say that with me the T3 seems to peak after 2-3 hours it happens regularly that I get episodes of high blood pressure about 3 hours after taking the last dose and don't feel well until I take a small amount of betablocker which helps me to feel better. It happens whether I go down on the steroid dose or if I take more so it cannot be pure adrenal its to do with the T3. Also I have found that if I take a bit of h/c on going to bed I still get an overreaction of adrenaline which keeps me awake makes me sweat a bit and cannot sleep. The only way around this I have found is a tiny bit of Rivortril which is clonazaan. It happens about once a week on average and its when I am overtired that it happens so I am going to try and ensure that when I am too tired in an evening I take a dose of h/c then even if it sends me to sleep for a bit rather than waiting and thinking I will be ok. Bedtime has been a problem for me for 10 years since my diagnosis of ME/CFS. It didn't really improve much until last year when I took a mixture of 1 1/2 grains ARmour plus 12.5T3 plus the usual steroid dose of 2.5mg Pred x 2 plus 2.5 h/c x2 however it would still happen from time to time. Do you think the low ferritin could have been causing my inability to go very high on the thyroid meds at any time in the past 8 years? Ferritin was actualy 45 on my last test and that was 2 days with no iron tablets. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 OK here are my latest Saliva cortisol results. Got them yesterday. The morning is still a little low but there is a little improvement the rest of the day as compared to my previous saliva test from 9/9/2009. I want to know if you guys think I am now ready to switch to Natural Dessicated Thyroid? I have a botle of Erfa's Thyroid 1 grain (500 tablets). What do you think? My Reverse T3 is now cleared out pretty much (see previous post) It was 340 before and now it is 65. My iron is 58. My naturepath doctor says he wants to have the compounding pharmacy make me a compounded (natural dessicated thyroid) T4/T3 product. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/rawcat/CortisolResults022010.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 MORNING: 4.5 (NORMAL RANGE: 3.7-9.5) NOON: 2.5 (NORMAL RANGE: 1.2-3.0) EVENING: 0.8 (NORMAL RANGE: 0.6-1.9) NIGHT: 0.4 (NORMAL RANGE: 0.4-1.0) HOW MUCH ISOCORT SHOULD I TAKE NOW before starting T3 Cynomel only? Currently not taking anything except Slow Release T3 only crap that makes me sooooooo HYPO. Thanks. > OK here are my latest Saliva cortisol results. Got them yesterday. The morning is still a little low but there is a little improvement the rest of the day as compared to my previous saliva test from 9/9/2009. > > I want to know if you guys think I am now ready to switch to Natural Dessicated Thyroid? I have a botle of Erfa's Thyroid 1 grain (500 tablets). What do you think? My Reverse T3 is now cleared out pretty much (see previous post) It was 340 before and now it is 65. My iron is 58. My naturepath doctor says he wants to have the compounding pharmacy make me a compounded (natural dessicated thyroid) T4/T3 product. > > > http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/rawcat/CortisolResults022010.jpg > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 MORNING: 4.5 (NORMAL RANGE: 3.7-9.5) 3 pellets NOON: 2.5 (NORMAL RANGE: 1.2-3.0) 2 Pellets EVENING: 0.8 (NORMAL RANGE: 0.6-1.9) 1 pellet NIGHT: 0.4 (NORMAL RANGE: 0.4-1.0) 1 Pellet This is how I woudl start Isocort to try to correct thi sslight imbalance. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Thank you very much . Now, should I start with these doses all at once or gradually work up to it increasing by 1 or 2 pellets each week? > > MORNING: 4.5 (NORMAL RANGE: 3.7-9.5) 3 pellets > > NOON: 2.5 (NORMAL RANGE: 1.2-3.0) 2 Pellets > > EVENING: 0.8 (NORMAL RANGE: 0.6-1.9) 1 pellet > > NIGHT: 0.4 (NORMAL RANGE: 0.4-1.0) 1 Pellet > > This is how I woudl start Isocort to try to correct thi sslight imbalance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I would start it all at once a soon as you take the first dose it changes the rythm for the WHOLE day so you need to follow throuhg. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 OK great thanks Val. > > I would start it all at once a soon as you take the first dose it > changes the rythm for the WHOLE day so you need to follow throuhg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 I want to switch to regular T3. I just got my order of Mexican Cynomel 25 mcg tablets yesterday. I will try to switch from Slow release T3, which I've been on for the last 3 months taking 37.5 mcg/day that's been 22.5 mcg in the morning and 15 mcg evening, which got rid of my high RT3 (good) but has left me very hypo (bad)! I plan to start with 25 mcg split into 4 at first per Nick's suggestions (that would translate to 6.25 mcg every 4 hours?). Should I wait a few days since I just started the Isocort today before starting the Cynomel? Or can I start tomorrow morning right away? Thanks . > > MORNING: 4.5 (NORMAL RANGE: 3.7-9.5) 3 pellets > > NOON: 2.5 (NORMAL RANGE: 1.2-3.0) 2 Pellets > > EVENING: 0.8 (NORMAL RANGE: 0.6-1.9) 1 pellet > > NIGHT: 0.4 (NORMAL RANGE: 0.4-1.0) 1 Pellet > > This is how I woudl start Isocort to try to correct thi sslight imbalance. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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